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In the wrong conditions it's pretty short for anything haha, although for regular visitors the 777 probably comes ahead of/ranks similarly to aircraft like the 738/A321/A320/733 in terms of performance from NCL.
It is the shortest runway in the EK network though (and possibly shortest for the 77W worldwide?) and if a 200 hours trainee cocked up on a windy, rainy day it wouldn't be worth the mess.
It is the shortest runway in the EK network though (and possibly shortest for the 77W worldwide?) and if a 200 hours trainee cocked up on a windy, rainy day it wouldn't be worth the mess.
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Alba Star Airlines
The above is taken over BOTH verona flights for summer 2015
This replaces the Thomson Wednesday flight and Livingston saturday flights
This makes a loss of 80 seats per week
This replaces the Thomson Wednesday flight and Livingston saturday flights
This makes a loss of 80 seats per week
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I often wonder about the newcastle runway and the lack of foresight in extending it?? I know it costs a lot but 300 metres would make a massive difference to the future of the NE s. Premier airport?
Why have the owners never really put the idea foreword?? A bit like the other side of the airport..even here in teeside there is a massive potential for non airline operations with the hangers...Newcastle have never spent anything on the south side with the massive potential there?? Poor management and outlook!
We know Emirates are restricted,United and probably any A321 operator??
Speculate to accumulate..there is a lot of money floating about out there for aviation developments but Newcastle seem to be wayyyyyy behind the times...a bit like the football team!!!
Why have the owners never really put the idea foreword?? A bit like the other side of the airport..even here in teeside there is a massive potential for non airline operations with the hangers...Newcastle have never spent anything on the south side with the massive potential there?? Poor management and outlook!
We know Emirates are restricted,United and probably any A321 operator??
Speculate to accumulate..there is a lot of money floating about out there for aviation developments but Newcastle seem to be wayyyyyy behind the times...a bit like the football team!!!
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Use the ABZ and BHX models for runway expansion, what have they gained that they couldnt have operated with their original runway lengths.... it wont be far off a big fat zero. Money well spent?
Newcastle have never spent anything on the south side with the massive potential there?? Poor management and outlook!
Southside is earmarked for development with business units going in to the east of the cargo centre.
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Any extention would be a monumental waste of money. What long haul flights would be attracted? EK won't go any bigger than a 777, United no bigger than the 757 and possibly the A321 NEO ER and that's IF the NCL Service lasts that long.
There is no single sustainable profitable long haul service I can think of apart from those two. Particularly none that would justify extending the runway for.
There is no single sustainable profitable long haul service I can think of apart from those two. Particularly none that would justify extending the runway for.
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The Thomson plane goes to Palma.
When the flights went on sale Wednesday was always 1 over that didn't fit into the 3 based aircraft however it does now.
As for runway I think it would be a waste of money at the minute.
As it has been said newer aircraft will be able to use ncl fine.
Couldn't see us getting anything bigger than the 777.
Out of interest what would be the furthest a 777 could fly from ncl using the runway length we have??
Could it get to places like
Las Vegas ?
Calgary ?
Understand maybe not a full load but say good 300 passengers?
When the flights went on sale Wednesday was always 1 over that didn't fit into the 3 based aircraft however it does now.
As for runway I think it would be a waste of money at the minute.
As it has been said newer aircraft will be able to use ncl fine.
Couldn't see us getting anything bigger than the 777.
Out of interest what would be the furthest a 777 could fly from ncl using the runway length we have??
Could it get to places like
Las Vegas ?
Calgary ?
Understand maybe not a full load but say good 300 passengers?
airport development
Newcastle have never spent anything on the south side with the massive potential there?? Poor management and outlook
SWKB. Quote....lApart from the cargo centre, the academy and the new apron?
Southside is earmarked for development with business units going in to the east of the cargo centre.
But that's my argument. Cargo centre...what extra has that brought in?? The academy....same. What has that actually done for the airport? New apron...still can't take anything bigger than a 146...The SOUTHSIDE from memory has been subject to development for 20 plus years and nothing has appeared!
Sorry no real development as I said for 40 years.no extra real revenue produced.no hangers,no real aviation companies and no real prospects?? LImited taxiways and concentration on terminal and reduced but almost now static passenger figures??
SWKB. Quote....lApart from the cargo centre, the academy and the new apron?
Southside is earmarked for development with business units going in to the east of the cargo centre.
But that's my argument. Cargo centre...what extra has that brought in?? The academy....same. What has that actually done for the airport? New apron...still can't take anything bigger than a 146...The SOUTHSIDE from memory has been subject to development for 20 plus years and nothing has appeared!
Sorry no real development as I said for 40 years.no extra real revenue produced.no hangers,no real aviation companies and no real prospects?? LImited taxiways and concentration on terminal and reduced but almost now static passenger figures??
