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[160to4DME]

I imagine if boxing day is quiet there is far busier places the fairly new A321 could be , This is a good sign

The A321 is routinely rotating through the system over the current winter schedule as an ordinary A320.

[EK77WNCL]

My wishlist for Vueling at NCL would be Paris, Amsterdam and maybe Madrid. I'd like to say Rome but they might push LS out

[NickBarnes]

Originally Posted by Jamesair

I hope Barcelona will be the start of a steady expansion at NCL for Vueling

Wikepedia shows the Norwich route, due to start next year, as operated by Flybe.

I saw that about the Norwich route, but haven't seen anything from flybe to suggest it happening, might be someone with a bit of wrong info

[SWBKCB]

Also, might depend on whether the funding is transferrable as it wasn't flybe on the application

[Montreal-Dubai]

Vueling A321

I dont know what the hoo-haa is about this. It was always scheduled to operate as an A321, on this date from the word go. We are allowed to have something different now and again, for whatever reason. The main thing is, it is something new for Newcastle, and all the very best for its success.

[SWBKCB]

M-D - if you think half a dozen posts on Pprune is a hoo-haa, you need to get out more...

I think the point is this - airline with little local market presence launches a BCN service for next summer, and then offers at relatively short notice a series of flights for Xmas and the New Year.

The second of these flights is operated by the largest a/c in their fleet. Knowing the LCC dislike the flying around half empty a/c, the question is why? is it due to demand (which would be a "quite interesting" pointer for the summer season) or another reason? Even if it was "always scheduled", the same question applies - why?

I don't think anybody posting here wants anything other than the new Vueling service to be a success

[LiamNCL]

Calm down it was a new movement into Newcastle and as i state i didnt know if it was planned or upgraded

[nclops]

It was always planned as a 321, not sure why but it definitely wasn't due to demand.

[EK77WNCL]

Just thought I'd put this out here -

EK stats for 2015, so far we've had 10 months of growth between 4-15% with only April posting -2% (likely due to Easter holiday variations as March was +15%, was it early this year?)

Jan-Dec 2014 = 215,737 LF - 62.78%
Jan-Nov 2015 = 212,357 LF - 67.35%

A rough calculation based on 11 months Jan-Nov gives an average annual growth of 8.09% therefore, if this occurs in December, the monthly figure should be somewhere around 20,329 and the full year figures somewhere between 232,686 - 233,101

Obviously this is just a little bit of fun and reflects very little on what will actually happen but it's good when you get quite near

I hope to be able to do the same for United next year when I get the first +/-% in May

[BHX5DME]

The NCL EK LF's are very low, by comparision BHX had 2,388 pax on it three flights on 29th - LF of 97%

I still think EK will improve at NCL and at some point may add a second flight

[MANFOD]

The NCL EK LF's are very low, by comparision BHX had 2,388 pax on it three flights on 29th - LF of 97%

That's a rather misleading comparison if I may say so. I realise you want to get a good plug in for BHX, but comparing a single day over a busy Christmas period with a LF at another airport measured over a full 11 months is not realistic. I bet BHX's LF in say May wasn't anything like 97%.

[CabinCrewe]

LF 'in the 60's' is still not where most airlines are aiming though...

[HH6702]

EK figures

Are you working out using 428 seater each flight?
Being in mind that I think some days different type is being used so the figures will be different.

Can anyone tell me what the cargo difference is for the year compared to the pervious year?

Remember NCL makes money just on the cargo.
2 flight will happen in 2017

[BHX5DME]

MANFOD

I agree you cannot compare the festive BHX LF with NCL for the whole 11 months.

BHX in May 2015 in answer to your question was

Dubai = 42,697 pax 344 per flight LF= 80%

[SWBKCB]

Has it been confirmed that NCL makes money just on cargo, or is it rumour?

[TSR2]

Has it been confirmed that NCL makes money just on cargo, or is it rumour?

I would think that all airlines make money on cargo otherwise they would not carry it.

[pallan]

I'd imagine rumour, as with pretty much everything posted on here.

Including the further, very bold '2(nd) flight will happen in 2017' statement. HH6702, where is your evidence to back up such a statement, as well as the 'makes money just on the cargo' statement?

I'm curious...

[SWBKCB]

TSR2 - the question was does EK make money on just cargo i.e. without any revenue from pax?

[EK77WNCL]

Yeah those LF's are based on 428 seat 2 class 77W, so "worst case scenario" load factors if you like. I'd hazard a guess at them being closer to 80% based on the frequency we end up getting 3 class frames. I'm sure for 2016 we'll be hitting 250,000 pax and therefore 73+% load factors, hopefully pushing 80% in the busier months, March/April, July-September and December-January. Hopefully May and June might hit 60% which is sustainable IMO for the low months.

I'm confident 10 weekly/2 daily will be announced Q1 2017 starting 1st September 2017 and we'll be looking at 300-320,000 pax for 2017 (275,000 on EK35/36 and another 25-45,000 in 4 months on EK33/34 seems quite realistic to me)

Does anyone have access to daily statistics from NCL? I've seen them posted allover from other airports but never us

[GrahamK]

I'm sure some folk in here would love NCL to fail.