DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
Call me mad but my money is still on Ryanair opening a base at MME. The FR map has a big gap in the North East and MME would fill it well. Just about the whole of the UK seems covered with FR bases now, all within reasonable distance except the North East. That allong with the fact that MME Management would probably be willing to do the kind of deal M'ol likes, I don't think it will be long.
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LBA isn't in the North east, it's main task for ryanair is to take trafic from MAN, as is LPL. MME would serve a different catchment area. There are many routes that are only run on a seasonable bases to and from many of the bases. there are also many possible year round destinations that they could run from MME.
Just because Leeds isnt classed as 'North East' doesnt mean that the flights from LBA wouldnt serve the Tees Valley region too. I cannot see them ever operating a base next to LBA, particularly to one which has a relatively small catchment area itself like MME.
I think its time to look towards the charter carriers when things pick up. BMIbaby proved there is no scope for significant lo-co expansion already.
It would also be able to carry ALC and GRO year round at least to warrant a base.
I think its time to look towards the charter carriers when things pick up. BMIbaby proved there is no scope for significant lo-co expansion already.
It would also be able to carry ALC and GRO year round at least to warrant a base.
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Just because BMI Baby can't make a base work doesn't mean Ryanair can't.
Baby are in a mess cos they don't seem to make it work at all. A Ryanair base at MME would serve the "North east", not the tees valley. let's wait and see.
I agree, ALC and GRO would work all year round. These are presently oporated with aircraft from those respective bases. Over the winter, I think you will find that ryanair put the aircraft on routes that pay more.
Baby are in a mess cos they don't seem to make it work at all. A Ryanair base at MME would serve the "North east", not the tees valley. let's wait and see.
I agree, ALC and GRO would work all year round. These are presently oporated with aircraft from those respective bases. Over the winter, I think you will find that ryanair put the aircraft on routes that pay more.
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Sadly Ryanair could not sustain a daily Dublin all year round, nor ALC and GRO . Flyglobespan could not make it work. BmiBaby could not make it work. Is there any reason to think someone else could? Where are the people of Teesside?
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How can you honestly think Ryanair would want to set up a base at DTV. Have you been reading this thread over the last 6 months?
As rpmac as previously said, Globespan and BMI baby couldn't make it work so how could Ryanair? B738's are hard to fill, day in, day out, at a small airport like DTV. Even the Dublin route wasn't sustainable.
Look at the current conditions facing the industry and your airport. Introduction of APD and pax numbrers -58%
Time to take your head out the clouds
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As rpmac as previously said, Globespan and BMI baby couldn't make it work so how could Ryanair? B738's are hard to fill, day in, day out, at a small airport like DTV. Even the Dublin route wasn't sustainable.
Look at the current conditions facing the industry and your airport. Introduction of APD and pax numbrers -58%
Time to take your head out the clouds
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I agree with what ops guy has said. I believe that MME's management should have stuck by the charter companies which operated before BMIBaby came in. If i remember correctly MME had quite a good charter programme? BMIbaby came in and messed it up, leaving all the eggs in one basket and then for Baby to pull out down the line. Its obvious the routes offered reached saturation point, problem is Peel have overestimated the demand, much like they have at DSA, hence why they are trying to distance themselves from those to concentrate on LPL now. 
As a result of the retreat of the charter routes, the airport has lost out to NCL in that respect now. Great shame realy.
As a result of the retreat of the charter routes, the airport has lost out to NCL in that respect now. Great shame realy.
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Maybe Ryanair might not base at MME, but there maybe more flights from other bases. Load factor to ALC has never been below something like 85% during the summer (95% load factor in August), even with a 6.40am departure from ALC and all the competition from nearby airports! So when they open a new base in Malaga and Palma, MME might be chosen as a destination
'mmeman' that seems far more plausable. In all, if those routes worked year round, and thats all of them listed above!, then it may encourage FR to consider a based aircraft and to add some more routes to increase utilisation. Until then i will stick by my origional opinion.
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Ops Guy, Not my airport mate. As far as the DUB is concerned, the NCL DUB has been seriously cut as well. Does that mean NCL is dead too? Get a grip.
Ryanair don't find it too dificult to fill 800's, they are doing a prety good job with the 202 they have allready and I'm sure they will manage to fill the 55 comming soon. As I have already said, just because baby & Globespan can't make MME work doesn't mean FR couldn't
I am pleased that I have livend up the Teesside thread anyway, I have made my bet, now let's just wait and see.
Ryanair don't find it too dificult to fill 800's, they are doing a prety good job with the 202 they have allready and I'm sure they will manage to fill the 55 comming soon. As I have already said, just because baby & Globespan can't make MME work doesn't mean FR couldn't
I am pleased that I have livend up the Teesside thread anyway, I have made my bet, now let's just wait and see.
BALLSOUT, do you work for FR per chance?
Do you not find it funny that, despite MoL's excuse about DUB charges for pulling (weak performing) routes, that many other airports retained their routes to DUB with FR. I ask you, if it wasnt the marginal performance of said routes which resulted in them getting the chop, what exactly was it?
Do you not find it funny that, despite MoL's excuse about DUB charges for pulling (weak performing) routes, that many other airports retained their routes to DUB with FR. I ask you, if it wasnt the marginal performance of said routes which resulted in them getting the chop, what exactly was it?
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Passenger figures suggest that 300,000 may not be reached this year.But Eastern with the Southampton route and Onur with a flight to Bodrum suggest that we may have reached the bottom of the cycle and figures are set to recover, albeit slightly, next year.
See Papa Oscar..no whingeing or whining just a view from the outside world.If as I imagine you are part of the management team look out for me on the ALC 01/12/09. With MME track record I would imagine you will even get the gender wrong.
See Papa Oscar..no whingeing or whining just a view from the outside world.If as I imagine you are part of the management team look out for me on the ALC 01/12/09. With MME track record I would imagine you will even get the gender wrong.
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Apparently 'new flights for next summer' to be announced in the next couple of weeks, according to Emma Omerod from MME. Was in local paper's business section yesterday.
Is this just announcing what we already know - FR to GRO and ALC, TOM to PMI, Turkey flights etc? Or Can we expect something new?
Also, Holidays 4 U announced an extra Bodrum flight next summer, operating on Monday mornings with Onur Air.
Is this just announcing what we already know - FR to GRO and ALC, TOM to PMI, Turkey flights etc? Or Can we expect something new?
Also, Holidays 4 U announced an extra Bodrum flight next summer, operating on Monday mornings with Onur Air.
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wow what's going on?looks like the MME management has finally sorted themselves out!!
Don't know if this is the 'more route news' as promised or if more is around the corner but definitely the minimum expansion to prove that MME has a future and to at least keep in line with the likes of HUY.
As for any further expansion, I wouldn't be surprised by TOM doing a few W pattern routes to the usual suspects of AGP, TFS and FAO to supplement the W pattern to PMI and the FR routes to ALC and GRO.
Just hope the sad news about Corus doesn't have too much of a detrimental effect on DTVA, especially the AMS route.
Don't know if this is the 'more route news' as promised or if more is around the corner but definitely the minimum expansion to prove that MME has a future and to at least keep in line with the likes of HUY.
As for any further expansion, I wouldn't be surprised by TOM doing a few W pattern routes to the usual suspects of AGP, TFS and FAO to supplement the W pattern to PMI and the FR routes to ALC and GRO.
Just hope the sad news about Corus doesn't have too much of a detrimental effect on DTVA, especially the AMS route.