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Old 10th Aug 2016, 09:34
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Very disappointing but it was always "use it or lose it" and there are some very poor double figures loads in the next few days....in the peak month of August.

Maybe someone like Norwegian could make it work, in the meantime there are just a few NY flights by Jet 2 over Christmas.
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 10:17
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Maybe when the A321LR are ready we will gain the route again.

Would be nice for jet2 to offer 3x weekly during the summer however I can't see it happening.

Prices have been a problem I think.
Proves there is a market just finding an airline that wants that market share and willing to accept a small margin.

Cargo is the key to making a route work so maybe we do need a stop off with another airport or a low cost airline like DY with the 787??
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 10:19
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I prefer using Aer Lingus, maybe they could push that more
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 11:17
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Not great news, especially as when the airport execs went out a couple of weeks ago the talk was positive, even of a reduced service through the winter. But can hardly say I was surprised when I was told last week. Best bet for NCL for now at least is probably to pursue WOW via KEF if they want to get into the transatlantic market.
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 12:27
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Wow 5x weekly in the summer may work also great place for a city break to KEF also
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 15:41
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ICE or WOW via KEF would certainly fill that gap for now but i do agree that we may be in a better position when a more fuel efficient A321LR comes online and we are well past the brexit fallout. What i will say though is there needs to be a happy medium and alot of people tweeting the airport saying it was just too expensive sometimes as much as £200+ more than flying via LHR. You cannot expect great loads when people push for the best price and you potentially out price yourself off the route. Never mind as previously stated it was only a summer seasonal anyway not really a great loss but could Jet2 ever have any success in turning their 757s in Transatlantic 3x weeklys from say LBA - NCL - EMA ? Strictly from Airports not serving NYC where there is no competition ? Even though its not likely to happen , Could Those 757s make more per sear doing transatlantic than what they do stuck on routes like FAO / PMI ? Just a thought.
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 16:29
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It's a shame but not unforeseen. I don't think we need an Icelandic hub. NCL had plenty enough hub flights as it is.

The only Icelandic link would be jet2 and their holiday outfit. Couple of times a week.
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 16:45
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 alot of people tweeting the airport saying it was just too expensive sometimes as much as £200+ more than flying via LHR.
I am afraid because of the need to fill the back of as many as thirty flights a day from the London area to NYC there is considerable price dumping via the consolidators.

This effects the viability of many UK and near EU cities abilities to compete fairly on direct services to the/from New York.

Added to the United 75w offering especially in the back is less than appealing these days.

The J angled flat seats are however okay.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 01:16
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
And the loads ok !

NCL Loads from the seat-maps - 16/45/108 config


Today outbound 10-15-83 = 108 inbound 8-17-103 = 128


Tomorrow outbound 14-20-101 = 135 inbound 9-20-108 = 137


Saturday outbound 14-17-103 = 134 inbound 11-13-104 = 128
Most other British airports will have about 95% load factor not 70 - in the summer time period.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 01:21
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Originally Posted by HH6702
Belfast went summer only last year but has become year round again but a gap of around 6 weeks between end of Jan and early March
No. Year round. 3x weekly in winter.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 03:17
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SWBKCB, (un)fortunately there's not much the Americans can really do, and we have the EU-US/EU-UAE/UAE-US openskies agreements to think for that

And there's not much at Newark, Alaska and Virgin America. But at JFK, Emirates passengers can connect to Jetblue's huge range of destinations from there, and it's probably not that much less comprehensive than United's
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 11:25
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Today's UAL flight to New York has gone tech, at least a three hour delay.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 17:26
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EU-US/EU-UAE/UAE-US
Which of these agreements allows a non-EU airline to operate fifth freedom flights between the EU and US without separate American (or EU) approval? had forgotten about JetBlue!
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 19:09
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I do apologise, I wasn't sure if the openskies meant that EK could operate UK-USA flights. They got Milan - New York, and SIA got Manchester - Houston, so why wouldn't they let Emirates fly NCL-NYC if they could get the slots?
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 19:29
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July Passenger Stats

Now on airport website.

Total pax 573135. increase of 30112 approx +5.5%

Domestic 102332. decrease of 5672 approx -5%

Inc tour 158850. decrease of 572 approx -0.5%

Sh Inter 310932. increase of 37070 approx +13.5%


June figures have also been corrected.


Shame about New York. The pound continues to fall so that wont have helped. Hope it does not affect the Jet 2 Christmas shopping trips.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 21:15
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Good set of figures 30k extra passengers compared to 2015 is very good.
Shame we can't see per route
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 10:45
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still surprises me that NCL can support a Dubai flight daily but not a US flight............ I know where I'd rather go .....
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
still surprises me that NCL can support a Dubai flight daily but not a US flight............ I know where I'd rather go .....
Not really, more people tend to visit the far East and Australasia for holidays and visiting families, Dubai hub ideal for onward flights.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 13:30
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Another reason is because Emirates went in at the deep end, dealt with the crappy first few years, saw improvement, continued investment and ultimately led to profitability. They nurtured the route, they gave people what they want (daily, affordable, one stop flights to pretty much anywhere from their local, with quality service down the back - i.e where it counts from NCL) and it paid off, and now they want 2 daily...

United did not do that - and that's why I'd have more faith in Emirates doing JFK. The only problem I can see coming with that is the fact there would be 2 77W's on the ground at the same time
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 13:31
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I would doubt that EK (or anyone else) would use an aircraft through Newcastle to anywhere in the US.
Demand is not sufficient going West.
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