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EK also get my support when I have my business head on because I have a limo to pick me up, a super lounge at MAN and instant comfort throughout the flight. Fantastic transfer terminal, continuing comfort on second flight and limo at the other end, basically sheer pleasure to fly with.
If I go BA Business or club or whatever they call it these days I am one of the SLF until boarding the wide body at LHR having endured the shuttle scrum down and inter terminal transfers (T5 to T3 for AUZ). Then a seriously long flight to Singapore or Bangkok where you are turfed off for a compulsory leg stretch, then back on again for another long flight.
In all 3 flights with BA and 2 flights of luxury with EK
That is why I am not loyal to LHR and BA and would never use that route by choice.
EK wins hands down every time.
And I would also go as far as to tell everyone of that fact, an example being a friend of mine was taking his family to AUZ and NZ on holiday, his travel agents were determined to push him through LHR with One World. Before he booked he asked my opinion and I told him my views on the matter, guess what an entire happy family went via DXB. Thats people power in action.
If I go BA Business or club or whatever they call it these days I am one of the SLF until boarding the wide body at LHR having endured the shuttle scrum down and inter terminal transfers (T5 to T3 for AUZ). Then a seriously long flight to Singapore or Bangkok where you are turfed off for a compulsory leg stretch, then back on again for another long flight.
In all 3 flights with BA and 2 flights of luxury with EK
That is why I am not loyal to LHR and BA and would never use that route by choice.
EK wins hands down every time.
And I would also go as far as to tell everyone of that fact, an example being a friend of mine was taking his family to AUZ and NZ on holiday, his travel agents were determined to push him through LHR with One World. Before he booked he asked my opinion and I told him my views on the matter, guess what an entire happy family went via DXB. Thats people power in action.
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Re FlyBe anouncment
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I'm sure we had a debate on here a week ago that Glasgow had best domestic network in UK....!
hmmmm well maybe not !
Flybe | Corporate | Media | News archives
I'm sure we had a debate on here a week ago that Glasgow had best domestic network in UK....!
hmmmm well maybe not !
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Mr.Bloggs
I note where you reside.....and it all fits ! BA is not a flag carrier.
Skipness
Are there any democratic Arab states....no
Would you have a problem with Air India or JAL or Lufthansa expanding
on the Emirates scale ? How about United or AA ?
'The Gulf carriers have focusses on Manchester and the UK for very particular cultural and political reasons much of which has little to do with commercial profit and loss.' - Please explain this statement.
MM
I note where you reside.....and it all fits ! BA is not a flag carrier.
Skipness
Are there any democratic Arab states....no
Would you have a problem with Air India or JAL or Lufthansa expanding
on the Emirates scale ? How about United or AA ?
'The Gulf carriers have focusses on Manchester and the UK for very particular cultural and political reasons much of which has little to do with commercial profit and loss.' - Please explain this statement.
MM
Much closer to home - within the EU - I recount my experiences today at the hands of BA:
Journey MAN-LHR-LIS (For reasons best known to themselves, TP do not fly MAN/LIS on Thursdays).
Shuttle to LHR - on time departure - arrival slightly ahead of schedule. Walk about 1/4 of a mile around T5 to reach the transfer bus to T3, (because not all BA departures are from T5!) which takes about 15 mins. Departure gate comes up (eventually) in T3, and we are sent down to a bussing gate, where the bus completely circumnavigates the building we have just left, (they've got the builders in, you see), before heading off towards the aircraft. The A320 requires three buses to take the passengers there, but pushes back on time.
Alternatives were KLM ( ridiculously expensive) LH (silly routings) and SN (poor connections). EZY starts its direct service fom LPL in a few weeks - thank God!
Journey MAN-LHR-LIS (For reasons best known to themselves, TP do not fly MAN/LIS on Thursdays).
Shuttle to LHR - on time departure - arrival slightly ahead of schedule. Walk about 1/4 of a mile around T5 to reach the transfer bus to T3, (because not all BA departures are from T5!) which takes about 15 mins. Departure gate comes up (eventually) in T3, and we are sent down to a bussing gate, where the bus completely circumnavigates the building we have just left, (they've got the builders in, you see), before heading off towards the aircraft. The A320 requires three buses to take the passengers there, but pushes back on time.
