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Pax will also have to consider the cost/time/difficulty of getting from Barcelona city centre to the airport. Did I see this being discussed somewhere on either an FR or another thread recently?
It may prove difficult to beat the advanced purchase internet rail fare.
It may prove difficult to beat the advanced purchase internet rail fare.
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I recently took the train from mad to bcn. Fabulous service. For me, much quicker than air but the biggest difference was the total lack of hassle.
I didnt have to que anywhere, I didnt have to get half undressed before getting on the train and I had a comfortable journey with loads of room.
I can only see pax numbers falling on this air route.
I didnt have to que anywhere, I didnt have to get half undressed before getting on the train and I had a comfortable journey with loads of room.
I can only see pax numbers falling on this air route.
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No to MOL at El Prat
Ryanair will be a disaster for all airlines at El Prat. The problem is overcapacity at the airport now Teminal 1 is complete. Ryanair do not provide good competition regardless of what the industry says. MOL will destroy the airlines that are currently on the route first then expand to other destinations. Whilst Ryanair is keen to destroy all competition, the airline does not take into account that the EU will break them up if they become too dominant. Airlines like Ryanair have only been able to take on these incumbent carriers because of EU airline deregulation which has forced flag carriers to allow other airlines on to their routes. The problem with MOL is that he and his airline is not just saitsfied with competing on a route, they undercut all competitors and push them out. That is not fair play and not what deregulation was designed for. If they enter El Prat it will be bye bye to Girona and Reus. Thousands of jobs lost in other parts of Catalunya for the greed of MOL and his shareholders. In the end it will be the passengers who loose out. Maybe not in the short term but it is on the horizon.
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Agree not many at Girona, but once you have a job, you dont really want to lose it do you? This will happen if MOL and crew setup at El Prat, Girona and Reus will suffer massively.
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Its inevitable that Ryanair will ruin airports as you say - they are
doing it all over Europe as I write.
Oh! how I wish for the days to return when flying was the habit of
the rich and the dream of many.
Still BA/Iberia are coming over the hill to the rescue of us all!!
MM
Its inevitable that Ryanair will ruin airports as you say - they are
doing it all over Europe as I write.
Oh! how I wish for the days to return when flying was the habit of
the rich and the dream of many.
Still BA/Iberia are coming over the hill to the rescue of us all!!
MM
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They ruin airlines not just airports and this is my point. Ryanair ruins the competition therefore no competition. When there is no competition on a route the incumbent will charge higher prices. Back to those good old days of only the rich being able to fly. Like or loathe Ryanair, this is exactly the strategy being pursued by MOL. Do you honestly think MOL developed his strategy out of kindness for us, the great masses to fly?
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Good Point MM, now lots of Chavs can fly all over the EU for practically nothing, (especially when they own their own LO COST Airline )
I have said this before, the only way RYR can fly all these people around for nothing is by screwing somebody else, somewhere in the chain, either anothe Pax, a Supplier, an Airport, or even by screwing Boeing or Airbus ( wonder who will be next ).
Thanks RYANAIR
I have said this before, the only way RYR can fly all these people around for nothing is by screwing somebody else, somewhere in the chain, either anothe Pax, a Supplier, an Airport, or even by screwing Boeing or Airbus ( wonder who will be next ).
Thanks RYANAIR
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I certainly do not hope it returns to the rich and famous!
I enjoy my day trips which cost less than a 200th of the price of a local bus ticket!
The problem is that the EU are not able to say to Ryanair - "you cannot fly between X and Y" as there is the free flight policy in place. Now if it was something like BA/IB at LHR where there is LIMITED space, then it may be different but Ryanair's lawyers, in MOL's terms, would 'rape' the EU if they were to refuse the the right to fly between two airports.
It will not happen in the near future that is for sure and Ryanair will, whether we like it or not, continue to grow across Europe and I would guess even further.
I just hope the second phase of the US/EU agreement comes into force as unleash Ryanair on the US - the American airlines won't know what's hit them!
Stage one of Ryanair's world domination is entering the final phases and I expect the USA to be MOL's next target - maybe his retirement plan...
I enjoy my day trips which cost less than a 200th of the price of a local bus ticket!
The problem is that the EU are not able to say to Ryanair - "you cannot fly between X and Y" as there is the free flight policy in place. Now if it was something like BA/IB at LHR where there is LIMITED space, then it may be different but Ryanair's lawyers, in MOL's terms, would 'rape' the EU if they were to refuse the the right to fly between two airports.
