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After the news of the impending death of the Visa Electron card, we now know how Ryanair is going to play it. You'll still be able to avoid booking fees though, apparently, if you're clever.
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Am I right in assuming that Ryanair have to offer at least one form of free payment method because if it charged a fee for all cards then advertised prices would have to include credit/debit card fees ??
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Yep, MAN777, you are indeed right.
Likewise, you'll notice that the £5 online check-in fee never applies to 'sale' fares (i.e. whichever are included in the current promotion). Ryanair never advertises any fare other than the current promotion, so if you choose a flight that's not included in the current promotion, you'll get stung for another £5 per person per sector.
This is slightly more subtle, because the law seems to state you can't advertise a fare that accrues an additional fee. FR avoid the debit/credit card fee by always exempting one type of card. They get round the online check-in fee by simply never advertising those fares that have it added.
Likewise, you'll notice that the £5 online check-in fee never applies to 'sale' fares (i.e. whichever are included in the current promotion). Ryanair never advertises any fare other than the current promotion, so if you choose a flight that's not included in the current promotion, you'll get stung for another £5 per person per sector.
This is slightly more subtle, because the law seems to state you can't advertise a fare that accrues an additional fee. FR avoid the debit/credit card fee by always exempting one type of card. They get round the online check-in fee by simply never advertising those fares that have it added.
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After the news of the impending death of the Visa Electron card, we now know how Ryanair is going to play it. You'll still be able to avoid booking fees though, apparently, if you're clever.
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Low brain revenue management
I was just checking few prices for this summer, and again the same stupid revenue management from Ryanair.
Just an example: Brussels - Milan, out Fri 4th july, return 6th july, evening flights for a short break weekend.
easyJet price: 40€
Ryanair price: 125€
The low brain airline is 3 time more expansive than easyJet!
I also checked many fares in June from London to France - every single scenarios or destinations (EGC, PUF etc), prices are of 120€ return. Is it a joke???
Usually, maximum revenue are obtained by starting with low prices and increase them when approaching the date of the flight isn't it? It looks like this is the opposite for Ryanair! I better understand how they can kill their yields by 20% with such non sense.
Just for fun, I will follow these prices, and I bet you that 2 months before departure, they would be at 10€ all inclusive
Two comments then:
- never book Ryanair tickets in advance - usually, best fares are obtained at 1 or 2 months before departure, except for bank holidays & special events
- quite sure if Ryanair is not profitable on these routes, it would be for sure because of the airports: too high costs, not enough marketing support etc and they will again use their favourite sentence: "reduce your charges/increase your marketing support or we leave"!!!
Easy no? you do **** work, but it's not your fault: it's airports that have to offset your incompetence
Just an example: Brussels - Milan, out Fri 4th july, return 6th july, evening flights for a short break weekend.
easyJet price: 40€
Ryanair price: 125€
The low brain airline is 3 time more expansive than easyJet!
I also checked many fares in June from London to France - every single scenarios or destinations (EGC, PUF etc), prices are of 120€ return. Is it a joke???
Usually, maximum revenue are obtained by starting with low prices and increase them when approaching the date of the flight isn't it? It looks like this is the opposite for Ryanair! I better understand how they can kill their yields by 20% with such non sense.
Just for fun, I will follow these prices, and I bet you that 2 months before departure, they would be at 10€ all inclusive
Two comments then:- never book Ryanair tickets in advance - usually, best fares are obtained at 1 or 2 months before departure, except for bank holidays & special events
- quite sure if Ryanair is not profitable on these routes, it would be for sure because of the airports: too high costs, not enough marketing support etc and they will again use their favourite sentence: "reduce your charges/increase your marketing support or we leave"!!!
Easy no? you do **** work, but it's not your fault: it's airports that have to offset your incompetence
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Basically, one way fares for july from Milan to Brussels are all of 60€ (vs. 20€ for easyJet). We'll see how they evolve.
