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Old 21st Jun 2010, 13:12
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It seems that PIK is about to lose it's last UK Domestic
PIK - BHD still operating for winter
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 14:24
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Ryanair1: currently evaluating two options:
If true this is the first time I've seen mention of FR evaluation new aircraft type, makes sense as they transition out of the high growth phase and look to more traditional commuter airports.

I would have thought the C Series 100/300 to be a great fit for a FR sub-fleet and arriving at the right time in need of a large backer.
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 16:32
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Prestwick - City of Derry will also be operating
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 16:40
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Well we like to call 'em the British Isles so kinda makes sense.
Who likes to call it the British Isles exactly? I think you'll find that terms use is greatly discouraged.
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People such as teachers of Geography with it being a Geographical term.
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 17:02
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Britain includes England, Scotland and Wales. Britain does not include any part of the island of Ireland. The United Kingdom, however, includes the six counties of Northern Ireland.

Therefore to be geographically correct it should be refereed to as Britain and Ireland. Simple really.
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 17:05
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Incorrect the British isles are the Island containing England, Wales and Scotland, thes island of Ireland and assorted smaller islands (apologies to them I just dont want to type a long list)
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Jayzus, I didn't know we were invaded again. Good work lads.

The I've heard a few reliable rumblings from DAA that the Copenhagen base will be announced shortly. Ryanair will also be offering a few other new winter routes in DUB for a change this year.
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 17:58
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Dil ireann - Volume 606 - 28 September, 2005 - Written Answers - Official Terms.

The British Isles is not an officially recognised term in any legal or inter-governmental sense. It is without any official status. The Government, including the Department of Foreign Affairs, does not use this term.
as said by Minister Dermot Ahern

Ireland is a country now in its own right. If you'd like to use antiquated terms that is for you to decide but that's the official line on it and indeed the line of its citizens.
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Dil ireann - Volume 606 - 28 September, 2005 - Written Answers - Official Terms.

Quote:
The British Isles is not an officially recognised term in any legal or inter-governmental sense. It is without any official status. The Government, including the Department of Foreign Affairs, does not use this term.
as said by Minister Dermot Ahern

Ireland is a country now in its own right. If you'd like to use antiquated terms that is for you to decide but that's the official line on it and indeed the line of its citizens.
Well said!!!
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 18:53
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Ah the good old British Isles remark designed to enflame the situation.

2 minor islands off the coast of Europe.
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 21:39
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I think we have a situational awareness crisis here. Apparently pilots don't even have to know a great deal about geography these days but don't tell the PAX.

If you really want to wind up the four or five previous posters here, refer to Great Britain as the mainland. But, it could be worse. I heard a recent French TV presenter comment that Ryanair was French. Brilliant marketing all the same.
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 21:46
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Domestic and short hops and the option of trying out smaller frames as the 189 seaters are too big for these kinds of routes.

Let us tease out this idea a little more - so would it be 99 seaters or 130 seaters?
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Old 21st Jun 2010, 22:16
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I take it there has been a reciprocal name change to the Irish Sea and its now known as Greater Liverpool Bay.
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Old 22nd Jun 2010, 13:52
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They will not evaluate another ac type, but they could take the 737-700 for those domestic and thiner routes. Same thing as 737-800 just smaller, with 148 seats...
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As long as the -800 is available they will never take any other airframe into the operation:
The whole FR-system depends on flexibility. If one aircraft at base A needs to go into maintenance, it is simply changed out at a 25min turnaround at base B. The same thing happens if an aircraft goes tech - spare is shuffled in within a couple of hours.

In short term planning a -700 might be an option - but what happens, when economy in Europe starts to go up again? The just-arriving -700 will be too small and they exactly have the problem as described in line 3.

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Old 22nd Jun 2010, 15:52
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Today the so called 'alderstafel' published their advice about the future of Eindhoven Airport. Although it is an advice it is more or less the future.
They mention Eindhoven will be allowed to have 4 based planes flying between 07:00 and 24:00. 4 is the minimum number needed for a carrier to start a base at Eindhoven; this can only be Ryanair. I expect a 4 A/C Ryanair base at EIN when those plans are all reality. Probably S11 or W11. Furthermore; Ryanair requested for this winter more slots then Eindhoven has to offer (because of noise constraints), so I expect some significant growth at Eindhoven once there are more flights allowed.
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Old 22nd Jun 2010, 17:06
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What about Transavia's existing base. Is it 4 extra aircraft in addition to what they already base at Eindhoven? And surely there is the chance they would want to expand, giving FR some competition for this 'based aircraft allowance'
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Old 22nd Jun 2010, 17:25
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Well, it is always allowed to base your plane at Eindhoven. Cityjet does so for their LCY flights and Transavia as well in the winter.
However at the moment the opening hours of Eindhoven are fairly restricted thus it does not allow to base an airplane and fly it efficient. That's why Transavia only does it in the winter, they've got more then enough planes then so it doesn't matter when it's parked up for hours at Eindhoven everyday.

The advice of Alders specifically mentions a 'home carrier', I can not imagine this is Transavia. They can't really compete with Ryanair and are in a different segment, for Ryanair however 4 based planes seems nice to start with.
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Old 22nd Jun 2010, 18:45
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With regard to comments that Ryanair will never consider another type I would strongly disagree. Many would say it is conventional thinking that loco's typically dont operate more than 1 type. However, in these times the rules book is out the window. No other LOCO at the scale of Ryanair operate a complete fleet of 189 seats, eg Southwest who have variety of variants, Easyjet also who have a mix of sizes of airbus.

What would be to stop Ryanair from setting up a separate entity operating say C series, or another 100 seat aircraft. This would allow Ryanair to profitably compete with companies such as Flybe or Aer Arann (yes Ryanair can compete with these but on thinner routes they will lose money when faced with multi daily frequencies) eg Cork Dublin.

A separate entity which if it had the operational flexibility in the areas of Staff cost and flexibility, low cost in terms of airport deals, and the same focus on cost base as Ryanair, use of the existing Ryanair systems for IT reservations, offices and management combined with a strong deal on aircraft cost eg big deal for C Series, Embraer etc would mean effectively they could open up a whole new market for themselves that hitherto they could not operate at an adequate return.

Any level of success on short routes by Aer Lingus Regional may be an additional motivator as succeeding on some of the existing routes may drive Ryanair to come up with a smaller type to compete more effectively.

Eg of Routes where good passenger numbers existed but were not sustainable due to 738 being too big;
Blackpool- London Stansted (100k pax per annum)
Prestwick- Belfast City (not sustainable at x2 daily on 738)
Prestwick- London Stansted (rumoured to be being axed) (some months in excess of 25k passnegers?)


Dublin - many UK regional routes were axed for various reasons
eg Dublin Humberside ... not sustainable yet loads of 50%, would smaller type make the yield management sys more sustainable?
Dublin Cardiff... a dispute with the airport about fees but big part of the issue was the profitability of the route 738 too big
there are many many examples.

How many extra passengers could Ryanair deliver per annum profitably on a smaller type?

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