It will not happen in the near future that is for sure and Ryanair will, whether we like it or not, continue to grow across Europe and I would guess even further.
I just hope the second phase of the US/EU agreement comes into force as unleash Ryanair on the US - the American airlines won't know what's hit them!
Stage one of Ryanair's world domination is entering the final phases and I expect the USA to be MOL's next target - maybe his retirement plan...
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Ryanair's biggest non-bases
Hinew ppruner,
I was just wondering with small bases such as Pescara or Bari or even Knock, how come Ryanair don`t take advantage of the existing airports they fly to where multiple routes are being announced or extended, such as Santander, Venice-Treviso, Carcassonne Salvaza or Paris-Beauvais Tille?
Because of the huge markets Ryanair have created, are they not realising that Air France or Alitalia or even Iberia could actually come into the market and actually make something out of the oppertunities they are missing. For example AF Paris Beauvais to Lyon or Carcassonne to Orly, Treviso to Rome Fiumicino with Alitalia or Santander to Gatwick/Heathrow on Iberia.
Surely Ryanair have more sense than that if they are not taking the full advantage of wide open oppertunities because it only ends with MOL taking it out on the CEO's of the competitor airlines that they are ripping people off
I was just wondering with small bases such as Pescara or Bari or even Knock, how come Ryanair don`t take advantage of the existing airports they fly to where multiple routes are being announced or extended, such as Santander, Venice-Treviso, Carcassonne Salvaza or Paris-Beauvais Tille?
Because of the huge markets Ryanair have created, are they not realising that Air France or Alitalia or even Iberia could actually come into the market and actually make something out of the oppertunities they are missing. For example AF Paris Beauvais to Lyon or Carcassonne to Orly, Treviso to Rome Fiumicino with Alitalia or Santander to Gatwick/Heathrow on Iberia.
Surely Ryanair have more sense than that if they are not taking the full advantage of wide open oppertunities because it only ends with MOL taking it out on the CEO's of the competitor airlines that they are ripping people off
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Ryanair El Prat-Madrid
If we look at Alicante-Madrid (both airports are FR base) where Ryanair launched some time ago, the timings are extremely early and extremely late. Ie not perfect timings for the business traveller to make a day trip. Reading between the lines it would lead to think that AENA only offered Ryanair preferential fees on timings that dont allow Ryanair to get at the core customer base of Iberia, I may be wrong.
But if that is so, flying El Prat-Madrid would probably mean that Ryanair does an Alicante Madrid style operation, or be faced with high fees, El Prat would be unlikely to offer Ryanair anythink special to go onto an already busy route?
I dont see this route happening..
EI-BUD
But if that is so, flying El Prat-Madrid would probably mean that Ryanair does an Alicante Madrid style operation, or be faced with high fees, El Prat would be unlikely to offer Ryanair anythink special to go onto an already busy route?
I dont see this route happening..
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I dont see this route happening..
If we look at Alicante-Madrid (both airports are FR base) where Ryanair launched some time ago, the timings are extremely early and extremely late. Ie not perfect timings for the business traveller to make a day trip. Reading between the lines it would lead to think that AENA only offered Ryanair preferential fees on timings that dont allow Ryanair to get at the core customer base of Iberia, I may be wrong.
But if that is so, flying El Prat-Madrid would probably mean that Ryanair does an Alicante Madrid style operation, or be faced with high fees, El Prat would be unlikely to offer Ryanair anythink special to go onto an already busy route?
But if that is so, flying El Prat-Madrid would probably mean that Ryanair does an Alicante Madrid style operation, or be faced with high fees, El Prat would be unlikely to offer Ryanair anythink special to go onto an already busy route?
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EI-BUD,
A greater number of early morning and late evening departures is a feature of many Spanish domestic routes with multiple daily departures. The afternoon (siesta time, after all!) has always tended to be less busy. Public transport to/from airports reflects this, too. For example, the last metro from T4 at Barajas to the city leaves at 1.33 am.
In any case, if you look at next summer's schedule you'll find up to four flights a day between Madrid and Alicante in each direction. Indeed, as I left my Stansted-Madrid flight recently at around noon the passengers queuing to board this 'plane were bound for Alicante.
I really hope Madrid-Alicante/Valencia etc. works for Ryanair. For too many years I've been ripped-off by Iberia on the Madrid-Alicante route. At one point I thought the arrival of Spanair on the route would make a real difference. Some chance!
My understanding is that Iberia has already shown the white flag. Hasn't it announced that it will withdraw from the domestic market? Either that or transfer the operation to Vueling, which it was doing anyway (to Clickair)?