Alternatives were KLM ( ridiculously expensive) LH (silly routings) and SN (poor connections). EZY starts its direct service fom LPL in a few weeks - thank God!
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I'm sure we had a debate on here a week ago that Glasgow had best domestic network in UK....!
This is flybe, who have plunged into the red, now moving to the old BA model of hubbing at Manchester. Bearing in mind how much pressure domestic flying is under, this is a good move for flybe, but whether it translates into more profit I don't know.
additional 86 convenient regional point-to-point connections and choice of 12 new flights* by optimising scheduling options through Manchester
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Does anyone think the creation of a hub at Manchester by Flybe has anything to do with the rumour of something on the cards between EZY and Flybe????
EZY have big plans for man. The planned growth had to be delayed due to Stelios stopping the original fleet expansion plans, however there is still a commitment to deliver extra aircraft to MAN over the coming years. Some EZY routes have recently been cut with no replacements yet announced. There is/will be spare capacity.
Could this be the start of something beautiful?? A feeder network (of sorts) to a Man hub for Flybe and EZY? Even if it’s just well timed flights between the two companies....or something more?
EZY have big plans for man. The planned growth had to be delayed due to Stelios stopping the original fleet expansion plans, however there is still a commitment to deliver extra aircraft to MAN over the coming years. Some EZY routes have recently been cut with no replacements yet announced. There is/will be spare capacity.
Could this be the start of something beautiful?? A feeder network (of sorts) to a Man hub for Flybe and EZY? Even if it’s just well timed flights between the two companies....or something more?
If EZY want to go big at MAN there is precious little Flybe could do!!
If EZY wanted to stick a load of airbus there, there would be a long que of Flybe flight deck at their door, hoping for a job!!
If EZY wanted to stick a load of airbus there, there would be a long que of Flybe flight deck at their door, hoping for a job!!
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I was wondering if it might be more of a co-operation than a battle? Not EZY trying to kick Flybe out but rather more a case of trying to make something fit? I think you might have mis read my post serenity or more likely I didn't make it clear!?!
Could Flybe potentially bring pax in from the "regions" (how BA) to then travel further afield with EZY? Exeter - Sharm anyone? Maybe as a code share? Maybe as a gentleman's agreement? Maybe nothing at all? But given the fact Flybe are now going into wet leasing as a way of helping bring in cash could there be a tie up?
Flybe doing the IOM's? Acting as a feeder network? Or all just crazy rumours.....??
Could Flybe potentially bring pax in from the "regions" (how BA) to then travel further afield with EZY? Exeter - Sharm anyone? Maybe as a code share? Maybe as a gentleman's agreement? Maybe nothing at all? But given the fact Flybe are now going into wet leasing as a way of helping bring in cash could there be a tie up?
Flybe doing the IOM's? Acting as a feeder network? Or all just crazy rumours.....??
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Not unless there is a fundamental policy change. EZY is strictly a point to point carrier.
Any "connection" is worthless unless there is an interline facility.
It would be interesting if EZY were to follow Air Berlin & Germanwings in offering connecting flights - but I don't see it.
Any "connection" is worthless unless there is an interline facility.
It would be interesting if EZY were to follow Air Berlin & Germanwings in offering connecting flights - but I don't see it.
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KLM MAN-AMS
I don't do a lot of business flying, but I'm just back from a short conference in Amsterdam. Went with KLM, and what a joy it was. Clean aircraft, on time, experienced professional crew speaking excellent English. Everything included in the ticket price, which wasn't extortionate. And then of course you have Schipol, still one of the best airports. I don't know whether this is a new thing, or unique to KLM, but on both flights the pilots joined the cabin crew at the front galley to say goodbye to all the pax, with genuine warmth. This was a surprisingly welcome gesture. Both outbound and inbound flights were full or nearly full.
People have knocked legacy airlines but I much prefer to use them where possible, to the point that it can make or break the decision to travel. We're very fortunate to have such a great choice of airlines at MAN.
People have knocked legacy airlines but I much prefer to use them where possible, to the point that it can make or break the decision to travel. We're very fortunate to have such a great choice of airlines at MAN.
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It may have been the purser, I thought it was the Captain last time I flew KLM til I realised male cabin crew have stripes on their sleeve and a similar uniform.....
