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Ryanair? No doubt they are part of the growth, but there's much more going on besides. SAS have 7 departures on most days, Lufthansa what? 10, 12? Only charter is really suffering long term decline, and most of that lost market is switching to scheduled flights, and so the passengers are retained. Cargo is slack at the moment, a reflection of the decline in imported goods which is nationwide.
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I think the statsitics for end of March and April will be extremely high this year. Both Ryanair and Monarch launching a load of routes which will operate quite frequently. Jet2 also launching a couple so that will boost them up a bit as well.
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New Tower
Just to say that it is good to see the rapid progress being made on the new tower - it is amazing the speed with which the structure is rising.
It will be interesting to see the progress being made over the next few months whilst the cab added to the 'mast' etc.
It will be interesting to see the progress being made over the next few months whilst the cab added to the 'mast' etc.
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Flew into T3, a week ago tonight, on Ryanair from Malaga. At 23.30 it is the last arrival at T3 of the day. We actually disembarked at 23.15. However, passengers were unable to exit the gate area into the terminal, as the doors were locked. We could see UK Border Control and people were banging on the doors to try to attract attention for a good 10 minutes. No one came, although one of the UK Border Agency staff waved at one stage. The sign by the side of the doors displaying phone numbers to contact, had been plaster skimmed into the wall and all the last digits of the numbers were...in the wall and not visible...therefore useless. Eventually, a woman from the handling agents was "persuaded" to leave the tarmac and come into the terminal and up the stairs to open the doors. However she was not amused at this or the complaints she received and became a little defensive and off hand in her replies. It was simply not her job to open the doors and she was not responsible, even though her employers were.
I flew back out of T1 early yesterday morning on easyJet. There was only one processing area open at security and a queue was developing, which was then exasperated by about 20 security staff coming on shift and passing through the one open control, causing passengers to be further delayed. The same happened when staff for air side retail units arrived.
Once through security, I found that the majority of retail units, including WHS, Boots, Starbucks and all but one of the refreshment units did not open until 05.00, although staff were present. One member of WHS staff was reading the morning papers at the display stand, with the doors locked. Thank goodness Soho Coffee was open and as a result I shall use them again when I transit T1.
Not a good experience for people on flights departing at the start of the day. Someone in the airport management,needs to think again about their offered retail experience for the early passenger and how their security staff get air side early morning, without causing delay to the paying passenger.
I flew back out of T1 early yesterday morning on easyJet. There was only one processing area open at security and a queue was developing, which was then exasperated by about 20 security staff coming on shift and passing through the one open control, causing passengers to be further delayed. The same happened when staff for air side retail units arrived.
Once through security, I found that the majority of retail units, including WHS, Boots, Starbucks and all but one of the refreshment units did not open until 05.00, although staff were present. One member of WHS staff was reading the morning papers at the display stand, with the doors locked. Thank goodness Soho Coffee was open and as a result I shall use them again when I transit T1.
Not a good experience for people on flights departing at the start of the day. Someone in the airport management,needs to think again about their offered retail experience for the early passenger and how their security staff get air side early morning, without causing delay to the paying passenger.
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Let's not forget Flybe.
Them dashes are all over the place. I sat there one afternoon down by the viewing gallery only last week, there was a dash landing, it seemed, every 5 or 10 minutes. I also read somewhere that they've changed some of their scheduled services from manchester to improve connections so perhaps we might see them even more over the summer?
Them dashes are all over the place. I sat there one afternoon down by the viewing gallery only last week, there was a dash landing, it seemed, every 5 or 10 minutes. I also read somewhere that they've changed some of their scheduled services from manchester to improve connections so perhaps we might see them even more over the summer?
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New Tower
Have to agree with Scottie Dog, the new tower structure is growing by the day. I've been walking through the airport train station to T2 most days last week and this week I shall be doing so from tomorrow. I've noticed it already has a large presence. Can't wait to see it all when it's completed.
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Over the years of flying into MAN & having friends that work there I am amazed by the number of freighters/freighter flights that no longer come into MAN.
Recent ones I can think of:
Jett8
Great Wall
Air China
Fedex MD11 ( I hear that they will bring a 757 back)
and these are recent history. With CI canx till winter how many freighters go into MAN now?
Also, I know of at least 2 frieghter airlines that have requested flights into MAN but were put off by the "quite surprising for a regional airport" landing fees.
HL
Recent ones I can think of:
Jett8
Great Wall
Air China
Fedex MD11 ( I hear that they will bring a 757 back)
and these are recent history. With CI canx till winter how many freighters go into MAN now?
