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I don't know if they all travelled today, however those that did went scheduled on multiple airlines including via Abu Dhabi and London.
Is there an ETD for the Uunited chartered 757 on Thursday yet?
Is there an ETD for the Uunited chartered 757 on Thursday yet?
What did the Man City team use to fly to South Africa this morning?
Bitter these reds you know!
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It is reported in the media that MAG has withdrawn from the bidding for London Gatwick Airport. MAG and its consortium partners have declined to meet the minimum asking price of £1.5bn demanded by the BAA. As it appears that there are now no serious bidders left for LGW, it remains a possibility that MAG could re-enter the fray at a lower price in the future. Competition authorities are resolved to remove LGW from the BAA portfolio ASAP, and it is reported that the sale process could be taken out of the BAA's hands if satisfactory progress is not made.
An excellent piece of news IMO. Overpaying for an airport asset in this financial climate would be madness and potentially very damaging for the long term. I would personally rather see MAG nurture the assets it has already got. Of course, I presume the forthcoming sale of either GLA or EDI will have to be factored in too before long - MAG may be interested?
An excellent piece of news IMO. Overpaying for an airport asset in this financial climate would be madness and potentially very damaging for the long term. I would personally rather see MAG nurture the assets it has already got. Of course, I presume the forthcoming sale of either GLA or EDI will have to be factored in too before long - MAG may be interested?
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I think MAG buying LGW would not only benefit the passengers using the airport down south but also Manchester!
If you think about it, it is a perfect fit to start with. All the major carriers at Manchester are at Gatwick: MON/ZB, TOM/FCA, TCX/MTY, BE, U2, FR, EK etc. This means relations between MAG and the airlines will already be in place which I am sure will help (or maybe hinder
) development.
Also, there are a number of carriers at LGW currently not up north and by MAG taking hold of the airport it may benefit the MAN - here's hoping!
If you think about it, it is a perfect fit to start with. All the major carriers at Manchester are at Gatwick: MON/ZB, TOM/FCA, TCX/MTY, BE, U2, FR, EK etc. This means relations between MAG and the airlines will already be in place which I am sure will help (or maybe hinder
) development. Also, there are a number of carriers at LGW currently not up north and by MAG taking hold of the airport it may benefit the MAN - here's hoping!
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Apparently MAG were willing to pay £100mill less than BAA wanted. That's really not a lot. I wonder if the only other bidder left pulls out if MAG can force the price down to what they wanted to pay all along.
I'm happy for MAG to own Gatwick but ONLY at the right price.
I'm happy for MAG to own Gatwick but ONLY at the right price.
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When figures of £1.5bn etc. are batted around, £100m doesn't sound very much, however, when thinking that is:
£100,000,000
That is still a lot of money. It would pay wages for months! It is especially important at the moment for companies to watch every single penny and see the opportunity costs associated with any purchase.
£100,000,000
That is still a lot of money. It would pay wages for months! It is especially important at the moment for companies to watch every single penny and see the opportunity costs associated with any purchase.
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If there are no serious bidders remaining and the Government is that keen to remove LGW from the BAA portfolio then the only remaining option is to nationalise it.
You can just imagine Mr Brown summoning up all his wit, wiles and charm in an attempt to attract new business into LGW?!?!
What an utter farce...
You can just imagine Mr Brown summoning up all his wit, wiles and charm in an attempt to attract new business into LGW?!?!
What an utter farce...
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BAA will be under an obligation to its shareholders to achieve the best possible value for Gatwick - it won't be going at a knocked down price. Given that the CAA had put a value of £1.8bn on Gatwick during its last regulatory review of the airport, and that BAA had originally sought offers in the region of £2bn, MAG's offer of £1.4bn is actually way, way below asking price.
Don't overlook either that if MAG's consortium gets hold of Gatwick there is a risk that they will take their eye off the ball in respect of the Group's existing businesses and that would not be a good thing...
Don't overlook either that if MAG's consortium gets hold of Gatwick there is a risk that they will take their eye off the ball in respect of the Group's existing businesses and that would not be a good thing...
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I'm probably wrong by putting some of the below in this thread but here goes: -
Took a day trip to Dublin today, mainly because I wanted to see the completed airside T1 and I also wanted to see Dublin for the first time. Very impressed with T1 departures, clean and looks fantastic, all change when u go to Pier B though, can't wait until they replace that! Went through Pier C too and thought it was better than Pier B but not great, especially down by Gate 31, how is there enough room there for the Emrites passengers twice a day, at the same time as Thomas Cook 757's etc? First day of kids summer holidays and the Termainal was very busy from check-in to the gates, however everything inside the terminal was very quick and efficent, friendly(ish) staff too. However, outside wasn't the same case, there was no stand free for my Ryanair flight to Dublin, landed at 7.20AM but didn't get on stand until 7.40AM! I watched Eithad A330 wait at a holding point waiting to cross 05L for 20mins, whilst others such as Amercian and Qatar didn't have to wait that long and they landed after Eithad, what's that all about? Plenty of aircraft's waiting to get a stand between 7 and 8AM, much quieter when I landed back at MAN at 4.55PM.
