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Old 4th Aug 2015, 20:57
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I'm sitting here with a United Purser of so much seniority, he started with Pan Am and has been with United since Pan Am went to the pearly gates of FL410.

His comment is, the lowest value route will always cancel the first, then the nearest distance to base, then the easiest to reassign passengers.

Take from that what you will.

EK77WNCL, in response to your comment about an ETOPS 737, his sardonic comment was "Sure honey, you want us to whip out a 737 and crew from our ass, have it all ship shape and ready to fly across to Europe where it and the crew have never been before and where there'll be no one to fly it back and where there's 20 seats less just by clickin' our red shoes and wishing it to happen...uh huh.....?"
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 23:23
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... Failing that I'm surprised they didn't go for the customary US legacy approach nowadays and send over 3/4 third party regional jets.

Joking aside I respect that guy's seniority and enjoy his wit and sarcasm, I know it's not viable to send over a 737 and I know NCL is going to be way down on their list. I don't agree with that however because if they think the route is going to be pretty marginal then SURELY they're going to want to at least try and make some effort to impress potentially high paying customers. 3 cancellations already for a x5 weekly summer only operation (and we aren't done yet!) how many times has EK been cancelled?
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 08:03
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If there was a sacrifice to be made and a UK 757 had to be cancelled - I'd have chose the NCL flight.

The other UK flights are established and will contain regular and loyal customers. The NCL service won't, as it's not guaranteed past this season, and hasn't really had long enough to create that base.

The conundrum is... do you try to impress a potential new customer or upset an existing one.

I know which I'd choose.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 08:04
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To be fair, EDI and MAN have both had their fair share of cancellations due to aircraft going tech as well, it's not just a NCL thing.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 08:19
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UA has cancelled flights to MAN/EDI/BHX/GLA/NCL/SNN and DUB in the past few weeks.

Both UA and AA have had atrocious OTP issues this summer, so it's certainly not just a UA at NCL issue.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 16:27
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I dont think its just us who gets cancelled flights from UA though
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 16:48
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Its definitely not just NCL. The UA 757s have atrocious reliability issues. Several flights have been cancelled at EDI over the last week or so.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 17:11
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Notwithstanding the politics that preclude it (short haul crew operating long haul routes etc) I didn't think the 737 via KEF suggestion was that pie in the sky. Globespan operated many a NYC rotation from the UK with a 737.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 17:52
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Because the KEF routing is non ETOPS AFAIK. There's the Faroes, KEF, SFJ and a couple of others in Greenland all close enought that non ETOPS aircraft can use it.

Etops costs money. Must carry more fuel, same engineer can't check/work on the same system on both engines, I think the pilots might need an extra legal endorsement too?

The rule for non ETOPS is you cannot be more than 60 mins (roughly 400nm for most jets) from an airfield, so it can be done non ETOPS, it just makes it longer than say NCL-YQX-EWR.

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Old 5th Aug 2015, 18:43
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Globespan operated many a NYC rotation from the UK with a 737.
And that ended well.

Can we stop now? that joke isn't funny anymore.
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 11:11
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Small capacity increase with KLM to AMS this winter, all 4 flights operated by KLM 737s. Last winter was 3 x 737s and 1 x E190/F70.
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 11:59
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United

United restores year-round service between Belfast and Newark

United have announced Belfast are going to year-round service (BFS-EWR) from next year

No sign or mention of Newcastle (either Summer only or extended timetable from x5 weekly)
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 15:07
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Originally Posted by VentureGo View Post
United restores year-round service between Belfast and Newark

United have announced Belfast are going to year-round service (BFS-EWR) from next year

No sign or mention of Newcastle (either Summer only or extended timetable from x5 weekly)
I dont think you will hear anything about it until the trials finished
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 15:30
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Air canada operate a 738 twice a week LGW - Halifax (nova Scotia - not Yorks) I think

operated from LHR last year

maybe summer only
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 15:46
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AC dont have 738s (currently)
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 15:47
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HH,

That's Air Transat, 2 x weekly LGW-YHZ 738. Operated with an A310 last year I believe.

WestJet have a daily 73G YYZ-YHZ-GLA flight this summer
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 15:49
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STN

Winter ops down to 1 daily D328 operated by Loganair.
Retained just to keep MAG happy?
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 17:03
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Not a D328, flybe's website shows a seating plan that matches a emb -145

Would suggest a BMI reigional to operate it
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 18:09
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Newcastle (NCL) to London (STN)
Flybe 6881 operated by Loganair
Economy / Coach (Q)
Embraer RJ145

First stage of the BM/LC co-operation??
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 18:11
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That was quick! What are the times, could it be done by the based BRU a/c?
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