Also, I know of at least 2 frieghter airlines that have requested flights into MAN but were put off by the "quite surprising for a regional airport" landing fees.
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Fedex MD11 ( I hear that they will bring a 757 back)
The reduction in cargo movements is a shame but not too surprising given the economic climate, I think most airports around the UK have been hit equally as hard. One of my family members works in cargo and the number of requests for importing/exporting goods via sea rather than air has increased massively.
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Fedex returned today with their 757s I believe, although not actually flying again for another few weeks.
No current plans for the mad-dog to return.
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cargo traffic down is not good news as freight traffic in general is rising,despite the sluggish economic situation.increase in lo cost operators hardly compensates for the loss of prestige national carriers.
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Roverman ,
increases in passenger numbers at regional airports can be deceptive in relation to making money.
Probably 40% of last months 10% increase at MAN,came from new Ryan Air flts which bring absolutely nothing in.Similar story to other regionals ..if there was an increase mostly down to low costers.
Fortunately Manchester also saw good increases in numbers from the middle eastern carriers after the extra capacity they have added.
Also good growth in business passengers on full fare European airlines.and more modest growth to USA
Regional airports such as MAN and BHX will probably be fine long term, as they both have a good number of full fare airlines to get cash in..
Airports such as Luton and Stansted could struggle more, as they make very little on virtually a complete LCC charter model.
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increases in passenger numbers at regional airports can be deceptive in relation to making money.
Probably 40% of last months 10% increase at MAN,came from new Ryan Air flts which bring absolutely nothing in.Similar story to other regionals ..if there was an increase mostly down to low costers.
Fortunately Manchester also saw good increases in numbers from the middle eastern carriers after the extra capacity they have added.
Also good growth in business passengers on full fare European airlines.and more modest growth to USA
Regional airports such as MAN and BHX will probably be fine long term, as they both have a good number of full fare airlines to get cash in..
Airports such as Luton and Stansted could struggle more, as they make very little on virtually a complete LCC charter model.
Nigel
I think some of you are placing too much emphasis on who pays what. Like many airports MAN has a set price for it's services and, as we've seen in the past, tends not to get "done over" by the LCC's or otherwise. In effect, Easyjet, Ryanair and Jet2 probably pay more than what you think at MAN. I'm not sure about the other two but Easy uses peak time slots and they pay their way.
First and foremost I'm a MAN fan and it's great to see how well MAN does with the legacy carriers. It does bring prestige to the airport but when the chips are down it's been the LCC's such as BE, EZY and LS who have been adding the based units and nobody else so to kind of discount them is a little bit insulting to the airport and above all, the airlines. Also, remember that, contrary to popular belief, it's the charter/scheduled leisure pax that spends the money in the terminal in MAN and not the business pax hence the very mainstream mix of retail.
First and foremost I'm a MAN fan and it's great to see how well MAN does with the legacy carriers. It does bring prestige to the airport but when the chips are down it's been the LCC's such as BE, EZY and LS who have been adding the based units and nobody else so to kind of discount them is a little bit insulting to the airport and above all, the airlines. Also, remember that, contrary to popular belief, it's the charter/scheduled leisure pax that spends the money in the terminal in MAN and not the business pax hence the very mainstream mix of retail.
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Easyflyer83.
Your not quite right...
The airline passengers that bring the most in to airport shops are the ones that cater for family holidays.Thomson passengers spend the most.
Ryan Air, penalise passengers going to hot spots by charging so much per bag.As one of their lovely bosses said last year..If passengers want cheap sun holidays then leave your cases behind..think they all go to the same charm school.
We are getting to the stage when we can only just call Ryan Air Easy Jet etc, low cost because of all there add ons making them almost as expensive as full fare airlines.
I have a friend who used to be in marketing with airlines at a large English airports and spent many hours with Ryan Air doing negotiations..So believe me NO airport gets a good deal out of Ryan Air he informs !
Nigel
Your not quite right...
The airline passengers that bring the most in to airport shops are the ones that cater for family holidays.Thomson passengers spend the most.
Ryan Air, penalise passengers going to hot spots by charging so much per bag.As one of their lovely bosses said last year..If passengers want cheap sun holidays then leave your cases behind..think they all go to the same charm school.
We are getting to the stage when we can only just call Ryan Air Easy Jet etc, low cost because of all there add ons making them almost as expensive as full fare airlines.
I have a friend who used to be in marketing with airlines at a large English airports and spent many hours with Ryan Air doing negotiations..So believe me NO airport gets a good deal out of Ryan Air he informs !
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Easyflyer83.
