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"Flyglobespan uses a 737-800 on its Glasgow-Boston route. What does this mean for other budget carriers dreaming of launching a low-cost, long-haul service?"
link : US-Europe on a 737: Flyglobespan does it. Will others follow suit?
Flyglobespan may not be the best example :X
link : US-Europe on a 737: Flyglobespan does it. Will others follow suit?
Flyglobespan may not be the best example :X
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I reckon it could work. But it would have to be sustainably run with slow growth initially. It would be a much bigger risk than buying a lot of 737's. You'd have to find a jet that is able to run from Germany to USA. That jet would be used on all LH operations to keep costs low. Staff would be put up in houses owned by the airline. They would clean and cook for themselves. No hotels. Only 3/4 bases in Europe, strategically situated such as London, Madrid and somewhere in Germany and or France. Cheap fares offered to travel to these bases with Ryanair. Options to buy dinner when booking ticket and selected seating an added cost. The planes will have entertainment but you will pay for it. This model will differ in that it won't ever be free. During slacker months fares will be higher and always cheaper than main operators.... Going to the loo will be free but toilet paper and soap added extra. Showers on board an option.... A bar area provided by drink supplier that pays rent to use the area. Cargo operation also to help cover costs.
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You are kidding? look at Gerona-Alghero, it works very well. But also lots of spaniards want to go to corsica
However, I do agree with you that the route should work reasonably (and not very) well but Figari and Alghero are very different markets. Just look at the size of Alghero markets, it's around 400 000 inhabitants within 60 mins drive, vs what - 50 000 for Figari maximum... I also assume most than a half of the passengers are coming from Alghero on GROAHO whereas I can guarantee you that if you have 2 people per flights coming from Figari, that would be a miracle. Futur will tell, but I think the route won't survive its first year of operation (except if Ryanair for such non sense route blames the airport, so Figari gives even more money or Ryanair leaves the airport etc etc)
Anyway, the monney comes from the region of Figari, not from MOL's bank account. 
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Thanks eu01 for the info. Italy is Ryanair best market so I can't believe they won't find a solution with ENAC. As always, Ryanair prefers the brutality than the negociation, but in this affair they are for once not in the privilegied position as they can't give up all their italian domestic routes
I am sure you know the answer 
Blackmailing again. For a reason, perhaps, but what about their pax?
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All domestic routes in Italy will cease to operate from Saturday, January 23. It's the result of ongoing row with ENAC concerning the ID identification requirements. ENAC wants Ryanair to accept a variety of less secure forms of identification on domestic Italian flights.
The visa stamp requirement, where they are unwilling to provide checks close to gate areas even at large bases such as STN/DUB and where I have seen passengers lied to on numerous occasions, is quite another story.
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All Italian domestic routes are gone 23rd, January - 19th, March in Ryanair booking engine. My friend was notified that his flight Trapani - Bergamo on 27th of January is cancelled. Is it blackmailing?
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The UK is Ryanair's 'best' market.
The UK is it's largest followed by Italy, Spain and Germany.
The size difference between the UK and Italy is too great for Italy to be Ryanair's 'best' market.
If you have some data to support your argument then please do share, but I would be very surprised.
The UK is it's largest followed by Italy, Spain and Germany.
The size difference between the UK and Italy is too great for Italy to be Ryanair's 'best' market.
If you have some data to support your argument then please do share, but I would be very surprised.
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FR's largest markets
Hi,
You can get a rough idea of FR's largest markets by looking at the departing seat capacity graphs at the bottom of this page:
ELFAA - The European Low Fares Airline Association
Note that the largest markets may not necessarily be the 'best' markets, depending on how you choose to define 'best'.
According to the most recent (Oct 2009) points on the graph, FR's largest markets by monthly departing seat capacity are:
1. UK - roughly 1.7M departing seats per month (and declining)
2. Spain - roughly 1.3M (massive growth)
3. Italy - roughly 1.25M (massive growth)
4. Ireland - roughly 0.7M (declined to below 2007 levels)
5. Germany - roughly 0.6M (strong growth)
Domestic capacity in Italy appears to have grown rapidly to over 0.45M departing seats per month. FR have been developing a strong position in the Italian domestic market. Is it really worth jeopardising this for the sake of a fishing licence?
You can get a rough idea of FR's largest markets by looking at the departing seat capacity graphs at the bottom of this page:
ELFAA - The European Low Fares Airline Association
Note that the largest markets may not necessarily be the 'best' markets, depending on how you choose to define 'best'.
According to the most recent (Oct 2009) points on the graph, FR's largest markets by monthly departing seat capacity are:
1. UK - roughly 1.7M departing seats per month (and declining)
2. Spain - roughly 1.3M (massive growth)
3. Italy - roughly 1.25M (massive growth)
4. Ireland - roughly 0.7M (declined to below 2007 levels)
5. Germany - roughly 0.6M (strong growth)
Domestic capacity in Italy appears to have grown rapidly to over 0.45M departing seats per month. FR have been developing a strong position in the Italian domestic market. Is it really worth jeopardising this for the sake of a fishing licence?
Domestic capacity in Italy appears to have grown rapidly to over 0.45M departing seats per month. FR have been developing a strong position in the Italian domestic market. Is it really worth jeopardising this for the sake of a fishing licence?
Given that Italy has its own home grown terrorists and the various Mafiosa factions its a surprising thing to want to do expescially when you consider the level of armed police you find in any city.
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A very costly decision. Creating great opportunities for competitors (Alitalia, U2), many disappointed passengers, their confidence strained...
And something else. Just imagine the schedules. I think we can expect pretty massive changes concerning many international flights from Italy as well. You wouldn't expect the aircraft to wait at the airport some three hours for the next international flight while the domestic flight in between is no more in the schedule, would you?
And something else. Just imagine the schedules. I think we can expect pretty massive changes concerning many international flights from Italy as well. You wouldn't expect the aircraft to wait at the airport some three hours for the next international flight while the domestic flight in between is no more in the schedule, would you?
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