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The baggage handling at terminal 2 must be about the worst in the world. it took over 45 minutes from my flight docking to recover my suitcase from the carousel, when there was only one other carousel running, and therefore flight, to handle. This is terrible service. I am an infrequent traveller at Manchester, but each time I have used terminal 2 the level of service has been the same.
The other carousel could have been used by another airline served by different handling agents..? There are so many factors that could add up to the reasoning for this. Ok, I agree I feel it should be atleast a little faster, but personally I have never waited more than 30 minutes after arriving on-stand in T2 to retrieve luggage, or atleast for the luggage from the flight to start coming around the carousel.
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It is possible to compare with all UK airports but with Heathrow you have more than one airline in some cases and different types of aircraft with different configs and I haven't got the time to dig that far. Here is a quick compare.
As for Dubai in January
BHX 42834 - 345 pax per flight 83% load factor
GLA 24167 - 390 pax per flight 91% load factor
NCL 14331 - 231 pax per flight 83% load factor
LGW 51379 - 276 pax per flight 80-83 % load factor
LHR-Doha 61077 - 246 per flight - 80-85% based on 77W/332/333/346
Pete
It is possible to compare with all UK airports but with Heathrow you have more than one airline in some cases and different types of aircraft with different configs and I haven't got the time to dig that far. Here is a quick compare.
As for Dubai in January
BHX 42834 - 345 pax per flight 83% load factor
GLA 24167 - 390 pax per flight 91% load factor
NCL 14331 - 231 pax per flight 83% load factor
LGW 51379 - 276 pax per flight 80-83 % load factor
LHR-Doha 61077 - 246 per flight - 80-85% based on 77W/332/333/346
Pete
Unlucky?
I guess you may be unlucky. I arrived T2 last month (evening) on Monarch A321 . By the time I cleared immigration the bags were already on the belt. There were various other arrivals too.
I shall be arriving Tuesday into T2 from Atlanta, so I shall see how the daytime goes.
Like they say, it's usually not MAproblem - but the airline / handling agent agreement on staff etc that determines how long it takes.
I shall be arriving Tuesday into T2 from Atlanta, so I shall see how the daytime goes.
Like they say, it's usually not MAproblem - but the airline / handling agent agreement on staff etc that determines how long it takes.
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Pete none of us are privy to how much the ME airlines make or don`t
but I was told by someone that Etihad were more than pleased at how
Manchester performs and was told that they are carrying a lot of high value pax
so I guess yield is what they are happy with.
If EK are carrying a near full load of F and J class pax the Y class are icing on the cake and cargo is being turned away which also pays good money
GLA soon to go double daily and NCL upgrade to a larger aircraft MAN to
get B777 on EK21 and A380 on EK19 this year also QR to upgrade to B787 by
end of summer and return to 14 a week by October
If the airlines were not happy these thing would not be happening
Ian
but I was told by someone that Etihad were more than pleased at how
Manchester performs and was told that they are carrying a lot of high value pax
so I guess yield is what they are happy with.
If EK are carrying a near full load of F and J class pax the Y class are icing on the cake and cargo is being turned away which also pays good money
GLA soon to go double daily and NCL upgrade to a larger aircraft MAN to
get B777 on EK21 and A380 on EK19 this year also QR to upgrade to B787 by
end of summer and return to 14 a week by October
If the airlines were not happy these thing would not be happening
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I was told by someone that Etihad were more than pleased at how
Manchester performs and was told that they are carrying a lot of high value pax
Manchester performs and was told that they are carrying a lot of high value pax
MIDDLE East airline Etihad Airways....carried a record 8.29 million passengers in 2011, up 17% on 2010.
The Abu Dhabi-based carrier said the increase represented an extra 1.197 million passengers on its network, which covers 82 destinations.
Etihad said Manchester was one of it's top 10 busiest routes last year. The airline carried 222,465 passengers, up 29%.
Commenting on the growth, chief executive and president James Hogan said: “This result, achieved while much of the world was still very much in the economic doldrums and oil prices remained high, is testament to our emergence as a formidable force in the international aviation arena.
“It also reflects our commitment to sensible, strategic expansion which is why we launched eight new routes last year,” he said.
The new routes were to Bangalore, the Maldives, the Seychelles, Chengdu, Dusseldorf, Tripoli, Shanghai and Nairobi.
