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While I'm here, What's behind all the AEA flights into MAN - TFS by the 'Bucket loads'
Saturday there was a row of them in early doors on the stands.
Extra capacity or filling the GAP left by XL?
Saturday there was a row of them in early doors on the stands.
Extra capacity or filling the GAP left by XL?
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BYALPHAINDIA -
The extra Air Europa capacity to MAN was laid on to provide seats for tour operators offering additional holiday stock over the Christmas / New Year period. There is a big market for holidays over the 'festive' season with families avoiding dilemmas over whether to visit "his" or "her" parents on the key days! Holiday packages sold over this period command a significant price premium for tour operators, and they can easily sell extra capacity if they can source aircraft and hotel space for this two week period only. Last Winter, Futura and LTE were in demand; this time Air Europa pretty much cornered the market.
Cheers, SHED.
The extra Air Europa capacity to MAN was laid on to provide seats for tour operators offering additional holiday stock over the Christmas / New Year period. There is a big market for holidays over the 'festive' season with families avoiding dilemmas over whether to visit "his" or "her" parents on the key days! Holiday packages sold over this period command a significant price premium for tour operators, and they can easily sell extra capacity if they can source aircraft and hotel space for this two week period only. Last Winter, Futura and LTE were in demand; this time Air Europa pretty much cornered the market.
Cheers, SHED.
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Okay, Cheers Shed.
Just been looking on Etihad's site:
June - MAN - ABD return X 2 = 566.00 Incl taxes etc.
That is for a 4 night duration.
Not a bad price, Compared to 'Emiroids' (EK) who charge about that per pax!
Abu Dhabi is about 1 hour from Dubai on the train.
Just been looking on Etihad's site:
June - MAN - ABD return X 2 = 566.00 Incl taxes etc.
That is for a 4 night duration.
Not a bad price, Compared to 'Emiroids' (EK) who charge about that per pax!
Abu Dhabi is about 1 hour from Dubai on the train.
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I can assure you Abu Dhabi is not about an hour to Dubai on the train as there are no trains in the UAE, nor the Gulf for that matter. Only 'train' will be Dubai Metro Red Line when it opens.
AUH is on the outskirts of the city and is about an hour or so's drive from Jebil Ali in Dubai. Central Dubai (around the creek) is another half hour or so but it all depends on the level of gridlock on Shiekh Zayed Road.
AUH is on the outskirts of the city and is about an hour or so's drive from Jebil Ali in Dubai. Central Dubai (around the creek) is another half hour or so but it all depends on the level of gridlock on Shiekh Zayed Road.
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Try MAN-AUH-DXB. Usually you will see little or no difference on the price.
I went to China last year with EK from MAN and it was exactly the same price from MAN-DXB as it was for MAN-DXB-China.
I went to China last year with EK from MAN and it was exactly the same price from MAN-DXB as it was for MAN-DXB-China.
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It seems to be coming more and more apparent to many of us on here that MAG is starting to become more like the Trafford Centre than Changi. But what is the aim of a business? To please it's stakeholders and MAG looks like it wants to please it's financial stakeholders more so than any other.
Its main aim as a business is to make money and if the airport is gaining more and more shops, surely their main aim is to attract more passengers to spend in their shops.
I know people say that by attracting locos they are attracting low spenders but surely, as we see that easyJet are to carry 650,000 people this summer - these are more likely to spend more money than the number of passengers, say QR carry every year.
So as a business more locos is good for business but for the public and the passengers travelling through it is less so.
What people think - is this the plan of MAG or is it just a general, global transition being made at many ex-legacy airports?
Its main aim as a business is to make money and if the airport is gaining more and more shops, surely their main aim is to attract more passengers to spend in their shops.
I know people say that by attracting locos they are attracting low spenders but surely, as we see that easyJet are to carry 650,000 people this summer - these are more likely to spend more money than the number of passengers, say QR carry every year.
So as a business more locos is good for business but for the public and the passengers travelling through it is less so.
What people think - is this the plan of MAG or is it just a general, global transition being made at many ex-legacy airports?
