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What winter TFS routes, the only flights that the A300 is operating at the moment apart from winter ski flights, is BJL and GOI.
You keep forgetting MON is reducing its charter flying to around 20% of its total flying.
Yes the wide body aircraft are great for some of summer and winter destinations, but what do you use them on at other times.
It costs around £2000 a day to park a A300 at LGW, which will soon add up in the winter months.
Maybe in the future during the summer MON might start to offer two flights a day to some destinations, replacing the wide bodies.
They are already operating two A320s a day to BCN on a number of days of the week out of LGW.
By the way l think you will find the A300 operating for a few more years yet, as they are currently looking to reduce the seating to 328 from 347 or 354 for next summer.
You keep forgetting MON is reducing its charter flying to around 20% of its total flying.
Yes the wide body aircraft are great for some of summer and winter destinations, but what do you use them on at other times.
It costs around £2000 a day to park a A300 at LGW, which will soon add up in the winter months.
Maybe in the future during the summer MON might start to offer two flights a day to some destinations, replacing the wide bodies.
They are already operating two A320s a day to BCN on a number of days of the week out of LGW.
By the way l think you will find the A300 operating for a few more years yet, as they are currently looking to reduce the seating to 328 from 347 or 354 for next summer.
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Not sure reducing your charter work that much is a good idea, it just means your going to have to do a lot better against the likes of ryanair easy jet etc, charter work has stood mon in good stead over the years.
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It's alright, nobody panic, the "next big thing" is to enter the murky world of Private Jet broking.
Someone obviously hasnt told the heirachy that the typical margin on a private jet job is less then £250 at the moment, thats if someone isnt doing it cheaper. You'll have to do a hell of a lot of those to justify the six figure salaries in Crawley, before you start generating the sort of contribution of the Monarch adhocs they are supposedly replacing. None of that activity will do anything to get any MON aircraft flying, crews working or engineers fixing. And what is the reward for such a ridiculously flawed idea? a seat at the top table!
Just goes to show, being the most hated man in Aviation isn't such a bad gig after all.
Someone obviously hasnt told the heirachy that the typical margin on a private jet job is less then £250 at the moment, thats if someone isnt doing it cheaper. You'll have to do a hell of a lot of those to justify the six figure salaries in Crawley, before you start generating the sort of contribution of the Monarch adhocs they are supposedly replacing. None of that activity will do anything to get any MON aircraft flying, crews working or engineers fixing. And what is the reward for such a ridiculously flawed idea? a seat at the top table!
Just goes to show, being the most hated man in Aviation isn't such a bad gig after all.
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mike, that's the funniest post I've read in a long time! I bet Mikey O would be really peed off if he thought there was a serious contender to his crown as "the most hated man in aviation" !! 
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From what i can gather mon need to lean up fast, far to many "chiefs" taking big salaries out and putting not a lot back, there is no way on earth they will survive long term against the likes of ryan air with the costs they have, perhaps they should look how their engineering division does things.
Mike,
Your knowledge into the economics of commercial aviation leaves a lot to be desired. Monarch has successfully provided an aircraft broker service to the various divisions of the industry for a number of years already. Private Jets are the fastest growing division within aviation and showing little sign of ever slowing. Top company executives feel the benefits of security, convenience and a tailored schedule, whereas wealthy individuals from the Middle East or the increasing numbers of Eastern Europeans or former Russian states with significant wealth simply wish to use as symbol of status.
With private jet hire, you select your own airports. Skip congested airports such as LHR, JFK far from your actual destination, instead arriving minutes away at smaller airports such as LCY or TEB.
Whilst there is competition within the Private Jet charter business, tell me an element of aviation where there isn’t? Whilst I won’t be drawn into divulging commission levels or profit structure, I will let you know that potential profits for a professional broker willing to provide a bespoke service are significant. The private jet business is about all about having the right contacts and the right calibre personnel to carry off the deals. Monarch/First Aviation are thus, extremely well placed in the industry to expand into this area and provide such a dedicated service to clients.
Your knowledge into the economics of commercial aviation leaves a lot to be desired. Monarch has successfully provided an aircraft broker service to the various divisions of the industry for a number of years already. Private Jets are the fastest growing division within aviation and showing little sign of ever slowing. Top company executives feel the benefits of security, convenience and a tailored schedule, whereas wealthy individuals from the Middle East or the increasing numbers of Eastern Europeans or former Russian states with significant wealth simply wish to use as symbol of status.
With private jet hire, you select your own airports. Skip congested airports such as LHR, JFK far from your actual destination, instead arriving minutes away at smaller airports such as LCY or TEB.
Whilst there is competition within the Private Jet charter business, tell me an element of aviation where there isn’t? Whilst I won’t be drawn into divulging commission levels or profit structure, I will let you know that potential profits for a professional broker willing to provide a bespoke service are significant. The private jet business is about all about having the right contacts and the right calibre personnel to carry off the deals. Monarch/First Aviation are thus, extremely well placed in the industry to expand into this area and provide such a dedicated service to clients.
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Sorry SASKATOON, what are you on about?? The very fact that you capitalise the words 'private' and 'jet' mean that one is forced to question how genuine you really are - and when you say 'former Russian', don't you mean 'former Soviet'? Very different. But to the point - what have private jets got to do with Monarch?
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SASKATOON - where did your other hundreds of posts go? Did you delete them out of hubris once you realised what an @rse you had made of yourself. In which case I expect your post count to go down to three very shortly.