Looking at the departures board this morning I noticed that the Lufthansa Munich flight was cancelled, the aircraft wasn't at MAN so assumed it hadn't come in the night before for it's night stop, anyone know why this flight was cancelled?
Anyway, finally I was impressed with Dublin airport too, nice clean and plenty of air and space, looking forward to seeing the new Terminal next year. Ryanair on the other hand weren't so good, flights were pretty much on time, to be fair the delays weren't there fault, but the cabin crew were not Irish, (don't know what accent they had) but I couldn't understand a word they were saying, there were meant to be 3 of them doing the safety demo but the thrid crew member (who was nearest to me) didn't join in until half way through, very unprofessional! We reached crusing altitude, no turbelance but the seatbelt sign was still on, someone next to me wanted the toliet, got up to go but a crew member said they were locked until the seatbelt sign was switched off and so no-one could go, don't believe that for a minute and if your desprate, surley you can't be refused if your in cruise?! I mean if someone was physically sick what would they do, as there are no sick bags on Ryanair flights?! I assumed (and maybe I shouldn't) that all Dublin based Ryanair crew were Irish, the flight deck crew were Irish and I could just about make out what they said (I can't understand the Irish accent at the best of time anyway, so that's me). That music is so stupid after landing and embarrsing! They announce we have just landed on another on-time flight, when we didn't, we landed 20mins late in Dublin, does that always play no matter how early or late u land, ok not Ryanair's fault, was lack of room at MAN, but sometimes it is there fault?! Legroom was ok, bareable for a short flight like today's (35mins). Seats were hard and uncomfortable, especially on my back and arse! and whatever they were advertising on the overhead lockers, was in a language I couldn't understand, maybe that aircraft wasn't based in Dublin?!
Done T3 last week, T1 this week, need to do T2 sometime soon, ain't been there since 2003, anyone know who the works are going on here? I think Emrites looked better at T2.
Right, rant etc over, look forward to any answers & comments.
Have a nice weekend all.
Took a day trip to Dublin today, mainly because I wanted to see the completed airside T1 and I also wanted to see Dublin for the first time. Very impressed with T1 departures, clean and looks fantastic, all change when u go to Pier B though, can't wait until they replace that! Went through Pier C too and thought it was better than Pier B but not great, especially down by Gate 31, how is there enough room there for the Emrites passengers twice a day, at the same time as Thomas Cook 757's etc? First day of kids summer holidays and the Termainal was very busy from check-in to the gates, however everything inside the terminal was very quick and efficent, friendly(ish) staff too. However, outside wasn't the same case, there was no stand free for my Ryanair flight to Dublin, landed at 7.20AM but didn't get on stand until 7.40AM! I watched Eithad A330 wait at a holding point waiting to cross 05L for 20mins, whilst others such as Amercian and Qatar didn't have to wait that long and they landed after Eithad, what's that all about? Plenty of aircraft's waiting to get a stand between 7 and 8AM, much quieter when I landed back at MAN at 4.55PM.
Looking at the departures board this morning I noticed that the Lufthansa Munich flight was cancelled, the aircraft wasn't at MAN so assumed it hadn't come in the night before for it's night stop, anyone know why this flight was cancelled?
Anyway, finally I was impressed with Dublin airport too, nice clean and plenty of air and space, looking forward to seeing the new Terminal next year. Ryanair on the other hand weren't so good, flights were pretty much on time, to be fair the delays weren't there fault, but the cabin crew were not Irish, (don't know what accent they had) but I couldn't understand a word they were saying, there were meant to be 3 of them doing the safety demo but the thrid crew member (who was nearest to me) didn't join in until half way through, very unprofessional! We reached crusing altitude, no turbelance but the seatbelt sign was still on, someone next to me wanted the toliet, got up to go but a crew member said they were locked until the seatbelt sign was switched off and so no-one could go, don't believe that for a minute and if your desprate, surley you can't be refused if your in cruise?! I mean if someone was physically sick what would they do, as there are no sick bags on Ryanair flights?! I assumed (and maybe I shouldn't) that all Dublin based Ryanair crew were Irish, the flight deck crew were Irish and I could just about make out what they said (I can't understand the Irish accent at the best of time anyway, so that's me). That music is so stupid after landing and embarrsing! They announce we have just landed on another on-time flight, when we didn't, we landed 20mins late in Dublin, does that always play no matter how early or late u land, ok not Ryanair's fault, was lack of room at MAN, but sometimes it is there fault?! Legroom was ok, bareable for a short flight like today's (35mins). Seats were hard and uncomfortable, especially on my back and arse! and whatever they were advertising on the overhead lockers, was in a language I couldn't understand, maybe that aircraft wasn't based in Dublin?!
