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Old 11th Oct 2012, 20:31
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No not a contradiction. I'm disregarding the former quote saying it's complete rubbish. I don't believe Southend damages Stansted one bit, I think it's more the case that easyJet fear it's the other way around which is why they are cutting back! They would also not lose money by doing this because they can grow in different markets like Bristol and of course Edinburgh and Manchester as we've seen today!

I hope the move is temporary and if Stansted's new owners do lower fees then I dare say EasyJet will be back in adding more flights, but at the same time, may be EasyJet won't be that bothered as it would have sort have "moved on" by this time. It's also puzzeling why they are cutting back again at a time when the new owners will be in control (which will be early next year, BAA certainly won't have Stansted in June when one aircraft will be pulled out). Why would they have already made further cuts when there is a good chance of a better relationship with Stansted after the change of ownership? Either they believe it will make no difference or they have no commitment to providing a long term, growing operation at Stansted.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 20:43
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Isn't it simple ecomonics, Southend offer xyz price over the next x years and stansted cannot. Once stansted moves on, it can once again pull EZY back into the fold?
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 22:42
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Or perhaps they feared Ryanair would get too much influence via a shareholding of some description.

My guess is Ferrovial have ruled out Ryanair as a bidder in an attempt to stop any more defections......
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 23:29
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It's simple economics

It's all about revenue. If ezy can make more money flying another route they will continent or uk based. Stn flights can be as full as you like but you can have a full flight making no money. Therefore you stop operating it. This is a major prob in stn due airport operating costs.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 07:11
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Southend is largely a sideshow and the role of Gatwick is a lot more significant in drawing airlines away. EasyJet started cutting back at Stansted before opening a base at Southend and other airlines have also cutback or closed at Stansted. In Britain easyJet obviously sees the best prospects at Gatwick, Manchester, Edinburgh and to a degree Bristol. They will get expansion. Stansted and Liverpool are likely to get cuts.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 08:48
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That's a point! Hopefull it was Ryanair's plan to take a 25% stake in Stansted that made them cut those extra flights but Ryanair have withdrawn from the sale process but I doubt it will make any difference now. If the removal of aircraft 9 was because of that then EZY were far to quick to judge and have made an unneccessary cut back if that were the case. We will see what happens in summer 2014 when the BAA sale is well out of the way and the new owners have had a chance to make some changes!

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Old 12th Oct 2012, 09:29
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Or perhaps they feared Ryanair would get too much influence via a shareholding of some description.
I very much doubt that had any impact as who has more impact on a company..........a minority shareholder or someone doing 75% of the business with it.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 13:11
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Load factors are about 80% on average for all Stansted
Meaningless. Load factors (even of 100%)are no use whatsoever if everyone is paying 50p for their seat.

Fewer people seem to understand this concept than the difference between debt and deficit!
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 14:10
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The load factor is important just to show evidence that people do want to fly on the Stansted routes, proving that it IS NOT the case that people don't want to fly from Stansted or that they are willing to pay any more to fly from other airports/cities so it's very unlikely that passenger demand is the reason for these cut backs!
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 17:01
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People will fly from the Outer Hebrides if the seats are cheap enough but that doesn't mean that the route is profitable. Easyjet would not be redeploying aircraft if they were making money.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 17:06
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Given the background of Stelios' refusal to endorse the ordering of additional aircraft, it may well be that although the STN operation is profitable, higher profits can be made elsewhere on the network.

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Old 12th Oct 2012, 19:22
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"Southend is largely a sideshow and the role of Gatwick is a lot more significant in drawing airlines away. EasyJet started cutting back at Stansted before opening a base at Southend and other airlines have also cutback or closed at Stansted. In Britain easyJet obviously sees the best prospects at Gatwick, Manchester, Edinburgh and to a degree Bristol. They will get expansion. Stansted and Liverpool are likely to get cuts."

Its interesting to see that the airports where easyJet see their prospects - Gatwick, Manchester, Edinburgh and Bristol are places where Ryanair have less of a presence. Compared to the airports where Ryanair have a large presence Stansted ,Liverpool(an exception to the rule), Birmingham and East Midlands etc where easyJet are either cutting back or have a very little service or nothing. However Liverpool is an exception as easyJet are of a reasonably large size and will be fairly stagnant there and easyJet and Ryanair seem to get on quite well here.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 20:41
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EasyJet are making big noises about servicing more business passengers in future and therefore one thing they would want to do is differentiate itself from Ryanair . In my opinion, had Ryanair been allowed to be part of the new owner set-up their influence would have seen STN ripped apart and stripped to the bone to achieve the minimum cost per passenger possible in true O'leary styleeeee.......airports are an unnecessary evil in his eyes....

Now that Ferrovial have ruled them out of the equation it will be interesting to see how things develop . MAG are desperate to get their hands on STN having missed out on Gatwick and their are others in mix. I just hope the new buyers play this long and realize Ryanair are part of the problem and not part of the solution to make STN the world class airport it was designed to be.

Double FR's charges I say.....and give them some of their own medicine .....after all, where else can they go ...?.......if they throw their toys out the pram and up sticks then at least STN rids itself of the very thing that will prevent growth when the economic wind changes direction....as it surely will.....
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 21:30
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I can somewhat see your point but any owner would be immensely stupid to step in and destroy what Stansted has achieved with Ryanair. Remember EasyJet have more from Gatwick than Ryanair does from Stansted nowadays so their is still the potential for the new owners to diversify the presence of airlines at Stansted without harming Ryanair. On that note, must be careful not to go off topic, since this is an EasyJet thread after all!
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 21:34
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For the last time it is

easyJet

Not

Easyjet

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Old 12th Oct 2012, 22:55
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For the last time it is

easyJet

Not

Easyjet
Have a look at thread title
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 00:48
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Buster - some of us still rely on the English grammar wot woz taught at school. Proper nouns have an initial capital letter, with all other letters at least in the first word either entirely lower case or, if particular emphasis is needed, entirely upper case. Just because someone in corporate marketing has dreamt up a variant of English grammar involving an unusual mix of upper and lower case does not mean the rules of English grammar should be ignored in polite company.
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 01:08
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 10:37
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Allocated seating

Any EZY web experts here? I booked a flight months ago for December. Had the e-mail now saying it's allocated seating.
Been on to manage my booking & it won't accept a seat reservation even though it invites me to do so.
The 5p a minute scam line just goes onto hold & no one answers.
So, can someone either enlighten me or PM me an e-mail or contact info.Thanks.
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 10:48
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Is your flight within the next 30 days as you can only check in 30 days before departure now.
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