Monarch -2
For the last 20 years, Monarch has been gradually moving from all-charter to a heavy concentration on scheduled services. These flights have, when introduced, often replaced charter flights operating on similar days at similar times.
Also, perusing holiday brochures, ZB flights can often be seen alongside, or instead of, charters. This implies block booking by tour operators.
It seems to me that Monarch have pursued a very successful long-term strategy to protect their business, without too much concern about whether a particular operation is scheduled or charter. (Indeed, charter flights are often bookable as 'flight-only' through the charterers, including in-house Avro).
Thus the profitability of one side of the business or the other is probably very difficult to ascertain. Crews and most aircraft are 'shared', scheduled passengers may be travelling on an IT, and charter passengers may have just booked the flight only.
What matters is the success of the whole, and I for one am pleased to see Monarch gracing the skies 43 years after the delivery of their first Britannia!
Also, perusing holiday brochures, ZB flights can often be seen alongside, or instead of, charters. This implies block booking by tour operators.
It seems to me that Monarch have pursued a very successful long-term strategy to protect their business, without too much concern about whether a particular operation is scheduled or charter. (Indeed, charter flights are often bookable as 'flight-only' through the charterers, including in-house Avro).
Thus the profitability of one side of the business or the other is probably very difficult to ascertain. Crews and most aircraft are 'shared', scheduled passengers may be travelling on an IT, and charter passengers may have just booked the flight only.
What matters is the success of the whole, and I for one am pleased to see Monarch gracing the skies 43 years after the delivery of their first Britannia!
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Apologies - my previous posting did have one inaccuracy, in that there are still two aircraft at Dublin. However the DUB programme will be Fri-Sun as the Thursday flying which used to operate on one of the aircraft has disappeared.
EDI position is correct - Thomson 757 is being based there and the midweek programme operated ex EDI over the last couple of years was for TUI.
Still doesn't change my fundamental position that the amount of business disappearing from Monarch's programme this year far exceeds the amount of new business gained/created and that this can only be a challenge ahead as there are increasingly few sources of business left to replace it.
EDI position is correct - Thomson 757 is being based there and the midweek programme operated ex EDI over the last couple of years was for TUI.
Still doesn't change my fundamental position that the amount of business disappearing from Monarch's programme this year far exceeds the amount of new business gained/created and that this can only be a challenge ahead as there are increasingly few sources of business left to replace it.
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Thursday flying which used to operate on one of the aircraft has disappeared.
MON - Dublin - Faro - Knock - Faro - Dublin - A321
2010:
Europe Airpost - Dublin - Faro - Knock - Faro - Dublin - B733
Czech Airlines - Dublin - Faro - Dublin - A321
Thursday has being dropped as Knock will be reduced and Dublin will be increased.
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Thomson/EDI
Very interesting that the planned MON unit in EDI is being replaced inhouse by a TOM757/233Y (very low utilisation)
Programme is still onsale as MON so obviously they havent updated their selling systems yet.
The Day6 EDI-PMI which was on sale as MON is now on sale as BE.
Day5 CFU 0600/1420
Day5 TFS 1530/0145
Day6 PMI (BE) 0700/1335
Day6 IBZ (BE9105/6) 0700/1400
Day6 LPA (TOM1654/5) 1540/0155
Day7 PFO 0900/1955
Day1 DLM 0700/1705 (on sale as MON5876/7)
Day2 PMI 'W' (ABZ I think) 0630/2150
Day3 nothing planned currently.
Day4 PMI 'W' MME (I think) 0630/2150
Very interesting that the planned MON unit in EDI is being replaced inhouse by a TOM757/233Y (very low utilisation)
Programme is still onsale as MON so obviously they havent updated their selling systems yet.
The Day6 EDI-PMI which was on sale as MON is now on sale as BE.
Day5 CFU 0600/1420
Day5 TFS 1530/0145
Day6 PMI (BE) 0700/1335
Day6 IBZ (BE9105/6) 0700/1400
Day6 LPA (TOM1654/5) 1540/0155
Day7 PFO 0900/1955
Day1 DLM 0700/1705 (on sale as MON5876/7)
Day2 PMI 'W' (ABZ I think) 0630/2150
Day3 nothing planned currently.