The airline passengers that bring the most in to airport shops are the ones that cater for family holidays.Thomson passengers spend the most.
Ryan Air, penalise passengers going to hot spots by charging so much per bag.As one of their lovely bosses said last year..If passengers want cheaper sun holidays then leave your cases behind, otherwise we will charge you accordingly..think they all go to the same charm school.
We are getting to the stage when we can only just call Ryan Air, Easy Jet etc, low cost because of all there add ons making them almost as expensive as full fare airlines.
I have a friend who used to be in marketing with airlines at a large English airports and spent many hours with Ryan Air doing negotiations..NO airport gets a good deal out of Ryan Air he informs !
Nigel
The airline passengers that bring the most in to airport shops are the ones that cater for family holidays.Thomson passengers spend the most.
Ryan Air, penalise passengers going to hot spots by charging so much per bag.As one of their lovely bosses said last year..If passengers want cheaper sun holidays then leave your cases behind, otherwise we will charge you accordingly..think they all go to the same charm school.
We are getting to the stage when we can only just call Ryan Air, Easy Jet etc, low cost because of all there add ons making them almost as expensive as full fare airlines.
I have a friend who used to be in marketing with airlines at a large English airports and spent many hours with Ryan Air doing negotiations..NO airport gets a good deal out of Ryan Air he informs !
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Chaps - so you know the terms of the ryanair / MAN deal then ? I guess you must either work in the higher echolons of the commercial team at the airport or the airline then. Not sure I'd be broadcasting hints about details of the deal in either case
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The airline passengers that bring the most in to airport shops are the ones that cater for family holidays.Thomson passengers spend the most.
Ryan Air, penalise passengers going to hot spots by charging so much per bag.As one of their lovely bosses said last year..If passengers want cheaper sun holidays then leave your cases behind, otherwise we will charge you accordingly..think they all go to the same charm school.
We are getting to the stage when we can only just call Ryan Air, Easy Jet etc, low cost because of all there add ons making them almost as expensive as full fare airlines.
Ryan Air, penalise passengers going to hot spots by charging so much per bag.As one of their lovely bosses said last year..If passengers want cheaper sun holidays then leave your cases behind, otherwise we will charge you accordingly..think they all go to the same charm school.
We are getting to the stage when we can only just call Ryan Air, Easy Jet etc, low cost because of all there add ons making them almost as expensive as full fare airlines.
If you want a family 2 week holiday to Tenerife all taking 20kgs of luggage each then go on a charter
Want a 2 night city break in Amsterdam? Go EZY
Nigel.... Re read my post because I categorised those who spend the most as charter AND low cost scheduled so basically I was making your point before you even made it. Plus not every LCC pax is carrying maximum hand luggage. There are many easyjet routes where lockers are by and large empty and remember that a duty free is additional to any hand baggage allowance.
The LCC are always more expensive argument is laughable too and has become a bit of a cliche. There is no hiding from the fact that legacy have become more competitive and at certain points can actually be cheaper but generally speaking flying LCC is cheaper ..... Fact. Ask regular ZRH pax who are to lose their EZY service who are complaining about being forced to use 'expensive' Swiss. Anecdotal maybe but I was taken aback by the volume of comments when I operated ZRH last Friday.
Northwest, I didn't say that I knew anything specific regarding the terms and conditions of the Ryanair deal. All I refer to us that MAN had Ryanair back on equal terms according to MAN and that LCC's aren't always flying into airports for peanuts. Remember that EZY flies into some of Europes most slot constrained airports where slots aren't cheap.
The LCC are always more expensive argument is laughable too and has become a bit of a cliche. There is no hiding from the fact that legacy have become more competitive and at certain points can actually be cheaper but generally speaking flying LCC is cheaper ..... Fact. Ask regular ZRH pax who are to lose their EZY service who are complaining about being forced to use 'expensive' Swiss. Anecdotal maybe but I was taken aback by the volume of comments when I operated ZRH last Friday.
Northwest, I didn't say that I knew anything specific regarding the terms and conditions of the Ryanair deal. All I refer to us that MAN had Ryanair back on equal terms according to MAN and that LCC's aren't always flying into airports for peanuts. Remember that EZY flies into some of Europes most slot constrained airports where slots aren't cheap.
but generally speaking flying LCC is cheaper ..... Fact
I can only speak from my own experience.
My Dutch colleague also is a regular on AMS-MAN-AMS, he generally books 7-10 days in advance, & KLM invariably wins hands down, in terms of fares & schedule.
Majority of Swiss pax to ZRH are in transit.
Sure LCC have their place, & very useful from MAN to places like Bilbao etc.