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I hope what you say about passenger numbers is correct. However do you think the falling Pound will have an effect on airlines and the number of passengers. Dont forget NCL is mainly outbound tourism.
I hope what you say about passenger numbers is correct. However do you think the falling Pound will have an effect on airlines and the number of passengers. Dont forget NCL is mainly outbound tourism.
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Ah, so have Thomson increased slightly for next year? If we have Niki doing Salzburg (due to the new Air Berlin/Niki/Austrian deal, what A/C?), as well as two TBC on Verona and Malaga?
I hope I'm right, 6 million is definitely doable if growth at NCL matches growth across the rest of the country. Although I still don't believe that Brexit is a good thing, and I still don't believe that the exchange rate between countries has that much bearing on tourist numbers... IF there are any decreases in outbound tourism, hopefully this will be made up by increased inbound tourism, especially on the Ryanair routes. I've noticed a lot of Spaniards in Bristol, whereas I hardly ever see any in Newcastle, maybe that could change?
Does anyone know how to get individual passenger numbers for flights, I've seen them posted elsewhere, for example yesterday on the Belfast thread for their new Ryanair routes, I was wondering if anyone had the same data for us?
I hope I'm right, 6 million is definitely doable if growth at NCL matches growth across the rest of the country. Although I still don't believe that Brexit is a good thing, and I still don't believe that the exchange rate between countries has that much bearing on tourist numbers... IF there are any decreases in outbound tourism, hopefully this will be made up by increased inbound tourism, especially on the Ryanair routes. I've noticed a lot of Spaniards in Bristol, whereas I hardly ever see any in Newcastle, maybe that could change?
Does anyone know how to get individual passenger numbers for flights, I've seen them posted elsewhere, for example yesterday on the Belfast thread for their new Ryanair routes, I was wondering if anyone had the same data for us?
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It's a real shame about the SPU and RHO flights appearing to be gone. It seems to be policy to try a route for two seasons, review it and then continue or chop it. Their problem is that they're always one of the last airlines to release the leak summer schedule. By the time they release them people have already booked elsewhere.
Hopefully we'll hear about new routes soon. But personally I wouldn't be surprised if they just increase frequencies on Spain/Faro or make the TFS year round but I do think it would be a waste of resources to do that in summer season. I think there would be more money to be made operating two shorter flights.
I know Turkey is largely off the radar but I could see one route there potentially. I'm well aware the geopolitics of the region but the western most resorts have been relatively safe. Now when you consider the poor exchange rate we are getting, the better value of Turkey could be a draw. I was in the US last week and it was VERY expensive compared to the usual and I think people are in for a shock when it comes to spending abroad. Could we see a Bodrum? There's no competition on it by the looks of it.
Anyone heard any route rumours?
Hopefully we'll hear about new routes soon. But personally I wouldn't be surprised if they just increase frequencies on Spain/Faro or make the TFS year round but I do think it would be a waste of resources to do that in summer season. I think there would be more money to be made operating two shorter flights.
I know Turkey is largely off the radar but I could see one route there potentially. I'm well aware the geopolitics of the region but the western most resorts have been relatively safe. Now when you consider the poor exchange rate we are getting, the better value of Turkey could be a draw. I was in the US last week and it was VERY expensive compared to the usual and I think people are in for a shock when it comes to spending abroad. Could we see a Bodrum? There's no competition on it by the looks of it.
Anyone heard any route rumours?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see tfs year round, and it could go when the RHO would as is approx same flight time so would need too much alterations to the schedule from this summer. SPU was tue morning and sat evening so options for a 12 night stay as well as 7/14. I think Italy is massively under served at ncl.
Haven't heard much in the way of rumours of late though
Haven't heard much in the way of rumours of late though
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It is interesting that easyjet always leave it so late, why is that? Is it because (or so it seems) they make more changes more regularly to times, schedules and bases compared to other airlines, so they need more time to plan it?
I mean just from NCL... There are some routes that have a different schedule almost every month, and that schedule isn't then the same, that same month of the following year! I think they definitely seem to be the most changeable
If they could address that, even announcing holiday flights earlier than other flights, their forward bookings would be much stronger and they could make much more of holiday routes. Also through expanding easyjet holidays as well, although I think they might have missed the boat on that one
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, I hope that we will see routes in the future from easyjet along the lines of (in rough order of my perceived viability): Milan, Munich, Funchal, Venice, Reykjavik, Amsterdam, Isle of Man, Catania, Gibraltar, Mykonos, London, Lisbon, Marrakech... I'd love to think Paris might make a comeback but I just can't see it... I don't know if that's just because I see it as overrated and because the route was dropped and because AF's pax numbers have been dropping. Rome would probably be more likely to return. Depending on how it goes from Gatwick, and if they serve it from other UK airports, an oddball for the future could be La Palma, if the rest of the canaries can sustain multiple daily flights, I'm sure 1/2 per week to the most exotic Canary wouldn't go amiss.