Done T3 last week, T1 this week, need to do T2 sometime soon, ain't been there since 2003, anyone know who the works are going on here? I think Emrites looked better at T2.
Right, rant etc over, look forward to any answers & comments.
Have a nice weekend all.
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Have to say I agree wholeheartedly that the crew are not very friendly on Ryanair especially the non Irish/British crew. I have had a good impression generally of the Eastern Europeans in Ireland and the UK but when it comes to Ryanair crew from these parts they can be awful. Totally robotic and unfriendly. I remember flying on the first scheduled flight into Doncaster in 2005, it was a Ryanair 73S. There were no Irish or British crew including the flight deck. They never mentioned that this was Ryanair's first flight on a new route, nor did they mention that this was the 1st Arrival at the new facility!!!! If Ryanair had staff like Aer Lingus or Easyjet or BA (some will comment on the difference between these also!!) it would enhance the customer experience.
In Belfast my local airports people that I know have commented that easyjet and Aer Lingus crew are so friendly and approachable whereas Ryanair is absolutely awful...! Its sad really. Some small changes could do alot for Ryanair's reputation, however, it is so obvious that Mr O'Leary only cares about lowest prices and no interest in developing a sought after brand!!
As regards the comment on the announcement saying you have arrived on yet another on time Ryanair arrival. This has to be the most annoying announcement ever. We were delayed last December flying from Dublin to Edinburgh due to ATC delays or rather a long line of aircraft waiting to take off at 7am! We landed in Edinburgh 50 mins late and many commented at least we didnt have to listen to the awful announcement!!!
It used to have a trumpet sort of sound but that has been reduced now to something a little more reasonable!!
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Have to say I agree wholeheartedly that the crew are not very friendly on Ryanair especially the non Irish/British crew. I have had a good impression generally of the Eastern Europeans in Ireland and the UK but when it comes to Ryanair crew from these parts they can be awful. Totally robotic and unfriendly. I remember flying on the first scheduled flight into Doncaster in 2005, it was a Ryanair 73S. There were no Irish or British crew including the flight deck. They never mentioned that this was Ryanair's first flight on a new route, nor did they mention that this was the 1st Arrival at the new facility!!!! If Ryanair had staff like Aer Lingus or Easyjet or BA (some will comment on the difference between these also!!) it would enhance the customer experience.
In Belfast my local airports people that I know have commented that easyjet and Aer Lingus crew are so friendly and approachable whereas Ryanair is absolutely awful...! Its sad really. Some small changes could do alot for Ryanair's reputation, however, it is so obvious that Mr O'Leary only cares about lowest prices and no interest in developing a sought after brand!!
As regards the comment on the announcement saying you have arrived on yet another on time Ryanair arrival. This has to be the most annoying announcement ever. We were delayed last December flying from Dublin to Edinburgh due to ATC delays or rather a long line of aircraft waiting to take off at 7am! We landed in Edinburgh 50 mins late and many commented at least we didnt have to listen to the awful announcement!!!
It used to have a trumpet sort of sound but that has been reduced now to something a little more reasonable!!
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The LH4868 Munich flight on thurs was cancelled due to the aircraft going tech en route it landed back in munich safely but there was no replacement aircraft available. 1st time i have known this flight to be canx in 5 years of working at the airport!
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It would probably be a good thing if MAG could get LGW at the right price.
Of course the economy has changed for the worse since the CAA/BAA valuations of LGW. In the end, any thing is only worth what someone's prepared to pay for it: go see eBay for that economic law in action every day.
MAG should probably offer £0.5bn and go up from there, to reduce BAA's expectations still further.
My worry is the calibre of the shareholders, specifically whether they've got the balls to reconsider if the current MAG board are up to the job of running a significantly larger organisation, and to strengthen it if they conclude that they're not up to the job.
When MAPLC bought EMA and BOH, the banks, who lent the significant sum of £240m to buy airports valued at £140m, insisted on a new corporate governance, which gave rise to the MAG structure, and more robust directors, hence the replacement of gentleman Norman with the rather remarkable city-boy of Phillip Ridal. He tidied it all up, got the credit rating improved (since downgraded) but sadly was lured back to the city.
