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Interesting...but I bet the duty free over a year,rent etc. doesn't amount to a lot less than Sycamore? so basically squits?
still quiet on the PEEL front...no follow up announcement re the failure of the bid...is it just me.. but I just have no faith in Peel or their policies...Anyone watching this or reading the excellent threads from all surely , have no faith in them as an airport operator???
Please local councils ...... offer a million and take back control before its too late.
still quiet on the PEEL front...no follow up announcement re the failure of the bid...is it just me.. but I just have no faith in Peel or their policies...Anyone watching this or reading the excellent threads from all surely , have no faith in them as an airport operator???
Please local councils ...... offer a million and take back control before its too late.
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Sad to say but I think KLM might decide to pull the plug, Perhaps even try from Dsa instead.
They still have yet to announce this years ' third' UK airport!.
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They still have yet to announce this years ' third' UK airport!.
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I have re edited it now lol. I was half asleep trying to write on a mobile app.
Between my overtired rambling state and the phones seemimg desire to turn every word into whatever the hell it chooses .....
Anyway MME it is a shame things have gone that far.
Ive driven up there , About the only advert as such are the odd road sign.
Perhaps its future lies in dismantling and maybe a business jet hub.
But as posted above , Perhaps Klm might end up moving on.....
Between my overtired rambling state and the phones seemimg desire to turn every word into whatever the hell it chooses .....
Anyway MME it is a shame things have gone that far.
Ive driven up there , About the only advert as such are the odd road sign.
Perhaps its future lies in dismantling and maybe a business jet hub.
But as posted above , Perhaps Klm might end up moving on.....
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It's political. The airshow traffic and the organisation responsible for arranging the airshow have been offered the services at DTVA at a cost cheaper than Newcastle, but due to Sunderland having a financial interest in Newcastle, the airshow traffic are placed at Newcastle.
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Seems Shaun Wilkinson/Teesside Flight Training/Euro Exec Aviation/Cloud 9 Leasing isn't having much luck in aviation!
Last time I saw the aircraft at DTV, it's rudder was flapping around in the wind banging off its stops.
Last time I saw the aircraft at DTV, it's rudder was flapping around in the wind banging off its stops.
Looked a simple recovery, lift the wing pull down the gear clear the runway, swill a bit of foam. Its sat on stand 7 awaiting a decision.
I hear the spitfire had problems at Newcastle, luckily it made it back.
I hear the spitfire had problems at Newcastle, luckily it made it back.
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Peter Nears objects
Only news from Peel is that Peter Nears objects to a wind turbine in darlington.
Wind turbine campaigners sense victory after airport objection (From The Northern Echo)
"In a letter to the planning authority, Darlington Borough Council, the airport’s strategic planning director Peter Nears said the turbine was likely to show up on radar systems.
He wrote: “This effect can be highly distracting for a controller and can cause confusion when trying to distinguish between real aircraft and false targets."
Real aircraft eh, now thats funny coming from the DTV planning man
Wind turbine campaigners sense victory after airport objection (From The Northern Echo)
"In a letter to the planning authority, Darlington Borough Council, the airport’s strategic planning director Peter Nears said the turbine was likely to show up on radar systems.
He wrote: “This effect can be highly distracting for a controller and can cause confusion when trying to distinguish between real aircraft and false targets."
Real aircraft eh, now thats funny coming from the DTV planning man
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World Duty Free
So no mention on here then about World Duty Free pulling out of the airport once it's franchise expires in October!
I can not see anyone else taking up the franchise to run the duty free especially at this time and so I think it will probably have to be run inhouse by the airport at least they can keep ALL the earnings from the shop then.
I can not see anyone else taking up the franchise to run the duty free especially at this time and so I think it will probably have to be run inhouse by the airport at least they can keep ALL the earnings from the shop then.
canberra - you probably know more about the commercial aspects of airport duty free than me, but as far as I can tell, now that the Tenerife route has been dropped, the only regular flight from DTV to anywhere outside the EU is a summer seasonal weekly flight to Jersey with less than 900 outbound passengers in the whole of 2012. Thus spirits and tobacco are unlikely to have much in the way of sales. Perfume is the only thing remaining significantly worthwhile. All other destinations are in the EU, making it much harder to generate any significant savings over the UK High Street.
