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AFAIK 05R/23L has not been used since before Christmas as it hasn't been required. It will be interesting to see if its non-availability this week causes delays if we get any normal weather... Snowing again now....
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And of course you have been monitoring the 2000 ft winds and visibility too to make an informed decision on which runway to use??......
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Which begs the question, whilst the winds have been calm for the past few days why have they persisted in using 05L when they could have been getting some hours on 23R ??
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what gives you the right to say it's been a piss poor effort by MAN?
Several things...dont get me wrong, when the snow fell a couple of weeks back i was on here backing Manchester to the hilt, because it was a heavy snowfall... but after Saturday when about 1 cm fell it became a joke, even yesterday morning caution was being advised to the heavies on vacating 05L, 24 hours after the last snowfall, how can anyone defend that ?? Then to see the tug that pushed back the Gulf Air this morning sliding about like Torvel & Dean...its a joke. Its now snowing very heavy indeed in Denton so if a decent amount falls then i will again be back on the other side defending Manchester, but im sorry..after 1 cm ???
Several things...dont get me wrong, when the snow fell a couple of weeks back i was on here backing Manchester to the hilt, because it was a heavy snowfall... but after Saturday when about 1 cm fell it became a joke, even yesterday morning caution was being advised to the heavies on vacating 05L, 24 hours after the last snowfall, how can anyone defend that ?? Then to see the tug that pushed back the Gulf Air this morning sliding about like Torvel & Dean...its a joke. Its now snowing very heavy indeed in Denton so if a decent amount falls then i will again be back on the other side defending Manchester, but im sorry..after 1 cm ???
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And of course you have been monitoring the 2000 ft winds and visibility too to make an informed decision on which runway to use??......
Nope...but then again thats why I asked the question, so presumably you are answering that by telling me that @ 2000ft the winds were the reason that they using 05R, so now i know, thanks for explaining to me.
Nope...but then again thats why I asked the question, so presumably you are answering that by telling me that @ 2000ft the winds were the reason that they using 05R, so now i know, thanks for explaining to me.
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BetaBlockerUK,
With regard to your post #2368 I think you'll find that the reason for the VS flight parking on Stand 219 is a preference by the airline, and not at the airport's behest.
With regard to your post #2368 I think you'll find that the reason for the VS flight parking on Stand 219 is a preference by the airline, and not at the airport's behest.
The reason it has been remote a lot recently is because of the TSA rules regarding 100% passenger searches, and they had to be segragated from other pax, the only way this could be done to get 400+ pax done was to use gate 300 and therefore park remote.
I believe something has now been sorted so normal stands can be used.
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...and lo, from the skies came snow, and all the armchair Joe Pattronis came online and declared they could have done it better.
Some of you really need to get a life or do a course in snow clearance and CAP168.
Some of you really need to get a life or do a course in snow clearance and CAP168.
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and lo, from the skies came snow, and all the armchair Joe Pattronis came online and declared they could have done it better.
Some of you really need to get a life or do a course in snow clearance and CAP168.
Out of Interest who declared they could do it better???, I take it by your comments you are saying Manchester coped well with Saturdays light flurry that has resulted in a Notam being issued due to ice ruts some 60 hours later ??
Maybee you should tell that to the tug operator that struggled to push the Gulf Air all of 100 feet this morning...I dont think would agree.
Some of you really need to get a life or do a course in snow clearance and CAP168.
Out of Interest who declared they could do it better???, I take it by your comments you are saying Manchester coped well with Saturdays light flurry that has resulted in a Notam being issued due to ice ruts some 60 hours later ??
Maybee you should tell that to the tug operator that struggled to push the Gulf Air all of 100 feet this morning...I dont think would agree.
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OK I may be talking absolute b**l*ks here but I would have thought that a few extra heavy movements would assist in blowing away settling snow, my theory is based on you only get snow settling on motorways when there is no traffic. 
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0130 Closed again. Never seen anything so pathetic as this airport's "management" efforts. Lamentable. They deserve to go bust, but will doubtless keep pulling their big salaries and bonusses. And the movements number continues to plummet. Rubbish airport.