Easyjet could still have a long way to go at Newcastle I think... I'm hoping the more fuel efficient A320neo and a hopeful C-series order might make us look a bit more attractive. The c-series could be the key to expansion from EZY at NCL in my opinion
I hope they don't just throw away opportunities like making TFS year round... It's just gained 4 more weekly 738's, 3 from Ryanair and 1 from Jet2, it doesn't need anymore seats!
Last thing... Why has NCL-TLV never been served?
I mean just from NCL... There are some routes that have a different schedule almost every month, and that schedule isn't then the same, that same month of the following year! I think they definitely seem to be the most changeable
If they could address that, even announcing holiday flights earlier than other flights, their forward bookings would be much stronger and they could make much more of holiday routes. Also through expanding easyjet holidays as well, although I think they might have missed the boat on that one
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, I hope that we will see routes in the future from easyjet along the lines of (in rough order of my perceived viability): Milan, Munich, Funchal, Venice, Reykjavik, Amsterdam, Isle of Man, Catania, Gibraltar, Mykonos, London, Lisbon, Marrakech... I'd love to think Paris might make a comeback but I just can't see it... I don't know if that's just because I see it as overrated and because the route was dropped and because AF's pax numbers have been dropping. Rome would probably be more likely to return. Depending on how it goes from Gatwick, and if they serve it from other UK airports, an oddball for the future could be La Palma, if the rest of the canaries can sustain multiple daily flights, I'm sure 1/2 per week to the most exotic Canary wouldn't go amiss.
Easyjet could still have a long way to go at Newcastle I think... I'm hoping the more fuel efficient A320neo and a hopeful C-series order might make us look a bit more attractive. The c-series could be the key to expansion from EZY at NCL in my opinion
I hope they don't just throw away opportunities like making TFS year round... It's just gained 4 more weekly 738's, 3 from Ryanair and 1 from Jet2, it doesn't need anymore seats!
Last thing... Why has NCL-TLV never been served?
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They've always been one of the latest to release. It seems that Jet2 released their flights earlier than ever before this year and it seems they've been on sale for ages.
This summer saw BRS operating all but one NCLBRS rotation allowing the NCL base to concentrate on the beach flights. BRS is back to being operated by NCL aircraft for winter but hopefully they'll do the same next summer allowing the based aircraft to concentrate on holiday flights. It would be great if BFS could do the same freeing up more NCL aircraft time to do new routes or increased frequencies on busier routes.
It's not a lot but the 186Y A320 is on the horizon. If it does 3 returns a day on average a day that's 13,000 extra seats available over the year. The C series would be lovely but I just can't see it. If they do add a new type it wil be the A321 but I doubt they'll be based here.
Although the demographic could support a TLV, it would need a heck of a yield to make it work. It would use up an aircraft for an entire day. Then you've got rest implications for the crew for the next days. It won't be a cheap nor efficient route to operate. And you really could operate two Spain flights. TLV is over twice the distance but you won't necessarily get twice as much per ticket on the route. It's a place that's certainly on my list to visit but it's that little bit too far to go for a weekend break and I'm not sure how much it will appeal to locals here for a whole week. I know I've had the discussion with a couple of colleagues and they agreed it could work.
But who knows. I'm sure we will hear from them soon :-)
Incidentally yesterday was the first Berlin and a water cannon salute met it. I think there's a story going to appear in the Chron and also Las Palmas too.
They've actually now got an advert in the airport too (and it's fairly unmissable!) and I've seen easyJet adds on the sides of a few busses! When you consider that the check in desks are pretty tucked away (unless you're arriving by metro) you could forgive people for forgetting that they even serve NCL.
This summer saw BRS operating all but one NCLBRS rotation allowing the NCL base to concentrate on the beach flights. BRS is back to being operated by NCL aircraft for winter but hopefully they'll do the same next summer allowing the based aircraft to concentrate on holiday flights. It would be great if BFS could do the same freeing up more NCL aircraft time to do new routes or increased frequencies on busier routes.
It's not a lot but the 186Y A320 is on the horizon. If it does 3 returns a day on average a day that's 13,000 extra seats available over the year. The C series would be lovely but I just can't see it. If they do add a new type it wil be the A321 but I doubt they'll be based here.
