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Old 18th Nov 2010, 09:25
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Interesting to hear about Ryanair, I was under the impression that Manchester was a high yielding route for them.

Guess then Aer Lingus will be happy as will attract them more passengers.

Last time I went MAN-DUB EI was a cheaper option anyway.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 09:29
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Ryanair will keep the Dublin route at three/four per day just to keep the slots if nothing else.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 10:34
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MAN-DUB is one of Ryanairs top 10 profitable routes, hence they wernt pulled when Ryanair had their tiff at MAN.

Is this pull out the same as the 'easyjet will leave MAN, mark my words' thing from months ago when they actually expanded services?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 10:45
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MAN-DUB is one of Ryanairs top 10 profitable routes
Ryanair don't make that information public, also things can change massively over weeks in the business. Having seen some of the "low cost" prices on some routes, I'd be surprised if MAN-DUB was in the top ten. Having said that I doubt they'd drop it. Best analogy is Gatwick, and they're expanding there even though they are having to pay to fly from the airport and it's pretty congested much of the time.
Clearly Ryanair still want a piece of that pie.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 11:26
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Ryanair don't make that information public, also things can change massively over weeks in the business.
I've tried to find the link but to no avail. They did release their top ten routes a while ago and Manchester - Dublin was definitely in there.

As you say though, these routes will change all the time but look at all major airports/metropolis regions that Ryanair operates into - not one (apart from MAN!) has only one route. Cost wise it isn't worth just having one route...unless...it's one of your star performers.

Remember the route is only a few hundred miles long therefore costs won't be too high plus their benefits of economies of scale in DUB...

Just a thought but if anyone can find that link it would be interesting!
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 11:49
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Cost wise it isn't worth just having one route...unless...it's one of your star performers.
Oh come now. That's really not the case in the industry at all. Is Manchester now the only airport in the whole of Ryanair that is served as a spoke from a base? If so that's a shame. I know easyJet are happy to serve single route airports.

They did release their top ten routes a while ago and Manchester - Dublin was definitely in there.
Was it by volume or profitability?
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MAN-DUB is one of Ryanairs top 10 profitable routes
If thats the case why have they dropped down to the published frequency of 17 per week from the current 30?.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 12:07
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pg 58 of the 2010 Annual report.

Manchester-Dublin was 4th.

No podium finish then
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 12:19
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Was it by volume or profitability?

Manchester-Dublin was 4th

So its by volume and not profitability.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 12:23
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By volume, to be in the top 10 is still good considering how many routes RYR operate.

Either way, they will not be pulling out of MAN any time soon. Rapidman47 is just a wind up merchant who seems not to have any viable sources/links anyway.

Like I say, Im still waiting to mark his words on easyjet pulling out of MAN (who have since added 2 units to the MAN base), and these routes to the carribean, far east and South America that LPL is supposed to be getting
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 13:23
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wanna_be_there said
MAN-DUB is one of Ryanairs top 10 profitable routes
So to be clear, we can't say this at all. Volume means nothing to Ryanair if the aircraft can do the same work for more revenue elsewhere. I suspect that Ireland being on the verge of economic collapse might have more to do with it than anything at the MAN end.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:06
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wanabe I never said easy would pull Man I did say at the tims they wernt happy with it there is a diff .
and about ryanair pulling eat your words here is the link Ryanair to axe some Dublin routes next year - RTÉ News the news item says a reduction but mol says a full pull out
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:13
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I do apologise as I rember reading the report long ago, seeing MAN in a top 10 list and assuming it was the money making routes.

It seems RYR are cutting down the MAN route, but when EI offers such good fares and more frequencies, its not such a loss.

In other news, it seems a few different people at the airport are being told that:

EY are 'expanding operations' next year, but dont forget they are getting shiney new cargo aircraft soon so, it could be cargo expansion.

Jet airways arriving April 2011 (BOM tranfer figures are up on the DXB/FRA routes, so maybe they want a piece of the pie). Jet have already set up a ground station at MAN for diversions, maybe this is the next step?

Theres also a rumour that PHL could be going double daily for the summer 2011 season (seasonal upgrade?). The MAN-PHL route does very well, its an A333, has business contracts attached and loads usually hover around the 85-95% mark. Maybe this upgrade will use a B757 (if there are any spare)

They also say EL AL are comming may 2011, but personally I dont know about that one, as Im sure I read an article from the EL AL CEO stating that the Dynamics wernt quite right for a MAN route (jet2 however, have increased to 3 weekly long since that article, so maybe its causing EL AL to change their minds?)

ANyone heard anything more?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:15
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I note the important word 'might' in your attension seeking
blurb......my how they ran with it!!

Well done you!

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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:19
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No .....but I know where you got this info from - perhaps its time to
'tip your hat ?

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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:25
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yep, the info is off another forum mickyman, but no harm asking here, as you never know, someone may know something?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:34
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Volume means nothing to Ryanair
Up until recently this was Ryanair's philosophy. It was their number one rule. Now as they slow on expansion and look towards revenue per passenger this will change.

Unless an order for 300 aircraft is placed in the near future which looks likely...
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 14:57
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wanabe I never said easy would pull Man

Rapidman, post 1802 manchester 7 thread:

Easy pulling the plug

Post 1562 on the same thread:

On another point If Manchester want to keep Easyjet they must lower their landing fees

Post 1814:

You will soon see I am right on both counts, so lets wait and see who is right shall we

Suffering from that memory loss are we?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 15:08
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Just for the record, Ryanair have only pulled 1 daily flight out of 4, hardly a full scale pull out is it
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 15:14
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Suffering from that memory loss are we?
the old grey cells not what they used to be but there again it was not the news item but mol himself that said it would be a full pull out.
and on the easy jet topic I said they where not happy with Man dont you think their failure to put more planes there more or less proves this I REST MY CASE POINT PROVEN

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