Day4 PMI 'W' MME (I think) 0630/2150
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Sat PMI has always been shown as FlyBe, but as IBZ and PMI operating by Flybe, EDI only has E95 based there, so suspect one of these were planned for the Monarch aircraft.
Like wise on a Wed, although SSH showing as Lotus the flight times suggest a EDI aircraft, so again Monarch was suspected.
Would not be suprised to see some more added, possibly Paphos could go earlier in the morning or in the afternoon, and something added on the Sunday.
TCX have and Antalya due out in the evening on a Monday night, again TCX/TOM could both sell an allocation and use the TOM flight
Suprised Arrecife hasnt been added to the programme yet, but there is still time.
Like wise on a Wed, although SSH showing as Lotus the flight times suggest a EDI aircraft, so again Monarch was suspected.
Would not be suprised to see some more added, possibly Paphos could go earlier in the morning or in the afternoon, and something added on the Sunday.
TCX have and Antalya due out in the evening on a Monday night, again TCX/TOM could both sell an allocation and use the TOM flight
Suprised Arrecife hasnt been added to the programme yet, but there is still time.
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Quoted from Olympic holidays:
All seems very strange! 
Take it from us that we hadn’t even begun to discuss prices with Monarch when they decided to withdraw all capacity from us (after 15 years of successful co-operation). Even now, we haven’t been given any real reason but it’s clear to us that Monarch have their own agenda and issues.
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sam1993:
Your quotation from Olympic Holidays is remarkable. Without doubting its validity, could you post the source if possible, press/radio/televison etc? Thanks
Your quotation from Olympic Holidays is remarkable. Without doubting its validity, could you post the source if possible, press/radio/televison etc? Thanks
Take it from us that we hadn’t even begun to discuss prices with Monarch when they decided to withdraw all capacity from us (after 15 years of successful co-operation). Even now, we haven’t been given any real reason but it’s clear to us that Monarch have their own agenda and issues.
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Monarch have done very well in separating themselves from such a low end operator
In favour now is likely to be a proper Monarch/Cosmos business model
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From another thread
"Just heard that Olympic have secured two aircraft from Strategic Airlines for their summer programme.
Strategic Airlines, isn't that the airline which had its French AOC revoked by the DGAC on safety grounds ? Seems the airline had a few Kelloggs cornflakes tokens left and traded them in for an AOC in Luxembourg. The French market is understandably up in arms and fails to understand how Luxembourg could possibly grant an AOC to Strategic, just weeks after the French CAA had revoked their French AOC."
Olympic obviously did find an airline that thought their rates were acceptable!
"Just heard that Olympic have secured two aircraft from Strategic Airlines for their summer programme.
Strategic Airlines, isn't that the airline which had its French AOC revoked by the DGAC on safety grounds ? Seems the airline had a few Kelloggs cornflakes tokens left and traded them in for an AOC in Luxembourg. The French market is understandably up in arms and fails to understand how Luxembourg could possibly grant an AOC to Strategic, just weeks after the French CAA had revoked their French AOC."
Olympic obviously did find an airline that thought their rates were acceptable!
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I am told from someone within TUI they will not be doing any flying with Monarch. Monarch was not approachable. On the Olympic Holidays/Monarch contract the view within TUI is that the Olympic management is respectable and Monarch withdrew capacity in a bizarre way. TUI is happy to supply seats and whole plane charters to Olympic. Monarch’s tactics of washing their dirty linen in public seems shoddy. All in all there must be something going on at Monarch but they don’t know what. The question is where will all the Monarch capacity previously taken by TUI and Olympic go?
Just for the record I was also told TUI was happy to use Strategic for their programme but a Czech airline offered lower rates than Strategic.
Just for the record I was also told TUI was happy to use Strategic for their programme but a Czech airline offered lower rates than Strategic.