DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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"Why would Peel spend £500, 000 on a hangar if they were going to close the airfield."
They are a property development company and they will develop the land it whatever way gives them the best return. And may guess looking at their past history is that it won't be an airport.
They are a property development company and they will develop the land it whatever way gives them the best return. And may guess looking at their past history is that it won't be an airport.
Cops will provide free 24hr security for Peel for 5 years while based there. Clever move by Peel.
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beafer/davidjohnson6 - I have no idea where you got that from, I can't see it in the article, but can assure you it's absolute BS! Security will be completely unaffected, the Police Helicopter operation has absolutely nothing to do with airport security
Robert - my play on beafer's imprecise use of the word 'security'
Beafer has a point in that having Mr Plod hanging around very nearby is generally a good thing for companies - people with local knowledge and a desire to misbehave tend to stay away from the immediate area meaning there's less trouble about.
Beafer has a point in that having Mr Plod hanging around very nearby is generally a good thing for companies - people with local knowledge and a desire to misbehave tend to stay away from the immediate area meaning there's less trouble about.
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Beefer, I think you have inadvertently hit on a potentially very valid point i.e. the presence of a police unit does in no way reflect the airport owners intention to continue to operate an airfield.
Following Peel's purchase of Sheffield, then the rest as they from a civil aviation point of view is history, a canny deal indeed for Peel !
Peel do the same thing at what's left of Sheffield airport and allow cops to use it as a flymo launch pad,
Following Peel's purchase of Sheffield, then the rest as they from a civil aviation point of view is history, a canny deal indeed for Peel !
Beafer has a point in that having Mr Plod hanging around very nearby is generally a good thing for companies - people with local knowledge and a desire to misbehave tend to stay away from the immediate area meaning there's less trouble about.
High-tech police helicopter damaged in Birmingham airport attack - Birmingham Mail
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The long arm of the law.
I'm sure this is one of the crew who I've seen at the airport
Dwarf dressed as copper feels short arm of the law as police confiscate baton and handcuffs during stag do stunt in York (From The Northern Echo)
Dwarf dressed as copper feels short arm of the law as police confiscate baton and handcuffs during stag do stunt in York (From The Northern Echo)
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It's the same hangar that's been talked about for the last 3-4 years and it's going inbetween hangars 1-2. It's common knowledge around the airport that the maintenance section currently located there are moving back to their old landside location to free up the space.
As for a planning application, it's basically going to be a big prefab shed, it would be insulting to call it a building, and I didn't need any planning permission for the shed I put up in my garden not too long ago!
As for a planning application, it's basically going to be a big prefab shed, it would be insulting to call it a building, and I didn't need any planning permission for the shed I put up in my garden not too long ago!
If public money is available, and it's obtained legally - what's the problem? That's what schemes like RGF are there for (and remember Peel have failed twice on this one).
What would you do if it was your company and your managers were spending your money when there are public funds available?
What would you do if it was your company and your managers were spending your money when there are public funds available?
CAA stats
September's provisional stats are out. Pretty much the same story as the last month
Sept 2013:
DTV - 14,577 pax, up 0.5% or gain of 73 pax
NCL - 484,771 pax, down 0.6% or loss of 2,969 pax
Rolling year:
DTV - 163,437 pax
NCL - 4,390,965 pax
Aberdeen:
DTV - 2,978 pax, up 1.2% or gain of 34 pax
NCL - 2,702 pax, up 44.7%, or gain of 835 pax
Note - NCL now has almost the same number of passengers as at DTV
Amsterdam:
DTV - 9,017 pax (extra 68 on charter), down 1.8% or loss of 164 pax
NCL - 31,993 pax, up 28% or gain of 6,992 pax
NCL (KLM only, my estimate) - 26,956 pax, up 7.8% or gain of 1,955 pax
NCL now has 3.5 times as many passengers as DTV on the Amsterdam route
In Sept 2013, Easyjet had a load factor of 89.7% across the network. Assuming this applies on NCL-AMS, Easyjet would have carried 5,037 pax, meaning KLM saw an extra 1,955 pax on NCL-AMS or up 7.8%. If we assume Easyjet had a perfect 100% load factor on NCL-AMS Easyjet would have carried 5,616 seats and KLM an extra 1,376 pax or up 5.5%
Once again, KLM are seeing good growth in passenger numbers on NCL-AMS and the focus of KLM's passengers in the North East is gradually moving in favour of Newcastle and away from DTV.
Palma de Mallorca:
DTV - 1,640 pax, down 11.2% or loss of 207 pax
NCL - 36,437 pax, down 5% or loss of 1,916 pax
It should be noted that unlike previous years, there will be no winter sunshine routes with Thomson from DTV. After 29 Oct, the next flight from DTV to Spain will be in May 2014.
