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Post on another forum suggests that that Cobham aircraft may decamp to Leeming in the New Year. It suggests that this may to be uncertainity around ability to keep runway open/de-icing etc rather than any other more permanent problem.
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The road to the south side you refer to is the proposed road from the A67 across wilkinsons farm to the southern boundary of the "business park" It was a ransom strip purchased on Peels behalf by the now defunct RDA, if anyone wants to build on the south side they need to do a deal on that bit of land which I think will still be owned by the taxpayer.
Wally was right when he flogged CFS and was right about tin sheds too, which was always Peels plan, develop a business park for ostensibly aviation related development.Pity the recession got in the way
I give the airport 6 to 9 months . No-one is likely to come to the rescue in the current climate
The road to the south side you refer to is the proposed road from the A67 across wilkinsons farm to the southern boundary of the "business park" It was a ransom strip purchased on Peels behalf by the now defunct RDA, if anyone wants to build on the south side they need to do a deal on that bit of land which I think will still be owned by the taxpayer.
Wally was right when he flogged CFS and was right about tin sheds too, which was always Peels plan, develop a business park for ostensibly aviation related development.Pity the recession got in the way
I give the airport 6 to 9 months . No-one is likely to come to the rescue in the current climate
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Cobham have made no secret of the fact they don't want to be seen coming out or going into a military airfield so I can't see them moving to Leeming, especially since Leeming's future isn't all that much better than DTVAs.
What worries me is despite them moving out for Winter, if they find operating out of Bournemouth / Newcastle is easier than they anticipated, what's to stop them from not coming back?
What worries me is despite them moving out for Winter, if they find operating out of Bournemouth / Newcastle is easier than they anticipated, what's to stop them from not coming back?
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Take the wider picture on the state of the UK's airports. There is EDI, STN and Manston up for sale. Rumours abound about 2 more and then there was Plymouth which closed this week, Woodford and Filton too.
There is only so much money with investors and clearly the return on capital employed will drive decision making.
THere some sites which even given away are money pits and others that scrape along.
Given that Ferovial fought tooth and nail to hang onto the two airports they have to sell, there must be healthy returns to be had.
This will put a premium on them so can you see heavy hitters even noticing Middleton St George? And if either an underfunded or over geared bidder came along would they pass due diligence?
I know this is all doom and gloom and little comfort that there'll be others, but this is the reality that a severe recession bordering on a Depression brings.
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There is only so much money with investors and clearly the return on capital employed will drive decision making.
THere some sites which even given away are money pits and others that scrape along.
Given that Ferovial fought tooth and nail to hang onto the two airports they have to sell, there must be healthy returns to be had.
This will put a premium on them so can you see heavy hitters even noticing Middleton St George? And if either an underfunded or over geared bidder came along would they pass due diligence?
I know this is all doom and gloom and little comfort that there'll be others, but this is the reality that a severe recession bordering on a Depression brings.
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Please may I ask a couple of questions with regard to the Cobham Falcons. Although I know that they have been operating from Teesside for a number of years now in support of the RAF there does in my mind seem to be a vauge veil of secrecy surounding their presence and operations at Teesside, well as far as the General Public goes at least. My immediate neighbours seem to think they are either Holiday Flights or Biz Jets as they pass over our area on a daily basis. Has there ever been a "Feature" on Cobham's in any of the local Rags and their "valuable" contribution both to the Airport's viability and indeed our national security. Secondly, just what do the Falcons do after they roar over Stockton and out over the coast to return a couple of hours later in what must be a very expensive operation. Also do other NATO air forces have a similar arrangement with a "civilian" operator ?.
Apologies if this post side tracks the main content of this thread.
Apologies if this post side tracks the main content of this thread.
I don't think there's a veil of secrecy - they certainly don't hide what they do (see link below)
Cobham plc :: Mission Systems, Aviation Services
Number of other NATO forces have similar relationships with civilian firms - certainly the Dutch (Skyline aviation) and the Germans (GFD)
Cobham plc :: Mission Systems, Aviation Services
Number of other NATO forces have similar relationships with civilian firms - certainly the Dutch (Skyline aviation) and the Germans (GFD)
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Thanks for the link SWBKCB although it dosen't tell us much, only that Cobham DTV provides Warfare Training which is presumably something to do with those underwing pods carried by the Falcons. Which my neighbour thinks are "petrol tanks" !!. Now if someone in the know could give us a typical "mission profile" as to just what happens during one of those 2 hour flights that would be nice.
FRL Falcons-Who is paying?
Interesting point re the falcons..although there is no flying as the RAF are on holiday! What is the point of moving them all to Bournemoiuth? Interesting to see when/if they come back.
Obviously they had massive disruption last year re the snow and cant afford to take the commercial risk again? Im sure after the events of the last 12 months the snow/ice clearing capabilities of the airport have been somewhat diminshed? Bet KLM and Eastern are watching the skies with interest.
Also do you think cobhams have come to some financial agreement with DTV..who is actually paying for the detachment down south? Im sure that wont be part of the contract..or are Cobs absorbing!! Not a good working/financial arrangement me thinks.
Also i see according to DTV movements the calibrator has gone to Newcastle for the the xmas period... interesting few months ahead.
Obviously they had massive disruption last year re the snow and cant afford to take the commercial risk again? Im sure after the events of the last 12 months the snow/ice clearing capabilities of the airport have been somewhat diminshed? Bet KLM and Eastern are watching the skies with interest.
Also do you think cobhams have come to some financial agreement with DTV..who is actually paying for the detachment down south? Im sure that wont be part of the contract..or are Cobs absorbing!! Not a good working/financial arrangement me thinks.