Although the demographic could support a TLV, it would need a heck of a yield to make it work. It would use up an aircraft for an entire day. Then you've got rest implications for the crew for the next days. It won't be a cheap nor efficient route to operate. And you really could operate two Spain flights. TLV is over twice the distance but you won't necessarily get twice as much per ticket on the route. It's a place that's certainly on my list to visit but it's that little bit too far to go for a weekend break and I'm not sure how much it will appeal to locals here for a whole week. I know I've had the discussion with a couple of colleagues and they agreed it could work.
But who knows. I'm sure we will hear from them soon :-)
Incidentally yesterday was the first Berlin and a water cannon salute met it. I think there's a story going to appear in the Chron and also Las Palmas too.
They've actually now got an advert in the airport too (and it's fairly unmissable!) and I've seen easyJet adds on the sides of a few busses! When you consider that the check in desks are pretty tucked away (unless you're arriving by metro) you could forgive people for forgetting that they even serve NCL.
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I'm sure I've seen elsewhere that Easyjet don't announce new routes on the same day as main schedule releases.
Many of their holiday flights are partly on contract to other companies; for example in EDI, where there is no TCX presence, the only TCX holidays on offer (TFS, PMI) use Easyjet.
I agree about C series or EQV for most regional airports. I think most destinations which can justify a 319 or larger are already served, but there many which might sustain a smaller a/c. Unfortunately, Ryanair's policy of low frequency, large a/c, OK for flexible economy traffic, makes it impossible for another operator to launch a rival operation using smaller a/c at a business-friendly frequency.
Many of their holiday flights are partly on contract to other companies; for example in EDI, where there is no TCX presence, the only TCX holidays on offer (TFS, PMI) use Easyjet.
I agree about C series or EQV for most regional airports. I think most destinations which can justify a 319 or larger are already served, but there many which might sustain a smaller a/c. Unfortunately, Ryanair's policy of low frequency, large a/c, OK for flexible economy traffic, makes it impossible for another operator to launch a rival operation using smaller a/c at a business-friendly frequency.
Last thing... Why has NCL-TLV never been served?
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DLM BJV & AYT all down for S17 so i cannot see EZY heading for Turkey.
RHO could be replaced by HER however and SPU replaced by KEF ? Iceland really is just asking to be served its such a unique place.
RHO could be replaced by HER however and SPU replaced by KEF ? Iceland really is just asking to be served its such a unique place.
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HER could be a good call, and KEF would be an interesting addition. No pre-occupation with TLV just that Ezy have been looking at expanding flights there from UK bases and NCL was being looked at. Haven't heard much on this of late though so maybe decided against.
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'so maybe decided against'
Well they don't operate NCL to TLV or have any plans to do so then the word 'maybe' is redundant.
How do you know NCL was being looked at by Easyjet for TLV, am sure Manchester would have been a priority before NCL considering the large Jewish population there.
'so maybe decided against'
Well they don't operate NCL to TLV or have any plans to do so then the word 'maybe' is redundant.
How do you know NCL was being looked at by Easyjet for TLV, am sure Manchester would have been a priority before NCL considering the large Jewish population there.
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I know this because I work for them. Was aware of LPA and SXF for some time before they were announced and certainly before anything appeared on here, going as far as to mention SXF in a post. Satisfied?
So yes, they were looking at TLV but seem to have decided against as no further forward.
So yes, they were looking at TLV but seem to have decided against as no further forward.
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Glad Split has survived with easyJet and the flights go to 12 September rather than 2 September last year. Would have been a strange decision to drop it given UK visitors to Croatia are rising sharply.
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That's good about the SPU and RHO. They've survived the important first two seasons (I think they started S15?) so hopefully they'll be here long term.
As for new routes then it's likely limited to mainland bases now. PMI are not operating the NCL rotations which was one of the many rumours I heard. BRS are operating at least some rotations. NCL are operating all of the BFS rotations from what I see.
SO, in terms of the based aircraft and crews (which is all I'm bothered about!) it seems to be very similar to last summer. The fact that very little has changed could suggest that the base is fairy well optimised. My only hope is that people haven't already booked Ryanair and Jet2 who fly many of the same routes but have been selling them for weeks/months already.
As for new routes then it's likely limited to mainland bases now. PMI are not operating the NCL rotations which was one of the many rumours I heard. BRS are operating at least some rotations. NCL are operating all of the BFS rotations from what I see.
SO, in terms of the based aircraft and crews (which is all I'm bothered about!) it seems to be very similar to last summer. The fact that very little has changed could suggest that the base is fairy well optimised. My only hope is that people haven't already booked Ryanair and Jet2 who fly many of the same routes but have been selling them for weeks/months already.