New apron...still can't take anything bigger than a 146
Do you really think the cargo centre brings nothing to the airport? No revenue, no extra employment?
Sure more could have been done, but to say nothing has been done is way off beam - also seems a bit odd to criticise the airport for spending money on the terminal. Looks like core business to me.
development
Don't wish to get into a my dads bigger than yours argument....you obviously know more about the airport than me.
However as an outsider looking in...my observations were...has the cargo centre actually generated any extra business?
Yes sorry forgot about the other apron which can take three aircraft .just a pity it wasn't made just a titchy bit bigger and took 6 aircraft!!
Just look at other comparable airports..esp.ema??? Freight and passengers for example.why just concentrate on passengers and a pretty limited catchment?
Terminal is a superior product to all ne airports..no doubt..but again. Why not now spread the money around a little. Bit more..speculate to accumulate while some extra cash might be available??
However as an outsider looking in...my observations were...has the cargo centre actually generated any extra business?
Yes sorry forgot about the other apron which can take three aircraft .just a pity it wasn't made just a titchy bit bigger and took 6 aircraft!!
Just look at other comparable airports..esp.ema??? Freight and passengers for example.why just concentrate on passengers and a pretty limited catchment?
Terminal is a superior product to all ne airports..no doubt..but again. Why not now spread the money around a little. Bit more..speculate to accumulate while some extra cash might be available??
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Ref Runway use at NCL,surprised that no one has mentioned the efforts of some flights to extract every available inch, on 25 at least when they pull onto the 12OM or so pre threshold on a rolling start...
It appears to be a practice of EK when I have been aboard & noted it on other occasions. It all helps, but wonder if it's included in the T/O calculations
It appears to be a practice of EK when I have been aboard & noted it on other occasions. It all helps, but wonder if it's included in the T/O calculations
To paraphrase the great Sir Alex, NCL is just a wee airport in the North east of England - quite a distance from other major population centres and with an "indifferent" road network linking it the rest of the country - compare and contrast to EMA. Where would you fly your freight to?
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Skyman 777, I noticed that on EK once but not particularly any other times (on the 75th anniversary we were about 20 degrees off the centerline when takeoff roll started)
I've also seen a TCX 757 do it from inside the terminal taking off on 07, his nosewheel actually went on the little line of crosses. This July my flight to Rhodes (TOM 738) did it but apart from that I've never noticed it. I'm not sure exactly why they do it, it probably gives them an extra 10-20 metres, I think it might be for peace of mind....
Sorry to be nitpicky but I wouldn't say emirates are limited, they aren't as far as I'm aware, the flight can/has/will go out completely full because of how little fuel is carried for such a "short" flight. I don't think UA and the 757 will be limited, LS075 got out alright with 220-ish pax
With regards to the furthest a 777 could fly from NCL...
-3500mi is pretty much no bother, so that's DXB (3517), AUH (3533), DOH (3371), NYC (3337), YYZ (3414), ACC (3407)
-Up to 4500mi, then you might have to look at some restrictions...
DEL, BOM, YYC, MIA, HAV
-Up to 6000mi then I think there is still potential for a decent passenger load, but not a full one and limited cargo, also while the aircraft might physically be able to take off from NCL, it could be pretty marginal, especially from 25. This accounts for places like HKG, PEK, LAX, SFO, ICN, NRT, BKK, DAC, CMB.
-7000mi or more probably becomes more trouble than it's worth if you want to make big money, SIN, CPT, EZE, MNL, SGN are close to off limits...
Would anyone agree/disagree/insert more facts?
I've also seen a TCX 757 do it from inside the terminal taking off on 07, his nosewheel actually went on the little line of crosses. This July my flight to Rhodes (TOM 738) did it but apart from that I've never noticed it. I'm not sure exactly why they do it, it probably gives them an extra 10-20 metres, I think it might be for peace of mind....
Sorry to be nitpicky but I wouldn't say emirates are limited, they aren't as far as I'm aware, the flight can/has/will go out completely full because of how little fuel is carried for such a "short" flight. I don't think UA and the 757 will be limited, LS075 got out alright with 220-ish pax
With regards to the furthest a 777 could fly from NCL...
-3500mi is pretty much no bother, so that's DXB (3517), AUH (3533), DOH (3371), NYC (3337), YYZ (3414), ACC (3407)
-Up to 4500mi, then you might have to look at some restrictions...
DEL, BOM, YYC, MIA, HAV
-Up to 6000mi then I think there is still potential for a decent passenger load, but not a full one and limited cargo, also while the aircraft might physically be able to take off from NCL, it could be pretty marginal, especially from 25. This accounts for places like HKG, PEK, LAX, SFO, ICN, NRT, BKK, DAC, CMB.