Also i see according to DTV movements the calibrator has gone to Newcastle for the the xmas period... interesting few months ahead.
Falcons it might be the wind gusting 45 plus and varying, not to good if you are not parked into wind. Also the ground staff might all be on holiday for the two weeks, we seem to have forgotten about the engineers and office staff. Staff at DTV might be on holiday whilst the staff at Bournmouth have many other things to do and might not close.
Another question is , who owns hangar 360 Cobham or the airport?
Another question is , who owns hangar 360 Cobham or the airport?
Local airports 'to double their capacity in next 40 years’ - Telegraph
From 3 million?
Another gem -
Somebody doesn't know their @rse from their elbow.
Quality fact checking from the journo as well...
The number passing through Teesside airport is projected to increase from three million to 10 million a year
Another gem -
Significant expansion is also expected at Plymouth, which is likely to see its passenger numbers quadruple to four million a year by 2050.
Quality fact checking from the journo as well...
The normal reliable DTVM site has the following departure information
19/12
G-FRAU Falcon 20 AWAY Aspirin 3 1315 To Bournemouth
G-FRAH Falcon 20 AWAY Aspirin 2 1325 To Bournemouth
G-FRAS Falcon 20 AWAY Aspirin 1 1325 To Bournemouth
21/12
G-FRAP Falcon 20 AWAY Rushton 99 0850 To Bournemouth
G-FRAW Falcon 20 AWAY Rushton 92 0853 To Bournemouth
and arrival details at BOH are listed on the following link:
Bournemouth Airport Spotters - SBS Reports December 2011
Would be interested in details of when they came back if they are hangared at MME.
19/12
G-FRAU Falcon 20 AWAY Aspirin 3 1315 To Bournemouth
G-FRAH Falcon 20 AWAY Aspirin 2 1325 To Bournemouth
G-FRAS Falcon 20 AWAY Aspirin 1 1325 To Bournemouth
21/12
G-FRAP Falcon 20 AWAY Rushton 99 0850 To Bournemouth
G-FRAW Falcon 20 AWAY Rushton 92 0853 To Bournemouth
and arrival details at BOH are listed on the following link:
Bournemouth Airport Spotters - SBS Reports December 2011
Would be interested in details of when they came back if they are hangared at MME.
Latest I can find on the baby money is a ruling on 06/05/2010 by the Court of Appeal which said that the damages should be the money the Airport would have received had baby remained and operated its normal services for the remaining eight years of the contract.
It went on to say that "if the parties can’t agree on the level of damages, the Court will determine the sum itself in a further hearing". The original judgement had been that the contract had been too uncertain to allow damages to be determined, as did not contain any details to show many times each aircraft had to fly each day or to which destinations.
Interestingly, the case seems to have been brought by Durham Tees Valley Airport Limited, described as part of the Peel Airports Group.
It went on to say that "if the parties can’t agree on the level of damages, the Court will determine the sum itself in a further hearing". The original judgement had been that the contract had been too uncertain to allow damages to be determined, as did not contain any details to show many times each aircraft had to fly each day or to which destinations.
Interestingly, the case seems to have been brought by Durham Tees Valley Airport Limited, described as part of the Peel Airports Group.
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Re the hangars
The roofs to the hangars were meant to be repaired around the time Peel took the airport over, my understanding is that money had been set aside by the airport itself at the time of the change of ownership! Peel as I understand then used the cash toward the resurfacing of aprons and taxiways and replacing lights! All of which were needed when they took over. Basically this is part of the fabled £x million they were to invest in the airport!
As a point of the stupidity of Peel, the taxiway they resurfaced, soon after taking over the airport, was 15m wide, they only resurfaced the middle 10m! This when the whole lot really needed it!
To be honest I want to see a Public Enquiry on the airport. You may think me stupid but the miss managament of MME goes back to the Local Authoruty ownership and continues through to Peel and as a tax payer ok not directly but indirectly of the local authorities that had control of the airport I want to know what happened to the money and what guarantees they had on the operation of the airport.
As a point of the stupidity of Peel, the taxiway they resurfaced, soon after taking over the airport, was 15m wide, they only resurfaced the middle 10m! This when the whole lot really needed it!
To be honest I want to see a Public Enquiry on the airport. You may think me stupid but the miss managament of MME goes back to the Local Authoruty ownership and continues through to Peel and as a tax payer ok not directly but indirectly of the local authorities that had control of the airport I want to know what happened to the money and what guarantees they had on the operation of the airport.
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Peel, all the Falcons are at Bournemouth. This was decided after last years issues with the inability of the management to keep the airport operational last winter. The King Air which is on standby for Heathrow was positioned to Newcastle for the same reasons.
All aircraft are planned to return to DTVA in the New Year to continue to operate from DTVA as normal.
All aircraft are planned to return to DTVA in the New Year to continue to operate from DTVA as normal.
PEEL and falcons
Interested to know where you obtained your facts from? You seemed so sure?
as noted elsewhere..Falcons in Bournemouth returning soon?
calibrator also returning after Xmas detachment in Newcastle
still wondering how this effects the contracts though!!
as noted elsewhere..Falcons in Bournemouth returning soon?
calibrator also returning after Xmas detachment in Newcastle
still wondering how this effects the contracts though!!
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Local airports 'to double their capacity in next 40 years’ - Telegraph
Another gem -
Somebody doesn't know their @rse from their elbow.
Quality fact checking from the journo as well...
Another gem -
Somebody doesn't know their @rse from their elbow.
Quality fact checking from the journo as well...