Unless you were being ironic in which case it was very, very funny.
Unless you were being ironic in which case it was very, very funny.
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I think the a321 is good for maybe 70% of Monarchs short/medium haul but for some routes GIB comes to mind, that route was ideal for a 757 when the 320 was not enough capacity. The 757 can depart GIB with a full load, the 321 despite having less seats, cannot do this, there are other examples of the 321s limitations ithin the MON network, both charter and scheduled side. Sharm and some Greek and Turkish routes from Northern airports are best suited to the 757s excellent range and short field capability and also the ability to depart with no payload restrictions. I belive this is why Monarch keep hold of a few of the later build 757s in their fleet and I just do not know what the 757 replacement will be, the 321 cannot do the work of the 757 is some situations, True on short haul Spanish routes, the 321 is a cheaper option to the 757 bu there are many routes where the 757 is much more suited. Banjul is another route ideal for the 757, a 321 could not do the BJL from MAN with a full pax load the range of the 321 is not there.
The 757 is so well suited to many UK charter needs, that its telling that many of the 757s remain with MON, TCX, TOM, LS despite the 738 or 321 also being in their fleets.
The 757 is so well suited to many UK charter needs, that its telling that many of the 757s remain with MON, TCX, TOM, LS despite the 738 or 321 also being in their fleets.
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peachair732 & Topspotter
I agree with you that the B757 is a better all round a/c than the A321, but the operating cost is much higher than the A321.
You seem to be ignoring the point that MON, TCX & TOM are all replacing their B757 fleets with A320 Family aircraft or the B737NG.
BRI (TOM) made the decision in the early 90s, that they would get rid of the B737 fleet and in doing so stopped flying to a number of routes.
They also finished flying for the MOD as the B757 & B767 a/c were to big for the MODs requirements.
You can not afford to keep an a/c type just to operate a few routes.
The only reason MON are keeping the B757 at the moment is that the leases have time to run and when the leases are up they will go.
Who said they were going for an B737NG fleet?
MON are still in negotiations with various organisations with regards to the future fleet make-up, this is one reason why the 6 month lease of two A320s from Air Berlin is not happening.
You will have to wait for the future fleet make-up as we at MON are having to.
You seem to be ignoring the point that MON, TCX & TOM are all replacing their B757 fleets with A320 Family aircraft or the B737NG.
BRI (TOM) made the decision in the early 90s, that they would get rid of the B737 fleet and in doing so stopped flying to a number of routes.
They also finished flying for the MOD as the B757 & B767 a/c were to big for the MODs requirements.
You can not afford to keep an a/c type just to operate a few routes.
The only reason MON are keeping the B757 at the moment is that the leases have time to run and when the leases are up they will go.
Who said they were going for an B737NG fleet?
MON are still in negotiations with various organisations with regards to the future fleet make-up, this is one reason why the 6 month lease of two A320s from Air Berlin is not happening.
You will have to wait for the future fleet make-up as we at MON are having to.
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Seems to me fleet planning at MON is a bloody mess. The high profile 787 order was quitely dumped, leaving the long term long haul programme up in the air, a huge question mark why the 787 was dropped, delays did not help but financial considerations may have been a factor in the cancellation. I too have never heard rumour of the 738 entering with MON, They are focused clearly on the 321 for their scheduled and charter but the 757s and A36 are still very important and useful for many Monarch high density short medium routes, clearly these two fleets are on the way out soon but what will they be replaced with, more 321s? I guess so but I think the 757 and the A300s, well there isnt a clear current production aircraft available from the manufacturers. I think a few new 767-300s before they stop being built would be a good idea. If MON ordered a few 763s, these would be good for the higher density routes that the older 757s and A306s serve.
I know the 763 is not a new type but they are still being built and airlines are still buying them new, and I think MON should think about a few new 7673s, they have experience of the type already, as they have used older ones already.
I think GIB will have to be 320, the 321 is too payload restricted for this route. The 757 was ideal for GIB when the demand was higher than the 320. the 321s are economical certainly, but they are under powered and range restricted. Charter routes to Turkey, Egypt well I dont think an all 321 will be a good ide Time will tell when those old faithful 757s are gone, so many routes will have to fall with them, I think.
I know the 763 is not a new type but they are still being built and airlines are still buying them new, and I think MON should think about a few new 7673s, they have experience of the type already, as they have used older ones already.
I think GIB will have to be 320, the 321 is too payload restricted for this route. The 757 was ideal for GIB when the demand was higher than the 320. the 321s are economical certainly, but they are under powered and range restricted. Charter routes to Turkey, Egypt well I dont think an all 321 will be a good ide Time will tell when those old faithful 757s are gone, so many routes will have to fall with them, I think.
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I think GIB will have to be 320, the 321 is too payload restricted for this route. The 757 was ideal for GIB when the demand was higher than the 320. the 321s are economical certainly, but they are under powered and range restricted. Charter routes to Turkey, Egypt well I dont think an all 321 will be a good ide Time will tell when those old faithful 757s are gone, so many routes will have to fall with them, I think.
Some of the 321's ahve just done Egypt for the winter and by the looks it went well but think they are using the A300 this summer. I also know that EasyJet do the A320 to SSH from MAN so I can't see it as a major problem when the A300 & 757's go.
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The 320 has more range and can do ssh, a high config 321 will struggle with Man-ssh, high payload, range restrictions, etc. I know many have had to do an en-route stop, else it would be offload luggage. Not Good. The 321 is a dog for SSH, in charter config