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Hi Going Loco,
I can't fault your mathematics, but sadly my original posting remains correct. SIA is interested in selling long-haul tickets from Europe to Asia and beyond, and vice-versa. MUC-MAN-MUC is incidental to them. If customers buy tickets on the short-haul sectors that's fine - they will take the money - but there is no way they will invest heavily in promoting those sectors. As I stated, any additional revenue on those sectors is seen as a bonus. They are up against Lufthansa and EasyJet, both of which offer far superior timings. Note how few passengers used the GVA-MAN-GVA sectors on Saudia, and indeed many years ago on AMS and ZRH legs from MAN when SIA's services used to route via those cities. It's great for aircraft enthusiasts when these short sectors are made available for bookings, but the mainstream traveling public rarely show much interest. That's just the economic reality of the situation. Disappointing but true.
Regards, SHED.
I can't fault your mathematics, but sadly my original posting remains correct. SIA is interested in selling long-haul tickets from Europe to Asia and beyond, and vice-versa. MUC-MAN-MUC is incidental to them. If customers buy tickets on the short-haul sectors that's fine - they will take the money - but there is no way they will invest heavily in promoting those sectors. As I stated, any additional revenue on those sectors is seen as a bonus. They are up against Lufthansa and EasyJet, both of which offer far superior timings. Note how few passengers used the GVA-MAN-GVA sectors on Saudia, and indeed many years ago on AMS and ZRH legs from MAN when SIA's services used to route via those cities. It's great for aircraft enthusiasts when these short sectors are made available for bookings, but the mainstream traveling public rarely show much interest. That's just the economic reality of the situation. Disappointing but true.
Regards, SHED.
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Roy Hudd -
Have you got any idea of just how much (wet) snow is falling at Manchester Airport right now? If you feel able to advise the airport on how to defy the elements and perform miracles, please use this thread to share your wisdom. Is your definition of a "rubbish airport" one which has the misfortune to endure several hours of wet snow & blizzard conditions in Mid-Winter?
I generally try to avoid remarks which could appear personal, but in this case you have been gratuitous with your criticism of others. So I will say it: your 02:06 posting exposes your total ignorance of the measures required to cope with extreme winter weather conditions in an airport context. Safety - not expediency - is paramount. Your posting comes across as sour, ill-tempered and extremely silly.
Well done to the MAN snow-clearing teams working flat out to keep the airport functioning as well as it is during these days of severe weather conditions. Afew of us here recognize and appreciate your efforts.
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Have you got any idea of just how much (wet) snow is falling at Manchester Airport right now? If you feel able to advise the airport on how to defy the elements and perform miracles, please use this thread to share your wisdom. Is your definition of a "rubbish airport" one which has the misfortune to endure several hours of wet snow & blizzard conditions in Mid-Winter?
I generally try to avoid remarks which could appear personal, but in this case you have been gratuitous with your criticism of others. So I will say it: your 02:06 posting exposes your total ignorance of the measures required to cope with extreme winter weather conditions in an airport context. Safety - not expediency - is paramount. Your posting comes across as sour, ill-tempered and extremely silly.
Well done to the MAN snow-clearing teams working flat out to keep the airport functioning as well as it is during these days of severe weather conditions. Afew of us here recognize and appreciate your efforts.
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Snow
Just popped outside (Cheadle near MAN) 3 inches so far and still falling heavy and its not wet here its that lovely crunchy stuff !!
My kids first day back at school tomorrow, looks like they will be staying at home, half their teachers live in the hills !
Must be soul destroying for the snow teams, to be finally getting on top of last weeks snow and ice, only for it to happen all over again.
I did hear that Olympic House staff have been volunteering to clear ice, so the old "can do" attitude does exist.
MAN has lost a couple of Monarchs so far. Just heard that Airfield SNOCLO till further notice, next update 06.00hrs.
Quiet night then for the residents of south Manchester
My kids first day back at school tomorrow, looks like they will be staying at home, half their teachers live in the hills !
Must be soul destroying for the snow teams, to be finally getting on top of last weeks snow and ice, only for it to happen all over again.
I did hear that Olympic House staff have been volunteering to clear ice, so the old "can do" attitude does exist.
MAN has lost a couple of Monarchs so far. Just heard that Airfield SNOCLO till further notice, next update 06.00hrs.