Etihad Airways’ busiest route was Bangkok with the airline carrying more than 500,000 passengers to the Thai capital during the year.
This was closely followed by London (479,000), Manila (446,000), and Jeddah (289,000), then came Sydney, Frankfurt, Paris, Manchester, Doha and Dublin to complete the list of the 10 most popular routes.
The Abu Dhabi-based carrier said the increase represented an extra 1.197 million passengers on its network, which covers 82 destinations.
Etihad said Manchester was one of it's top 10 busiest routes last year. The airline carried 222,465 passengers, up 29%.
Commenting on the growth, chief executive and president James Hogan said: “This result, achieved while much of the world was still very much in the economic doldrums and oil prices remained high, is testament to our emergence as a formidable force in the international aviation arena.
“It also reflects our commitment to sensible, strategic expansion which is why we launched eight new routes last year,” he said.
The new routes were to Bangalore, the Maldives, the Seychelles, Chengdu, Dusseldorf, Tripoli, Shanghai and Nairobi.
Etihad Airways’ busiest route was Bangkok with the airline carrying more than 500,000 passengers to the Thai capital during the year.
This was closely followed by London (479,000), Manila (446,000), and Jeddah (289,000), then came Sydney, Frankfurt, Paris, Manchester, Doha and Dublin to complete the list of the 10 most popular routes.
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Thanks for posting the figures - but none for Heathrow ?
As I expected where competition does not exist (to the M.E.)the figures are
'better'
I think for a 'third' airport (LHR/LGW) MAN's figures are very healthy.
Just as an add-on - does anyone know figures for Munich - to compare with
MAN ?
MM
Thanks for posting the figures - but none for Heathrow ?
As I expected where competition does not exist (to the M.E.)the figures are
'better'
I think for a 'third' airport (LHR/LGW) MAN's figures are very healthy.
Just as an add-on - does anyone know figures for Munich - to compare with
MAN ?
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CMB154 MD11 N382WA, declared emergency NW of WAL, descended rapidly and now about to establish 05R. No idea on the reason, but they were asked by Director if they need to stop on the runway or can continue on their own......interesting to see what the problem is.
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I had a quick look at this yesterday. with the CAA stats for December, and got the following:
MAN 83%
LHR 87%
I don't have the figures to hand today, but the issue here is that the stats just give airport to airport traffic, not carrier. I assume its just BA with their 3*772 and EK with their planes. What we don't know is the airline load factors, but at 83% I have an idea that the flights were pretty close to full on most dates (except probably Christmas day).
MAN 83%
LHR 87%
I don't have the figures to hand today, but the issue here is that the stats just give airport to airport traffic, not carrier. I assume its just BA with their 3*772 and EK with their planes. What we don't know is the airline load factors, but at 83% I have an idea that the flights were pretty close to full on most dates (except probably Christmas day).
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Thanks Skipness, so that brings the LHR figures down a bit, but we don't know by how many because the seats on those flights are not all LHR<->DXB.
Anyway, the load factors for LHR-DXB and MAN-DXB are looking similar, to within a few % points, and that's as good an estimate as we're going to get.
Anyway, the load factors for LHR-DXB and MAN-DXB are looking similar, to within a few % points, and that's as good an estimate as we're going to get.
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Dubai is really difficult as SOE has pointed out with LHR having RBA and BG flying there as well (plus BA & VS). I tried with the November and December figures using the CAA punctuality stats but I couldn't even see any numbers for RBA and BG included.
Then you have so many different configurations as well as aircraft types.
Doha is a bit easier but again it includes BA figures for Heathrow (4 class 777?).
December - LHR - DOH 62659 - 202 per flight or 74%
MAN - DOH 25936 - 208 per flight or 72%
November - LHR - DOH 52617 - 175 per flight or 64%
MAN - DOH 20841 - 174 per flight or 60% (using 1x333 + 1x332)
Abu Dhabi came out as LHR 216 per flight in December MAN 208 and November
LHR 207 and MAN 187. Again had problems with configs with LHR coming out at 90% in December which seems high and the BA flight is shared with Muscat
Pete
Then you have so many different configurations as well as aircraft types.
Doha is a bit easier but again it includes BA figures for Heathrow (4 class 777?).