Is there really still a commercial need for a duty free shop at DTV ?
Is there really still a commercial need for a duty free shop at DTV ?
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June 2013 CAA stats
Overall message - small pockets of good news, but also seeing a fair bit of pain as a byproduct of Easyjet launching new routes at Newcastle
Aberdeen - DTV had a small improvement but Newcastle had a big improvement
Amsterdam - very pronounced shift by KLM customers away from DTV in favour of Newcastle, even after making allowances for Easyjet
Jersey - significant decline against strong growth at Newcastle
Palma - pax number slightly increase despite being moved to a less-than-ideal day of the week - surprisingly resilient
DTV had 13,771 pax in June, down 7.3 % on June 2012 - loss equates to 1,084 pax
DTV rolling year has 162,727 pax
NCL had 488,442 pax in June, up 1.2 % on June 2012 - gain equates to 5,668 pax
NCL rolling year has 4,387,443 pax
In June 2012, for every 1 passenger at DTV, there were 32.5 passengers at NCL
In June 2013, for every 1 passenger at DTV, there were 35.5 passengers at NCL
As an additional reference, in June 2009 (i.e. post credit crunch), for every 1 passenger at DTV, there were 16.2 passengers at NCL
Aberdeen route for June
DTV - 2,795 pax, up 11% from 2,519 pax, meaning a gain of 276 passengers
NCL - 2,552 pax, up 44% from 1,777 pax, meaning a gain of 775 passengers
Jersey route for June
DTV - 503 pax, down 17% from 604 pax, meaning a loss of 101 passengers
NCL - 2,680 pax, up 42% from 1,886 pax, meaning a gain of 794 passengers
There were 5 Saturdays in both June 2012 and June 2013. Easyjet begain flying NCL-JER in March 2013 and there now appears to be a significant oversupply of seats (and perhaps some aspect of price war ?) between Jersey and NE England - at least one of Flybe or Easyjet will be feeling pain. NCL-JER load factor in June 2013 was 75% while DTV-JER load factor has fallen from 77% to 64%
Palma route for June
DTV - 1,495 pax, down 19% from 1,843 pax meaning a loss of 348 passengers
DTV (allowing for days in month) - up 1%
NCL - 40,944 pax, up 5% from 39,175 pax meaning a gain of 1,769 passengers
Palma analysis:
Palma was on Saturdays in 2012 (5x in June 2012), but now Tuesdays (4x in June 2013). Going from 184 pax in June 2012 to 187 pax per flight in June 2013 *and* going from a leisure-friendly Saturday to a leisure-challenging Tuesday with seat occupancy now at 99%, suggests there's demand for more flights to Spanish beaches - these are encouraging signs for the Alicante route in summer 2014
Amsterdam route for June
DTV - 8,433 pax, down 4% from 8,819 pax meaning a loss of 386 passengers
NCL - 31,709 pax, up 32% from 24,016 pax meaning a gain of 7,693 passengers
NCL KLM-only (my estimate) - 26,941 pax, up 12% from 24,016 pax meaning a gain of 2,925 passengers
Note - Easyjet began NCL-AMS in Dec 2012, flying 4x weekly in June 2013
Amsterdam analysis:
DTV-AMS load factor has fallen from 65% to 62%
On a Europe-wide basis, Easyjet saw a load factor in June of 89.9%
Easyjet flew NCL-AMS on 17 days in June. Using, a 156-seat A319 with 89.9% load factor (ie average of 140 pax turn up for a flight), we get 4,768 passengers, which falls far short of the NCL-AMS route being up by 7,693 passengers - this tells us KLM are seeing passenger numbers up by 12% on the NCL-AMS route, in contrast to DTV-AMS being down 4%
Even if we assume Easyjet had a 100% load factor, KLM are still seeing NCL doing 10% better year-on-year compared to 4% worse at DTV
While Easyjet and KLM have very different products, there is overlap for customers travelling point-to-point between NE England and the Netherlands - this may have led KLM on the NCL route (but probably less so on the DTV route) to lower prices slightly or perhaps improve their product offering to defend market share - thus stimulating growth on NCL-AMS and also sucking some passengers from DTV towards NCL
KLM is seeing a very clear shift in emphasis by the overall passenger base away from MME to NCL, even if Easyjet are seeing 100% load factors on their NCL-AMS route.
