Monarch -2

[Richard Taylor]

re ABZ

Compton3bravo: I'll give it a go!

Monarch Scheduled introduced AGP - ABZ services, with a AGP-based aircraft.

At that time the operating hours at ABZ had been relaxed, so I don't recall this being a factor.

However I think MON shut the AGP base & as soon as they did that, the costs of operating the flights using a MAN-based aircraft rose to the extent that the route eventually became unviable.

I think that's what happened, but happy to be corrected!

Would still welcome MON if they decided to come back...unlikely as that is now!

[partyboy_uk]

Originally Posted by LGS6753

According to Travel Weekly Monarch will operate Norwich - Funchal from 9th May for Atlantic Holidays.
No info on frequency or number of flights.

This flight is a one off. Atlantic are using a Monarch A320 every Monday throughout the summer from different regional airports including NWI, BOH, HUY, MME, IOM, BFS, LVP, PIK EDI, MSE, DSA, CWL BLK and NQY.

[Airfrance7]

Monarch A300 605 R G-MONR parked up at Manchester West side 8/3/11. I have to say that this aircraft is in shocking state and in need of a respray ASAP. If I was going on holiday tomorrow I would think twice about getting on it! Looking at all the nice shiny re-sparayed TCX aircraft it does little for company Monarch PR?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

This aircraft is going in for a check at BRU on Friday and will be repainted within the next month along with G-MAJS.
Both G-MONS & GOJMR have just been repainted.

[compton3bravo]

Monarch At Aberdeen

Many thanks Richard for your reply, good luck with Monarch for next year. Cheers C3B.

[SCANDIC]

Monarch's aircraft are in better condition than thomas cooks.

[ryansf]

Monarch's aircraft are in better condition than thomas cooks

At least TCX has some aircraft on order to replace them with. When was the last time Monarch bought a NEW aircraft (aren't most of their narrowbodies second hand?)?

[Mr A Tis]

Ryansf

Monarch have owned many of their fleet from new. Some are indeed second hand.
In 2006 Monarch ordered 6 x B787s with options on another 4.
Some of these should have already been delivered (and the A300s retired) late 2010. It is not Monarch's fault that Boeing have failed to deliver their new aircraft.

[Serenity]

All the A300's are not only being repainted but totally refitted inside, all new interiors and losing about 70 seats in the process. This will mean lots of direct long haul flights and leg room space that will be second to none!!

[Flightrider]

The A300 reconfig reduces from 361 to 352 seats due to the removal of one row of nine seats. I'm not sure where you are seeing/hearing of anything which suggests that the seat changes are anything greater than that.

[monarch767]

Yeah for summer 11 we are just removing one row in A cabin to make the whole for A cabin zb legroom. The a300 will be doing 60% zb this summer. For summer 12 the a/c will be completely refitted losing approx 70 (2-4-2 instead of 3-3-3) thus improving range for LH.

[TSR2]

For summer 12 the a/c will be completely refitted losing approx 70 (2-4-2 instead of 3-3-3) thus improving range for LH

The cost of a complete refit would appear to indicate that delivery of their B787's must be some way off.

[Chidken Sangwich]

Quote:
For summer 12 the a/c will be completely refitted losing approx 70 (2-4-2 instead of 3-3-3) thus improving range for LH

The cost of a complete refit would appear to indicate that delivery of their B787's must be some way off.

Shouldnt that read: The cost of a complete refit would appear to indicate that the investment in the A300's means that the delivery of their B787's is never going to happen.?

Remember the B767's...

As for 'capacity reductions' to improve range for Long Haul, are ZB launching a new Long Haul product next year then, as there's certainly no requirement for Long Haul I.T. charters...?

[Ian Brooks]

Depends on whether Monarch have got some money from Boeing to extend the lives of the A300 until B787 are ready

[adfly]

I wonder if the A330's will receive any sort of treatment as they do almost all long haul. 2-4-2 seating and a couple of extra inches of legroom along with some in seat ife would help keep them competitive until the 787's arrive(eventually!).

[LGS6753]

I'm sure Monarch will have received some compensation from Boeing for late delivery of 787s. Perhaps they have decided to invest it in extending the life of the A300s.
I'm pretty sure the A300s were operated by Monarch from new, as were most if not all the 757s and some of the A320/1 fleet.

[factanonverba]

Removing 7-8 tons(approx 70 seats and pax) of payload only just makes full fuel viable in most cases for the A300. On full tanks, landing with normal reserves, would give the a/c 7-8 hrs flt time. So you can forget long haul in this config, it would still struggle to get back from Bahrain. Fuel tank capacity is the real prevention to long haul for this a/c!

[Airbus321-200]

The A300s in the current config have done Gatwick to Bahrain with no issues for a long time so taking the seats out will make a difference. This will probably make the east coast of America viable.

I'm sure this is a boeing sponsored refit.

[monarch767]

I remember doing a Calgary - Gatwick direct on the A300 and that was with about 100 empty seats.

[renort]

You'd need to take out ALL the seats to guarantee coming back from YYC every week. A few people on here have called it right: it wont change how much gas you can put in the tanks so forget longhaul.

And no amount of seats will still stop the poxy Hyd Systems failing week in week out!