December - LHR - DOH 62659 - 202 per flight or 74%
MAN - DOH 25936 - 208 per flight or 72%
November - LHR - DOH 52617 - 175 per flight or 64%
MAN - DOH 20841 - 174 per flight or 60% (using 1x333 + 1x332)
Abu Dhabi came out as LHR 216 per flight in December MAN 208 and November
LHR 207 and MAN 187. Again had problems with configs with LHR coming out at 90% in December which seems high and the BA flight is shared with Muscat
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The data the CAA sends to airlines shows a full breakdown of each route by individual airline, so should be pretty easy to get what you need. Not really sure what the point of the comparison is meant to be though - seat factor is just one element of a complicated dynamic. Unless you have the yield, cabin mix, any airport specific cost differentials etc, then differences in seat factor alone tells you little. An airline might also be executing on different strategies at different airports which also renders any seat factor comparison pretty useless. A strategy to chase market share would probably see higher occupany with corresponding yield compression and a strategy to maximise seat revenue would probably dilute occupany as the trade off for higher revenue.
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I think most on here realise that pax per flight and load factor is a minor factor and no real indication of how a service is doing but my original post was only really to point out the number of empty seats in terms of thousands on "successful" routes and some have pointed out that it is no different at other airports, which is also true but food for thought though.
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I think most on here realise that pax per flight and load factor is a minor factor and no real indication of how a service is doing but my original post was only really to point out the number of empty seats in terms of thousands on "successful" routes and some have pointed out that it is no different at other airports, which is also true but food for thought though.
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OltonPete,
So, its safe to say that your original post was a waste of time....
because it didn't compare like with like - which must be a basic requirement ?
If you had figures on all empty seats for all services giving the total
available it would have been better.
Giving a figure of 33000 empty for MAN and not any other airport maybe a bit
incongruous ?
MM
So, its safe to say that your original post was a waste of time....
because it didn't compare like with like - which must be a basic requirement ?
If you had figures on all empty seats for all services giving the total
available it would have been better.
Giving a figure of 33000 empty for MAN and not any other airport maybe a bit
incongruous ?
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True in a way,. but OltonPete is correc in a way, in that if there are flights from LHR-DXB and then on to Brunei or Bangladesh, what seats count as empty?
Having said that, OltonPete should not just ignore the LHR figures because they're "too difficult", it appears that the LHR load factor was below 88% for December (it would be 88% if the pax on the Brunei/BD flights had not gone to DXB and the pax on these flights had flown BA/EK instead.
Roughly, the December LHR figures were below 88% (somewhere in the region 80-88) and MAN figures were 83%
Having said that, OltonPete should not just ignore the LHR figures because they're "too difficult", it appears that the LHR load factor was below 88% for December (it would be 88% if the pax on the Brunei/BD flights had not gone to DXB and the pax on these flights had flown BA/EK instead.
Roughly, the December LHR figures were below 88% (somewhere in the region 80-88) and MAN figures were 83%
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If you go back to post 3299 my reply was really just querying the claim that the increased services at Manchester had not been a bloodbath and whether 33000 empty seats could classed as a success/failure (probably didn't make that clear).
I made no reference to Heathrow or anywhere else as this is a Manchester thread. On that basis were the later posts a waste of time - absolutely, and a mistake - absolutely but you live and learn
and I will know what to do next time.
Swiss - Showing in GDS mainly as 319's this summer and the lunchtime a F100 between 23/4 and 15/6 which is the period BHX loses its lunchtime service.
Pete
If you go back to post 3299 my reply was really just querying the claim that the increased services at Manchester had not been a bloodbath and whether 33000 empty seats could classed as a success/failure (probably didn't make that clear).
I made no reference to Heathrow or anywhere else as this is a Manchester thread. On that basis were the later posts a waste of time - absolutely, and a mistake - absolutely but you live and learn
and I will know what to do next time.Swiss - Showing in GDS mainly as 319's this summer and the lunchtime a F100 between 23/4 and 15/6 which is the period BHX loses its lunchtime service.
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OltonPete,
'whether 33000 empty seats could classed as a success/failure'
The only comparison to be made would have to be with LHR - thats
the point - not being able or willing to provide the info (LHR empty seats) is wrong.
What would you say if LHR empty seats were similar to MAN?
MM
'whether 33000 empty seats could classed as a success/failure'
The only comparison to be made would have to be with LHR - thats
the point - not being able or willing to provide the info (LHR empty seats) is wrong.
What would you say if LHR empty seats were similar to MAN?
MM