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Old 18th Nov 2010, 15:15
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Just for the record, Ryanair have only pulled 1 daily flight out of 4, hardly a full scale pull out is it
13 per week is (just under) two per day.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 15:25
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My apologies, I didnt check properly, but it seems to be 2 daily every day, but 3 daily some days. For example:


12/6/11 shows FR553 FR555 FR557, so it seems to vary.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:19
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My apologies, I didnt check properly, but it seems to be 2 daily every day, but 3 daily some days.
As my post earlier (#827) said 17 per week (ie two per day with three every Monday, Friday and Sunday).

Currently its 30 per week, which is where the drop of 13 per week comes in.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:42
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I see now dwlpl, I think it was just a communication error, I thought you were saying there would be 13 services per week, not a reduction of 13 services.

The point being anyway, Ryanair are not pulling out of MAN as rapidman suggested, even if it is quite a large reduction.

Like has been said before, its down to the Irish tax, not an issue with MAN so not a lot we can do about it really.

With a large EI presence with competative fares, and still up to 3 daily RYR services, its hardly the end of the world.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:42
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Manchester should have told them to shove their dublin route when they axed the rest, if they want to GO just GO.... no big loss is it really. and all the people having a laugh at this....GROW UP
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:50
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My take on FR/MAN is that FR are playing MAN a merry tune.

MAN will eventually dance to it and FR will go back but on (or very near to) FR's terms.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:59
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I doubt it, MAN doesnt need RYR at all.

All routes RYR would offer from MAN are already served (HHN/FRA, CRL/BRU, REU/BCN etc)

With the fares and frequencies EI offer, RYR are not needed and the fares of RYR at LPL would have to be 0 for pax to transfer across
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:07
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Rapidman you talk absolute rubbish mate. First of all, by MAN's 3rd birthday there will be 6 based aircraft. Granted this expansion has not been as quick as other bases in previous years but the reason for this can be explained very easily. First and foremost, the rate of aircraft deliveries has been slowing down. Secondly, and the first point compounds this, the Continental bases are currently more profitable than the UK bases other than LGW. This means that MAN has had to compete for aircraft as opposed to being given them blank cheque style. This is one of the reasons why EMA was closed, to feed MAN.

MAN, as a base, has pioneered the long distance network. On the day of the actual GB takeover Easy inherited MAN-TFS, MAN-HER and MAN-PFO smashing the previous "3 hour ethos". Not only have these flights become very lucrative they have also spearheaded an increase in "mid haul" flying right across the network. Furthermore, MAN earns alot of onboard revenue.......the most out of all the bases no less.

MAN has never been on the critical list, performance has always been good. It just hasn't seen the fast expansion that everyone anticipated and i've covered the reasons why. Even so, from a few of routes and 1 based aircraft to 22 routes and 6 aircraft by it's 3rd Birthday, MAN is successful and will be the only UK base other than LGW to see real expansion in the near/mid term future.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:17
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In terms of Easyjet, to Quote Carolyn McCall in a very recent financial times article:

We continue to invest in in our Manchester base with a mix of business and leisure routes.....

.....Capacity was reduced across the UK regions by 6.3% with only Manchester showing any significant growth.

I think this sums up the fact Easyjet wont be going anywhere anytime soon. As easyflyer has said, MAN has never been on a critical list, its just rapidman winding people up.

Maybe the sucess of easyjet at MAN is making him paraniod?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:45
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No I just like winding up all you Andy Cap people gives me a laugh in my old age. but there is truth in what i say take heed from an insider not all employed staff know everything
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:53
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but there is truth in what i say take heed from an insider not all employed staff know everything

Seriously, rapidman, give it up.

If that post is in reference to easyjet (as thats been your main bone of contention for a while), The CEO HERSELF has stated investment will continue at MAN, check the ACTUAL quote below, and personally Id rather believe her than the rantings of some old man whos obviously got a MAN sized chip on his shoulder.

Easyjet are doing well at MAN, they will continue to grow so get over it.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:53
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Any news on Terminal moves, such as U2 to T2, KL to T3 and so on?

Are there any works going on at T3 right now? Last time I was there the route from Security to departure hall seemed very narrow and the BA gate is right in the middle. Is this permanent?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:58
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The facts and figures speaks for themselves. Since when do airlines expand at a base only to close it. When MAN starts to lose aircraft then perhaps we can all indulge in your rain cloud of doom but if the base is doing so bad then introducing new aircraft, at however slow a rate, is like throwing good money after bad.

Quite often, staff find out at the same time as everyone else but they certainly don't leak it to the spotters first.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 18:01
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Brian, no news yet. U2 moving out of T3 is a possibility but nothing concrete as yet. U2 aren't necassarilly unhappy with T3 but if KL made the move then I think they would switch. T3 can become very busy at times from check in to ramp space...particularly overnight.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 18:04
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Aer Lingus/Aer Arann are to increase MAN - SNN again from end of March.

Flights will be 2 daily except 1 on Sat.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 18:10
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Any news on Terminal moves, such as U2 to T2, KL to T3 and so on?
No further moves at present are planned I believe. Logic would dictate that KLM would move over to T3 in time to be with their partner AirFrance. If no further expansion of T3 takes place, then Easyjet will certainly out grow the terminal by the 6th or 7th based aircraft. Question is, where else to go. T2, unless expanded would be unable to cope with U2 schedule during the peak summer months unless they fancy lots of remote stand boarding.

Are there any works going on at T3 right now? Last time I was there the route from Security to departure hall seemed very narrow and the BA gate is right in the middle. Is this permanent?
T3 is currently been remodeled in a similar, if not smaller fashion to what was done to T1, i.e, from security straight through duty free. The narrow route you mention looks likely to remain though which is a pain when an aircraft that uses an airbridge arrives at stand 41 meaning you have to cordon off the main throughfare until all passengers have disembarked.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 18:34
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The speculation is that any Easyjet move to T2 will use the ground floor check in desks. Easyjet at 6 or 7 aircraft, IMO, would be able to use T2 in it's current form. Assuming KL move, next Summer in T2 there will be no KL or OK nightstoppers plus most Easyjet flights will have departed or be departing by the time most of the Transatlantics arrive. Any other U2 arrivals/departures will be few and far between until when Lunchtime/afternoon when there is likely to be 3 or 4 aircraft down at once or close to each other ay which point DL, VS, SQ, US etc have departed or ready to do so.

Anything above 7 will definitely require the said expansion but that goes for all three terminals.

As I say, Easyjet aren't unhappy with T3 and I even get the impression that they want to stay there but they are concerned with the space at the terminal and that is why it is still a possibility.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 18:43
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Since when do airlines expand at a base only to close it.
BA anyone?

Anyway back to the rumours. Whats all this I hear about Flybe taking over ALL the Air France regional routes and eventually also taking ALL the KLM stuff too?

No AF or KL at MAN? Been around for a long time.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 18:54
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Going to have to get some bigger aircraft as KLM all B737 now and expanding to 6 a
day

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Old 18th Nov 2010, 19:24
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Turin I don't believe BA expanded MAN whilst plotting a pull out simultaneously were they? Thats the point I was getting at.

And the Af/KL/BE rumour? Do you mean taking over Regional, Brit Air and CityHopper?
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