Jersey:
DTV - 269 pax, down 11.2% or loss of 34 pax
NCL - 2,238 pax, up 11.2% or gain of 226 pax
Flights from DTV to Jersey have ended for 2013 and will resume in late May 2014
There's a handful of other small charters, but these really are very minor and I'm inclined to ignore them.
Summary:
We now have full stats up to 30 September, covering all but the very end of the summer and much of the peak season for flying. The story over the summer for passenger flights has been consistent for every single month. Like a grandparent who nurtured you as a child and you loved dearly for many years but who now lies grey-faced in a bed in a hospice still succumbing to the minor infection from months ago that could not be shaken off. DTV's life as a full service passenger airport is now slowly fading away. The best thing to do right now is make the patient comfortable and for the loving family to accept the passage of time.
Sept 2013:
DTV - 14,577 pax, up 0.5% or gain of 73 pax
NCL - 484,771 pax, down 0.6% or loss of 2,969 pax
Rolling year:
DTV - 163,437 pax
NCL - 4,390,965 pax
Aberdeen:
DTV - 2,978 pax, up 1.2% or gain of 34 pax
NCL - 2,702 pax, up 44.7%, or gain of 835 pax
Note - NCL now has almost the same number of passengers as at DTV
Amsterdam:
DTV - 9,017 pax (extra 68 on charter), down 1.8% or loss of 164 pax
NCL - 31,993 pax, up 28% or gain of 6,992 pax
NCL (KLM only, my estimate) - 26,956 pax, up 7.8% or gain of 1,955 pax
NCL now has 3.5 times as many passengers as DTV on the Amsterdam route
In Sept 2013, Easyjet had a load factor of 89.7% across the network. Assuming this applies on NCL-AMS, Easyjet would have carried 5,037 pax, meaning KLM saw an extra 1,955 pax on NCL-AMS or up 7.8%. If we assume Easyjet had a perfect 100% load factor on NCL-AMS Easyjet would have carried 5,616 seats and KLM an extra 1,376 pax or up 5.5%
Once again, KLM are seeing good growth in passenger numbers on NCL-AMS and the focus of KLM's passengers in the North East is gradually moving in favour of Newcastle and away from DTV.
Palma de Mallorca:
DTV - 1,640 pax, down 11.2% or loss of 207 pax
NCL - 36,437 pax, down 5% or loss of 1,916 pax
It should be noted that unlike previous years, there will be no winter sunshine routes with Thomson from DTV. After 29 Oct, the next flight from DTV to Spain will be in May 2014.
Jersey:
DTV - 269 pax, down 11.2% or loss of 34 pax
NCL - 2,238 pax, up 11.2% or gain of 226 pax
Flights from DTV to Jersey have ended for 2013 and will resume in late May 2014
There's a handful of other small charters, but these really are very minor and I'm inclined to ignore them.
Summary:
We now have full stats up to 30 September, covering all but the very end of the summer and much of the peak season for flying. The story over the summer for passenger flights has been consistent for every single month. Like a grandparent who nurtured you as a child and you loved dearly for many years but who now lies grey-faced in a bed in a hospice still succumbing to the minor infection from months ago that could not be shaken off. DTV's life as a full service passenger airport is now slowly fading away. The best thing to do right now is make the patient comfortable and for the loving family to accept the passage of time.
Last edited by davidjohnson6; 23rd Oct 2013 at 13:10.
Very poetic.
However to be maintaining numbers on ABZ (which means that Eastern are making money or they'd have dropped it like a stone) and AMS (when one of the largest airlines in Europe has started competing with your operator just up the road) isn't too bad.
Both operators seem to have a solid base of MME customers who are spending enough to keep them happy.
Peel need to start making the most of the rest of the airport, which should reduce the terminal sides share of the fixed costs. They might then be in a position to attract more services if and when there's an upturn.
However to be maintaining numbers on ABZ (which means that Eastern are making money or they'd have dropped it like a stone) and AMS (when one of the largest airlines in Europe has started competing with your operator just up the road) isn't too bad.
Both operators seem to have a solid base of MME customers who are spending enough to keep them happy.
Peel need to start making the most of the rest of the airport, which should reduce the terminal sides share of the fixed costs. They might then be in a position to attract more services if and when there's an upturn.
Peel accounts
As long as Peel are happy to lose money hand over fist then let it roll !! They must have a very happy(or ill informed) band of shareholders?
KLM and Eastern as you say seem to be OK and until or when Peel start squeezing the airport charges then I cant see them pulling out?
2014 looks identical to 2013...still waiting for clarification on the statement re IT flights from here however?
KLM and Eastern as you say seem to be OK and until or when Peel start squeezing the airport charges then I cant see them pulling out?
2014 looks identical to 2013...still waiting for clarification on the statement re IT flights from here however?