I do not think Ryanair need to worry about Renfe's AVE trains. Average fares on these services are high and don't look dissimilar to those for Iberia's flights between the same cities.
In addition to this, Adif (the body which runs Spanish train stations) x-rays all luggage airline-style and I've seen long queues of people queuing to board Renfe long-distance trains.
A greater number of early morning and late evening departures is a feature of many Spanish domestic routes with multiple daily departures. The afternoon (siesta time, after all!) has always tended to be less busy. Public transport to/from airports reflects this, too. For example, the last metro from T4 at Barajas to the city leaves at 1.33 am.
In any case, if you look at next summer's schedule you'll find up to four flights a day between Madrid and Alicante in each direction. Indeed, as I left my Stansted-Madrid flight recently at around noon the passengers queuing to board this 'plane were bound for Alicante.
I really hope Madrid-Alicante/Valencia etc. works for Ryanair. For too many years I've been ripped-off by Iberia on the Madrid-Alicante route. At one point I thought the arrival of Spanair on the route would make a real difference. Some chance!
My understanding is that Iberia has already shown the white flag. Hasn't it announced that it will withdraw from the domestic market? Either that or transfer the operation to Vueling, which it was doing anyway (to Clickair)?
I do not think Ryanair need to worry about Renfe's AVE trains. Average fares on these services are high and don't look dissimilar to those for Iberia's flights between the same cities.
In addition to this, Adif (the body which runs Spanish train stations) x-rays all luggage airline-style and I've seen long queues of people queuing to board Renfe long-distance trains.
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In relation to El Prat, let's not forget the strong hostility felt by many Catalans towards anything Spanish.
I'm speculating here, but I wouldn't be surprised if some Catalans would be happy to see Ryanair give Iberia a bloody nose!
My understanding is that Catalans regarded Vueling as "theirs"; presumably they feel differently about the airline now that Iberia has such a stake in it.
I'm speculating here, but I wouldn't be surprised if some Catalans would be happy to see Ryanair give Iberia a bloody nose!
My understanding is that Catalans regarded Vueling as "theirs"; presumably they feel differently about the airline now that Iberia has such a stake in it.
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Random observation, but looking at the Ryanair fleet, just noticed that they use all letters (ex: EI-EBA to EI-EBZ) except Q and U (No EI-EBQ or EI-EBU). Any special reason for that?
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FYI AENA/IB
Just to refer to a previous point, AENA is a state owned company IB is not. It's a private company listed on Bolsa de Madrid IBEX35 with main shareholders being Caja Madrid(bank), BA, El Corte ingles and the government have about 5% through Sociedad Estatal de Participaciones Industriales.
Just to refer to a previous point, AENA is a state owned company IB is not. It's a private company listed on Bolsa de Madrid IBEX35 with main shareholders being Caja Madrid(bank), BA, El Corte ingles and the government have about 5% through Sociedad Estatal de Participaciones Industriales.
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Ryanair may start decent in 2011
Ryanair Issues Fresh Ultimatum To Boeing
Post 2011 Ryanair may not be buying any new planes. This will free up cash to start returning it to the shareholders. In effect the market capital of the firm could start to reduce in a controlled way. later I expect they would sell of planes as the reached 7-10 years old. Slowly they could cut out the less profitable parts of the network where eco taxes and higher fuel cost bite most. He could easily reduce the airline to about half its current size by 2016.
Post 2011 Ryanair may not be buying any new planes. This will free up cash to start returning it to the shareholders. In effect the market capital of the firm could start to reduce in a controlled way. later I expect they would sell of planes as the reached 7-10 years old. Slowly they could cut out the less profitable parts of the network where eco taxes and higher fuel cost bite most. He could easily reduce the airline to about half its current size by 2016.
"Around mid- to end-2011 we'll be looking at very substantial senior management bonuses and distributions to shareholders, in that order," O'Leary said. "I think I'm worth it."
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If the deal with FR falls through then my financial advisor will be hearing from me! I want some shares!
Confirmation he doesn't plan to retire any time soon?
"Around mid- to end-2011 we'll be looking at very substantial senior management bonuses and distributions to shareholders, in that order," O'Leary said. "I think I'm worth it."
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Confirmation that he is enticing shareholders to stick with him until mid to end 2011 with the carrot of dividends. Without this cunning move the Ryanair share price would undoubtedly start to creep south. Now moderately concerned rather than slightly concerned.
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