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Global trend - in some respects Manchester has been a bit behind the times in its shopping offerings. Gatwick Village to name one long running example. A business has to make money, and if it thinks that can be done by adding shops rather than open space then it will do so. Don't know why people are getting het up about being forced to walk through shops - it's been a trick at airports around the world for ages too. I think some of us are just averse to change.
By the way - the stakeholders are those with a financial interest. We are just customers (well I suppose I am both as my local council is one of the owners) and so are irrelevant as far as MAG's financials results are concerned.
By the way - the stakeholders are those with a financial interest. We are just customers (well I suppose I am both as my local council is one of the owners) and so are irrelevant as far as MAG's financials results are concerned.
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I think that the 650,000 passengers Eaysjet hope to carry ex-MAN this summer are but a drop in the ocean compared to the potential falls in overall pax numbers due to the loss of XL and consolidation of the IT sector. MAG can put in as many shops as it likes to boost spend but you need the punters to pass though the doors in the first place. If December's 10% fall in passengers is any sign of the year to come then times are going to get tough. There is the potential for a big financial hole to be filled - even at say income lost of £20 per pax (purely arbitrary, I admit - by the time security and passenger charges and the income from car parking and other revenues is taken into account the figure could be higher) even a modest 5% drop in pax next year could result in a drop in income of around £20 million and as has been said by other posters costs are generally pretty fixed.
In addition any extra revenue from retail may well have to be offset against any incentives or lower fees offered to new carriers (LOCO or otherwise). All in all times are going to be hard...
In addition any extra revenue from retail may well have to be offset against any incentives or lower fees offered to new carriers (LOCO or otherwise). All in all times are going to be hard...
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By the way - the stakeholders are those with a financial interest. We are just customers (well I suppose I am both as my local council is one of the owners) and so are irrelevant as far as MAG's financials results are concerned.
If say, QR were to pull out of MAN, it would cost a minibus company a loss in a daily job plus the hotel that houses the crew overnight a loss in a number of hotel rooms. If U2 were to increase routes and aircraft, this would not benefit the local business, but will create more jobs so they balance themselves really. The local community is a stakeholder, of any company (not taking into account Manchester's ownership of MAG) but the people who live under the flightpath are stakeholders - they don't want planes over their houses and growth will mean more planes which they don't want.
I do understand that XL has left a large gap in the passenger numbers from MAN but surely with TOM/FCA merging - why are they removing a/c when their is a hole there? Surely they would want to keep them at MAN to benefit from the drop in competition and take up the extra passengers?
What are TCX/MYT doing anyway? Are they keeping the same number of aircraft at MAN, expanding or reducing?
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If I am flying from A to B either for a holiday [Loco or Tour Op], or on Business, I cannot see for the life of me, just why I should spend my hard earned dosh in any airport "shopping centre" for an "Experience" that is 20-50% more expensive than Tesco/Asda, when you can buy said "Tat" at your destination for 1/2 the price....
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MAN needs the commercial developments going on in the terminals. It had, until, recently the most boring, depressing terminals in which to spend time. Terminal 2 was particularly bad, a soulless empty shell of a building with one airside bar and a lack of food choice, an utterly awful place to be stuck for any length of time. The airport experience is a part of any flight experience, if MAN can be made less boring then all the better to retain passengers. Just because other areas of the airport need attention does not mean that that would happen if the terminal developments had not.
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Manchester airport needed some working runway lights this morning? Aircraft diverting due cat 2 conditions and the lights were broken.
Or maybe someone forgot to put some money in the meter
D and F
Or maybe someone forgot to put some money in the meter
D and F
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The airport experience is a part of any flight experience
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Different airports, different functions: LCY make a big deal about the fact that you can be through the formalities very quickly, and so don't have any of this 'turn up 2-3 hours prior to departure' nonsense. As such they appeal to business travellers who pay big bucks for their tickets - and I suspect that the charges LCY levy per pax is greater than the BAA airports. BAA airports make their money differently, with a greater proportion of income from the percentage they take from the retailers.