-7000mi or more probably becomes more trouble than it's worth if you want to make big money, SIN, CPT, EZE, MNL, SGN are close to off limits...
Would anyone agree/disagree/insert more facts?
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As far as I am aware (happy to be proven wrong) EK can definitely operate a full pax load on a 3 class machine and I'm sure they can on the 2 class machines too along with a full cargo load from NCL-DXB.
I'm sure some of EK's more restricted routes the baggage allowance is/was 20kg as opposed to the usual 30kg, if there were serious issues I'd think NCL would be 20kg too.
I'm sure some of EK's more restricted routes the baggage allowance is/was 20kg as opposed to the usual 30kg, if there were serious issues I'd think NCL would be 20kg too.
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Hello EK77WNCL 
Believe you me, the EK 77W can take off full in 2 class configuration, from NCL, no bother at all. I have done it twice from both 25 and 07. The GE engines make all the difference, that is why EK use this type as a true work horse as it is so versatile, and allows them to operate the way they do from locations all over the world. Baggage allowances are the same network wide i.e 30KG for Y class, 40KG for C class and 50KG if you are connecting to a First class onward connection. Regular travellers on higher tier Skyward cards get extra allowance too, and I am sure you will have seen the amounts of baggage checked in most days when they are busy up at NCL It is comical sometimes, particularly when the international students go home. When I go out to SE Asia on business, I make sure I use my full allowance and that will be using several bags, EK are a God send for me in this case as they are essential for my work. Granted, the crew dont mess about with the power once cleared for take off, but the accelleration is so powerful, and it seems to lift off effortlessly in no time at all. It seems to take longer for a Thomson B738 to lift off, than the bigger fellas, plus the duration of the flight is spot on for the B77W. EK know what they are doing 
Finally I dont have the need to ever go to the likes of Edinburgh. The fares from NCL particulary with EK and KL are always reasonable, and I never have the need to travel from else where. I dont think I could ever be bothered wasting time travelling overland to another departure point, particularly for long haul travel, when I have very good connectivity from NCL. These potential taxation issues in Scotland just dont bother me at all, and there will be plenty like minded people like myself. Im sure other folk will shout this down, but hey-ho, I shant be loosing sleep whatsoever.
Believe you me, the EK 77W can take off full in 2 class configuration, from NCL, no bother at all. I have done it twice from both 25 and 07. The GE engines make all the difference, that is why EK use this type as a true work horse as it is so versatile, and allows them to operate the way they do from locations all over the world. Baggage allowances are the same network wide i.e 30KG for Y class, 40KG for C class and 50KG if you are connecting to a First class onward connection. Regular travellers on higher tier Skyward cards get extra allowance too, and I am sure you will have seen the amounts of baggage checked in most days when they are busy up at NCL It is comical sometimes, particularly when the international students go home. When I go out to SE Asia on business, I make sure I use my full allowance and that will be using several bags, EK are a God send for me in this case as they are essential for my work. Granted, the crew dont mess about with the power once cleared for take off, but the accelleration is so powerful, and it seems to lift off effortlessly in no time at all. It seems to take longer for a Thomson B738 to lift off, than the bigger fellas, plus the duration of the flight is spot on for the B77W. EK know what they are doing Finally I dont have the need to ever go to the likes of Edinburgh. The fares from NCL particulary with EK and KL are always reasonable, and I never have the need to travel from else where. I dont think I could ever be bothered wasting time travelling overland to another departure point, particularly for long haul travel, when I have very good connectivity from NCL. These potential taxation issues in Scotland just dont bother me at all, and there will be plenty like minded people like myself. Im sure other folk will shout this down, but hey-ho, I shant be loosing sleep whatsoever.
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Unfortunately I think many will go to EDI if prices go down and it could have detrimental effect on airlines like LS/TOM/EZY who overlap in destinations from NCL and EDI/GLA. Added to this the lack of non-stop, widely affordable EU city routes from NCL (which are available from EDI/GLA) it can't be brilliant for them.
I remember at one point routes like DXB-SFO/DXB and strangely DXB-ICN, had a 20kg limit but that must be resolved and standardised now. Yeah I'd suspected as much regarding full takeoffs, the tanks being empty helps a lot too with having plenty runway to spare. And yeah, not uncommon to see 3/4 suitcases and a couple of plasma TV's being checked in... I'm sure I saw some other large electrical appliance as well, but I can't remember what it was...
I remember at one point routes like DXB-SFO/DXB and strangely DXB-ICN, had a 20kg limit but that must be resolved and standardised now. Yeah I'd suspected as much regarding full takeoffs, the tanks being empty helps a lot too with having plenty runway to spare. And yeah, not uncommon to see 3/4 suitcases and a couple of plasma TV's being checked in... I'm sure I saw some other large electrical appliance as well, but I can't remember what it was...