If they're serious about LGW, where's the new mgmt that's so sorely needed?
Of course the economy has changed for the worse since the CAA/BAA valuations of LGW. In the end, any thing is only worth what someone's prepared to pay for it: go see eBay for that economic law in action every day.
MAG should probably offer £0.5bn and go up from there, to reduce BAA's expectations still further.
My worry is the calibre of the shareholders, specifically whether they've got the balls to reconsider if the current MAG board are up to the job of running a significantly larger organisation, and to strengthen it if they conclude that they're not up to the job.
When MAPLC bought EMA and BOH, the banks, who lent the significant sum of £240m to buy airports valued at £140m, insisted on a new corporate governance, which gave rise to the MAG structure, and more robust directors, hence the replacement of gentleman Norman with the rather remarkable city-boy of Phillip Ridal. He tidied it all up, got the credit rating improved (since downgraded) but sadly was lured back to the city.
If they're serious about LGW, where's the new mgmt that's so sorely needed?
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My latest holiday report from T3
Flew with Easyjet to Tenerife on 13th July, checked in at airport at 5:20am no problems there, through security within a minute, very good. Flight due to depart at 7am, we were delayed 1hr 30 in the end because once onboard, we were told we were 480kg overweight, stuck on ground for 1hr at this point and a nice family of 6 decided they would take the following day flight, had to wait an extra 15 minutes for baggage company to arrive and get bags off. Took off around 940am in the end.
Flight back into Tenerife on 20th July, landed at 4:15pm, straight onto stand 48 I think, through passport security took a few minutes, very good, baggage we had to wait a bit for, around 10 minutes.....on the whole, T3 looks superb now and everything running smoothly!
I have a few questions I want to ask people on my next post though.
Flew with Easyjet to Tenerife on 13th July, checked in at airport at 5:20am no problems there, through security within a minute, very good. Flight due to depart at 7am, we were delayed 1hr 30 in the end because once onboard, we were told we were 480kg overweight, stuck on ground for 1hr at this point and a nice family of 6 decided they would take the following day flight, had to wait an extra 15 minutes for baggage company to arrive and get bags off. Took off around 940am in the end.
Flight back into Tenerife on 20th July, landed at 4:15pm, straight onto stand 48 I think, through passport security took a few minutes, very good, baggage we had to wait a bit for, around 10 minutes.....on the whole, T3 looks superb now and everything running smoothly!
I have a few questions I want to ask people on my next post though.
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After arrival into Tenerife, a mate and I wanted to talk to the pilots. After everyone had gone, we had a chat.
On departure at MAN, we didn't take the usual NOKIN1Y departure and instead took the WAL1Y, headed over towards Dublin, then to Cork and then down towards Canary Islands. He told us we took WAL1Y because we were on T.
We were a bit confused by what he meant (I don't have the best pilot knowledge, i'm more into the ATC side). After arrival back into Manchester on the 20th July, we spoke to the F.O and he said that because they are flying the 320s on the route, they take WAL because they follow a "transoceanic route" and took T9 route. They cannot take this route with the 319s as they aren't equipped with HF radios (or something, I was very tired as I had been clubbing for 7 nights and was so deprived of sleep!)
If anyone has anymore help as to what the transoceanic routes are and any charts etc regarding them, that would be grateful. I cannot find any information so far when i've searched.
On departure at MAN, we didn't take the usual NOKIN1Y departure and instead took the WAL1Y, headed over towards Dublin, then to Cork and then down towards Canary Islands. He told us we took WAL1Y because we were on T.
We were a bit confused by what he meant (I don't have the best pilot knowledge, i'm more into the ATC side). After arrival back into Manchester on the 20th July, we spoke to the F.O and he said that because they are flying the 320s on the route, they take WAL because they follow a "transoceanic route" and took T9 route. They cannot take this route with the 319s as they aren't equipped with HF radios (or something, I was very tired as I had been clubbing for 7 nights and was so deprived of sleep!)
If anyone has anymore help as to what the transoceanic routes are and any charts etc regarding them, that would be grateful. I cannot find any information so far when i've searched.
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The Tango airways avoid congestion between Nantes and Faro and save on Nav charges in the process.
They are however may be 100-130 miles longer
In reverse they can actually take advantage of the prevailing high winds as well.
As your said they take you over Ireland then on a track towards Madeira and then into Tenerife.
Monarch use these routes frequently i believe.
They are however may be 100-130 miles longer
In reverse they can actually take advantage of the prevailing high winds as well.
As your said they take you over Ireland then on a track towards Madeira and then into Tenerife.
Monarch use these routes frequently i believe.