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I have seen Flightdeck crew say goodbye hundreds of times in my travels, most recent was a few weeks ago on the USAirways A330 on the PHL - MAN flight. It only takes a few minutes to do and it means so much to the passengers to actually get the chance to interact with the crew who are usually bolted behind a security door. If I was an airline CEO I would insist all my crews did it.
Obvious exceptions to this are the very quick turnarounds of LOCOs I don't suppose they get a chance to pee let alone talk to people.
Obvious exceptions to this are the very quick turnarounds of LOCOs I don't suppose they get a chance to pee let alone talk to people.
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FlyBe hub
The FlyBe Hub, as I understand it, really amounts to a coordination of scheduling rather than much new capacity. This seems a sensible and low risk strategy.
AMS-MAN-AMS
My friend often has to travel AMS-MAN-AMS at short notice, and always travels KLM. Surprisingly late bookings are often very reasonably priced & of course boarding, bags & all the other guff is hassle free and free.
Looks like KLM are stepping up a gear, especially with the imminent withdrawal of LPL-AMS.
Looks like KLM are stepping up a gear, especially with the imminent withdrawal of LPL-AMS.
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BHX5DME.
Yes I was there as well at BHX ,although it operated smoothly the airport did not..delays to inbound and outbound as runway had to be checked before and after for debris, and only a brilliant pilot steering it sharply off the runway kept it off the grass.
Then BHX wanted a nice photoshot of it departing with the Airport behind, so they switched take off runways just for it.Meant that 8 inbounds which had been vectored onto the preffered runway had to hold for 25 mins..!
Then of course BHX had to borrow 2 A380 catering trucks from LHR and an A380 tug from Manchester..which I later saw going on the back of a low loader back their.
Still as a spectacle was brill
Nigel
Yes I was there as well at BHX ,although it operated smoothly the airport did not..delays to inbound and outbound as runway had to be checked before and after for debris, and only a brilliant pilot steering it sharply off the runway kept it off the grass.
Then BHX wanted a nice photoshot of it departing with the Airport behind, so they switched take off runways just for it.Meant that 8 inbounds which had been vectored onto the preffered runway had to hold for 25 mins..!
Then of course BHX had to borrow 2 A380 catering trucks from LHR and an A380 tug from Manchester..which I later saw going on the back of a low loader back their.
Still as a spectacle was brill
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I don't do a lot of business flying, but I'm just back from a short conference in Amsterdam. Went with KLM, and what a joy it was. Clean aircraft, on time, experienced professional crew speaking excellent English. Everything included in the ticket price, which wasn't extortionate. And then of course you have Schipol, still one of the best airports. I don't know whether this is a new thing, or unique to KLM, but on both flights the pilots joined the cabin crew at the front galley to say goodbye to all the pax, with genuine warmth. This was a surprisingly welcome gesture. Both outbound and inbound flights were full or nearly full.
A couple of months ago I was flying out with KLM on a Friday afternoon. The aircraft got struck by lightening 3+ times on approach, subsequently sending it tech on the ground. Both the captain and cabin manager presented themselves at the gate and did the announcement in fluent English (as is the way with the Dutch, think their English is better than mine at times
) and then again in Dutch. They stayed for 30minutes or so to answer any questions the pax had. As time went on they kept popping up to keep us informed which helped a lot against some of the more angry passengers and eventually we were cleared to go. Excellent service in flight by all cabin crew and they even re-arranged passengers seats in flight depending on how tight peoples connections were at AMS.I sent a letter to KLM commenting on the excellent service provided by both the flight deck and cabin crew and to pass on my thanks to all, soon after I received a very nice gift off them
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I have seen Flightdeck crew say goodbye hundreds of times in my travels, most recent was a few weeks ago on the USAirways A330 on the PHL - MAN flight. It only takes a few minutes to do and it means so much to the passengers to actually get the chance to interact with the crew who are usually bolted behind a security door. If I was an airline CEO I would insist all my crews did it.
Obvious exceptions to this are the very quick turnarounds of LOCOs I don't suppose they get a chance to pee let alone talk to people.
Obvious exceptions to this are the very quick turnarounds of LOCOs I don't suppose they get a chance to pee let alone talk to people.