Aberdeen - DTV had a small improvement but Newcastle had a big improvement
Amsterdam - very pronounced shift by KLM customers away from DTV in favour of Newcastle, even after making allowances for Easyjet
Jersey - significant decline against strong growth at Newcastle
Palma - pax number slightly increase despite being moved to a less-than-ideal day of the week - surprisingly resilient
DTV had 13,771 pax in June, down 7.3 % on June 2012 - loss equates to 1,084 pax
DTV rolling year has 162,727 pax
NCL had 488,442 pax in June, up 1.2 % on June 2012 - gain equates to 5,668 pax
NCL rolling year has 4,387,443 pax
In June 2012, for every 1 passenger at DTV, there were 32.5 passengers at NCL
In June 2013, for every 1 passenger at DTV, there were 35.5 passengers at NCL
As an additional reference, in June 2009 (i.e. post credit crunch), for every 1 passenger at DTV, there were 16.2 passengers at NCL
Aberdeen route for June
DTV - 2,795 pax, up 11% from 2,519 pax, meaning a gain of 276 passengers
NCL - 2,552 pax, up 44% from 1,777 pax, meaning a gain of 775 passengers
Jersey route for June
DTV - 503 pax, down 17% from 604 pax, meaning a loss of 101 passengers
NCL - 2,680 pax, up 42% from 1,886 pax, meaning a gain of 794 passengers
There were 5 Saturdays in both June 2012 and June 2013. Easyjet begain flying NCL-JER in March 2013 and there now appears to be a significant oversupply of seats (and perhaps some aspect of price war ?) between Jersey and NE England - at least one of Flybe or Easyjet will be feeling pain. NCL-JER load factor in June 2013 was 75% while DTV-JER load factor has fallen from 77% to 64%
Palma route for June
DTV - 1,495 pax, down 19% from 1,843 pax meaning a loss of 348 passengers
DTV (allowing for days in month) - up 1%
NCL - 40,944 pax, up 5% from 39,175 pax meaning a gain of 1,769 passengers
Palma analysis:
Palma was on Saturdays in 2012 (5x in June 2012), but now Tuesdays (4x in June 2013). Going from 184 pax in June 2012 to 187 pax per flight in June 2013 *and* going from a leisure-friendly Saturday to a leisure-challenging Tuesday with seat occupancy now at 99%, suggests there's demand for more flights to Spanish beaches - these are encouraging signs for the Alicante route in summer 2014
Amsterdam route for June
DTV - 8,433 pax, down 4% from 8,819 pax meaning a loss of 386 passengers
NCL - 31,709 pax, up 32% from 24,016 pax meaning a gain of 7,693 passengers
NCL KLM-only (my estimate) - 26,941 pax, up 12% from 24,016 pax meaning a gain of 2,925 passengers
Note - Easyjet began NCL-AMS in Dec 2012, flying 4x weekly in June 2013
Amsterdam analysis:
DTV-AMS load factor has fallen from 65% to 62%
On a Europe-wide basis, Easyjet saw a load factor in June of 89.9%
Easyjet flew NCL-AMS on 17 days in June. Using, a 156-seat A319 with 89.9% load factor (ie average of 140 pax turn up for a flight), we get 4,768 passengers, which falls far short of the NCL-AMS route being up by 7,693 passengers - this tells us KLM are seeing passenger numbers up by 12% on the NCL-AMS route, in contrast to DTV-AMS being down 4%
Even if we assume Easyjet had a 100% load factor, KLM are still seeing NCL doing 10% better year-on-year compared to 4% worse at DTV
While Easyjet and KLM have very different products, there is overlap for customers travelling point-to-point between NE England and the Netherlands - this may have led KLM on the NCL route (but probably less so on the DTV route) to lower prices slightly or perhaps improve their product offering to defend market share - thus stimulating growth on NCL-AMS and also sucking some passengers from DTV towards NCL
KLM is seeing a very clear shift in emphasis by the overall passenger base away from MME to NCL, even if Easyjet are seeing 100% load factors on their NCL-AMS route.
Last edited by davidjohnson6; 4th Aug 2013 at 23:49. Reason: mmeman pointed out Palma was on Saturdays in 2012