Quiet night then for the residents of south Manchester
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Quiet night then for the residents of south Manchester 
Still coming down here for at least another 2.5 hours from the met office radar plot
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0130 Closed again. Never seen anything so pathetic as this airport's "management" efforts. Lamentable. They deserve to go bust, but will doubtless keep pulling their big salaries and bonusses. And the movements number continues to plummet. Rubbish airport.
Sorry Roy but have to jump to their defence here, since 2300 hours last night we have had 6 inches !!! of snow fall, take a ganders at the lat six hours metars...
EGCC 050720Z 17006KT 1000 SN OVC005 M01/M01 Q1003 7355////
EGCC 050650Z AUTO 16006KT 0600NDV SN SCT003/// BKN007/// M01/M01 Q1003 7355////
EGCC 050620Z AUTO 17006KT 0550NDV SN FEW004/// BKN007/// M01/M01 Q1004 7355////
EGCC 050550Z 18004KT 140V220 3900 -SN BKN012 M01/M01 Q1004 7355//// NOSIG
EGCC 050520Z 16006KT 9999 FEW018 SCT022 M01/M01 Q1004 7355//// BECMG 4000 -SN
EGCC 050450Z 16007KT 9999 FEW017 SCT023 M01/M01 Q1005 7355//// TEMPO 4000 -SN BKN010
EGCC 050420Z 16005KT 8000 SCT017 BKN025 M01/M01 Q1006 7355//// TEMPO 2500 SHSN
EGCC 050350Z 17007KT 2500 -SN SCT005 SCT008 M01/M01 Q1006 RESN 7355//// TEMPO SN BKN008
EGCC 050320Z AUTO 17006KT 0650NDV SN VV/// M01/M01 Q1007 7355////
EGCC 050250Z AUTO 18009KT 0550NDV SN BKN003/// SCT006/// M01/M01 Q1007 7355////
EGCC 050220Z AUTO 19007KT 1200NDV SN BKN003/// M01/M01 Q1008 7355////
EGCC 050150Z 18006KT 2000 +SN BKN005 M01/M01 Q1008 7355//// TEMPO 7000 NSW BKN010
Would like to see any airport that isnt a regular snow airport stay open in that.
Sorry Roy but have to jump to their defence here, since 2300 hours last night we have had 6 inches !!! of snow fall, take a ganders at the lat six hours metars...
EGCC 050720Z 17006KT 1000 SN OVC005 M01/M01 Q1003 7355////
EGCC 050650Z AUTO 16006KT 0600NDV SN SCT003/// BKN007/// M01/M01 Q1003 7355////
EGCC 050620Z AUTO 17006KT 0550NDV SN FEW004/// BKN007/// M01/M01 Q1004 7355////
EGCC 050550Z 18004KT 140V220 3900 -SN BKN012 M01/M01 Q1004 7355//// NOSIG
EGCC 050520Z 16006KT 9999 FEW018 SCT022 M01/M01 Q1004 7355//// BECMG 4000 -SN
EGCC 050450Z 16007KT 9999 FEW017 SCT023 M01/M01 Q1005 7355//// TEMPO 4000 -SN BKN010
EGCC 050420Z 16005KT 8000 SCT017 BKN025 M01/M01 Q1006 7355//// TEMPO 2500 SHSN
EGCC 050350Z 17007KT 2500 -SN SCT005 SCT008 M01/M01 Q1006 RESN 7355//// TEMPO SN BKN008
EGCC 050320Z AUTO 17006KT 0650NDV SN VV/// M01/M01 Q1007 7355////
EGCC 050250Z AUTO 18009KT 0550NDV SN BKN003/// SCT006/// M01/M01 Q1007 7355////
EGCC 050220Z AUTO 19007KT 1200NDV SN BKN003/// M01/M01 Q1008 7355////
EGCC 050150Z 18006KT 2000 +SN BKN005 M01/M01 Q1008 7355//// TEMPO 7000 NSW BKN010
Would like to see any airport that isnt a regular snow airport stay open in that.
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Snow clearance volunteers
Anybody from MAG reading this ?
Is there a pool of volunteers available to help sort out the problems ? Tel no. ?
I am off for a couple of days, would like to assist rather than slag off as some seem to do.
Is there a pool of volunteers available to help sort out the problems ? Tel no. ?
I am off for a couple of days, would like to assist rather than slag off as some seem to do.