I bet you tuesday or wednesday flights will be something like:
- today: 60€ one way
- in january: 50€
- in february: 40€
- in march: 40€
- in april: 40€
- in may: 5€ without check in fee (this is when they will realise that actually they have **** load factors on the route, exactly when people are ready to pay a bit more)
- in june: 10€ (same story)
- in july: 15€ until 7 days before departure where prices will slightly increase
- days of departure: 189€ (lol)
= non sense
I bet you tuesday or wednesday flights will be something like:
- today: 60€ one way
- in january: 50€
- in february: 40€
- in march: 40€
- in april: 40€
- in may: 5€ without check in fee (this is when they will realise that actually they have **** load factors on the route, exactly when people are ready to pay a bit more)
- in june: 10€ (same story)
- in july: 15€ until 7 days before departure where prices will slightly increase
- days of departure: 189€ (lol)
= non sense
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Ryanair do have high(ish) prices for next summer as they need to keep their extremely cheap seats for which they put on sale, at ludicrous prices, about 2 weeks - 2 months before departure.
They work different from other carriers for the simple reason that they use their prices as their main weapon.
easyJet are usually the most consistent airline with their fares and work with the first come first served method whereas Ryanair's is much more:
book early: pay regular fare
book couple of months in advance: extremely cheap
book day before: ludicrously expensive
Remember - Ryanair have a reputation of being cheap, so when a high percentage of Ryanair passengers (which is into the tens of millions!) check their website, the automatically assume that will be the cheapest fare on the web because they are seen as the cheapest airline. You would be amazed how many people do not shop around.
Why do you think you receive all those promotional emails from x, y and z - they know if you see a decent price on their ad, nine times out of ten, you won't check anywhere else, even if it is cheaper.
I'm sure Ryanair spend a small fortune on their pricing strategies and they will be getting their monies worth out of all of the employees who are involved working out fares etc.
They work different from other carriers for the simple reason that they use their prices as their main weapon.
easyJet are usually the most consistent airline with their fares and work with the first come first served method whereas Ryanair's is much more:
book early: pay regular fare
book couple of months in advance: extremely cheap
book day before: ludicrously expensive
Remember - Ryanair have a reputation of being cheap, so when a high percentage of Ryanair passengers (which is into the tens of millions!) check their website, the automatically assume that will be the cheapest fare on the web because they are seen as the cheapest airline. You would be amazed how many people do not shop around.
Why do you think you receive all those promotional emails from x, y and z - they know if you see a decent price on their ad, nine times out of ten, you won't check anywhere else, even if it is cheaper.
I'm sure Ryanair spend a small fortune on their pricing strategies and they will be getting their monies worth out of all of the employees who are involved working out fares etc.
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Usually, maximum revenue are obtained by starting with low prices and increase them when approaching the date of the flight isn't it?
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Oh dear!
Know what?
Generally, I do sympathize to some extent with Ryanair. I do agree that HEL is too expensive and I can foresee the need to have a low-cost terminal or airport in the region of the capital city. I do not like Ms. Vehviläinen either, she is... well, never mind. But for God's sake, what Mr. McNamara wants to achieve by such kind of statement? We have here the formalist-bureaucratic-egalitarian kind of mass-democracy and (after reading some comments) such a call will probably have precisely reverse effect.
Is it just FR, or are the mentality differences really so vast between the nations?
MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT IGNORES RYANAIR'S COMMITMENT TO GROW TRAFFIC
Ryanair’s proposal to reverse Finnish passenger collapse ignored by Minister for Transport
Ryanair plan to deliver 2m pax p.a. and 2,000 jobs at Helsinki
Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, called for Ms Anu Vehvilainen, Minister for Transport, to explain why she has failed to even acknowledge a proposal from Ryanair which would reverse Finland’s collapsing passenger traffic by delivering 2m passengers p.a. at Helsinki – growing the airport’s traffic by 15% and creating 2,000 new jobs.
Ryanair confirmed that it has requested a meeting with the Minister on three separate occasions over the past four months to discuss its growth plan but has failed to receive any acknowledgment from the Minister.
Ryanair currently offers seven routes to/from Tampere which deliver 500,000 passengers pa, sustaining 500 local jobs. Ryanair said that Finland’s high passenger charges have discouraged airlines from developing Finnish routes. Ryanair guaranteed growth in Helsinki if the government incentivised all airlines to develop new routes in return for a reduction in its high passenger taxes and airport charges.
Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said,
“Ryanair is the only major European airline growing this year and we will be the only airline to grow in 2010. Ryanair can reverse the collapse in traffic at Helsinki Airport if the government incentivises airlines to grow but our proposal to the Minister for Transport has so far been completely ignored.
Ryanair is eager to work with Ms Vehvilainen to develop and promote Finnish tourism and we call on the Minister to explain to the Finnish taxpayer why she has refused to meet with Europe’s largest airline to deliver growth and new jobs. With Finnish passenger traffic collapsing Ms Vehvilainen must take action to protect jobs in the tourism and hospitality industries by meeting with Ryanair – the only airline that can guarantee growth at Finnish airports in 2010.”
Ryanair’s proposal to reverse Finnish passenger collapse ignored by Minister for Transport
Ryanair plan to deliver 2m pax p.a. and 2,000 jobs at Helsinki
Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, called for Ms Anu Vehvilainen, Minister for Transport, to explain why she has failed to even acknowledge a proposal from Ryanair which would reverse Finland’s collapsing passenger traffic by delivering 2m passengers p.a. at Helsinki – growing the airport’s traffic by 15% and creating 2,000 new jobs.
Ryanair confirmed that it has requested a meeting with the Minister on three separate occasions over the past four months to discuss its growth plan but has failed to receive any acknowledgment from the Minister.
Ryanair currently offers seven routes to/from Tampere which deliver 500,000 passengers pa, sustaining 500 local jobs. Ryanair said that Finland’s high passenger charges have discouraged airlines from developing Finnish routes. Ryanair guaranteed growth in Helsinki if the government incentivised all airlines to develop new routes in return for a reduction in its high passenger taxes and airport charges.
Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said,
“Ryanair is the only major European airline growing this year and we will be the only airline to grow in 2010. Ryanair can reverse the collapse in traffic at Helsinki Airport if the government incentivises airlines to grow but our proposal to the Minister for Transport has so far been completely ignored.
Ryanair is eager to work with Ms Vehvilainen to develop and promote Finnish tourism and we call on the Minister to explain to the Finnish taxpayer why she has refused to meet with Europe’s largest airline to deliver growth and new jobs. With Finnish passenger traffic collapsing Ms Vehvilainen must take action to protect jobs in the tourism and hospitality industries by meeting with Ryanair – the only airline that can guarantee growth at Finnish airports in 2010.”
Generally, I do sympathize to some extent with Ryanair. I do agree that HEL is too expensive and I can foresee the need to have a low-cost terminal or airport in the region of the capital city. I do not like Ms. Vehviläinen either, she is... well, never mind. But for God's sake, what Mr. McNamara wants to achieve by such kind of statement? We have here the formalist-bureaucratic-egalitarian kind of mass-democracy and (after reading some comments) such a call will probably have precisely reverse effect.
Is it just FR, or are the mentality differences really so vast between the nations?
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I do agree that HEL is too expensive and I can foresee the need to have a low-cost terminal or airport in the region of the capital city.
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Its a way of highlighting to the electorate that you were prepared to invest but politicians not interested.
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Where does the Servisair take over of Aviance leave Ryanair’s UK regional operation? Undoubtedly the handling rates will rise and in airports with only one handling agent Ryanair have a choice of paying or leaving the airport. The interesting scenario of the Airport wanting to do a deal to get/keep Ryanair but Ryanair not getting the handling deal they want and leaving or not showing up in the first place.
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Can anyone tell me how many more planes Ryanair are committed to having delivered and what rate they are arriving at? I am just curious, especially with so many currently laid up.
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Reported in the Birmingham thread:
Canarias 7. Economía. Ryanair volverá a operar en la Isla a partir de marzo y establecerá 15 rutas en 2010
Ryanair seemingly to return to Fuerteventura from next summer: 15 routes.
Canarias 7. Economía. Ryanair volverá a operar en la Isla a partir de marzo y establecerá 15 rutas en 2010
Ryanair seemingly to return to Fuerteventura from next summer: 15 routes.