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Absolute bollox, they haven't decided anything that far ahead on any route yet. You've either made that up yourself, or whoever 'told' you did. I'll go with the former myself.
Are you sure you didn't see an email about a possible diversion again ?.
Are you sure you didn't see an email about a possible diversion again ?.
Join Date: Jun 2001
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The suggetsion of a pull-out by SQ was met with a bewildered response from those who would know if it were true; yet another bollox PPRUNE exclusive
The understanding is that the B744s and non-ER 772s are being drawn down and sent to the desert whilst the younger ERs will take on the longer "regional" routes, along with the brand new A333s.
The net result is a 20% drop in long haul metal and an overall 17% drop in capacity across the network.
There are positive signs, despite the bears on here and spotters.net claiming SQ are about to pull out; MAN is down by one rotation a week. Other stations are closing down right now, whilst others are seeing dramatic reductions; even LHR is not immune to this, as one of their dailies will be going down to a 77W.
Rgds
The understanding is that the B744s and non-ER 772s are being drawn down and sent to the desert whilst the younger ERs will take on the longer "regional" routes, along with the brand new A333s.
The net result is a 20% drop in long haul metal and an overall 17% drop in capacity across the network.
There are positive signs, despite the bears on here and spotters.net claiming SQ are about to pull out; MAN is down by one rotation a week. Other stations are closing down right now, whilst others are seeing dramatic reductions; even LHR is not immune to this, as one of their dailies will be going down to a 77W.
Rgds
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I meant regional asian routes, plus closer Oz stations will see the non -ER 777s replaced by brand new A333s and will see B772-ERs "abused" for the same purpose, doing a mix of intra-asian rotations and long haul.
The 772-ER is the only remotely suitable aircraft for SQ and MAN presently, so there will be no change there.
There is no plan or intention to use the A333s beyond Asia and Oz.
Rgds.
The 772-ER is the only remotely suitable aircraft for SQ and MAN presently, so there will be no change there.
There is no plan or intention to use the A333s beyond Asia and Oz.
Rgds.
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Singapore Airlines are down from 5 to 3 flights a week, a reduction of 2 flights a week with Monday and Friday flights being withdrawn. It had been hoped that SQ would increase the service to daily from Manchester this summer.
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I meant regional asian routes, plus closer Oz stations will see the non -ER 777s replaced by brand new A333s and will see B772-ERs "abused" for the same purpose, doing a mix of intra-asian rotations and long haul.
The 772-ER is the only remotely suitable aircraft for SQ and MAN presently, so there will be no change there.
The 772-ER is the only remotely suitable aircraft for SQ and MAN presently, so there will be no change there.
The 772ER's have been 'abused' like that since they got them. They do short regional rotations during the day after coming in from a long haul and prior to going back out late at night. Out of 50+ SIN-SGN vv flights I've done, all but 3 have been on a SpaceBed equipped 772ER. I've even arrived in from MAN and gone on to SGN or in from SGN and on to MAN on the same a/c from the same gate a few times.
MAN has always been under pressure while the oil price kept going up. It's the longest nonstop 777 flight SQ did so the operating costs kept getting higher up to and over a tipping point. Even though oil is noe much cheaper, some idiot(s) at SQ have hedged 44% of their fuel at 131 US Dollars a barrel, hence the high surcharges that are still in place.
The really sad thing about SQ and MAN is we were very close to going to 9 or 10 rotations a week about 2 years ago, with a request in for a late departure Friday, Saturday and/or Sunday being seriously considered, but they didn't have the spare a/c due to the A380 delays.
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SQ and MAN
Difficult times. Worrying news about SQ. But at least they are still flying the route, hopefully keeping it warm for a return to growth at some stage. Old timers like me may recall the publicity campaign run by SQ in conjunction with MAN back in the early 1980s, with the aim of securing respective government approval to fly SIN-MAN. At the time the bilateral agreement only allowed 7 flights per week UK-Singapore by each of SQ and BA. SQ desperately wanted to open MAN but BA didn't and opposed. It took an almighty lobbying effort - including a one-off non-scheduled SQ B747 promotional visit in 1984 before the deadlock was broken. A scheduled SQ B743-Combi finally landed at MAN in April 1986. The initial frequency was just 2 per week with an en-route stop each way. I was there that morning to hear Manchester ATC say 'Singapore 337 Good Morning, and Welcome' and to witness the Big Top touch down. Like QF three years earlier, it was a seminal moment. QF are long gone from 53N 002W. I hope I will never hear us say Goodbye to one of the pioneers of MANs erstwhile Golden Age.
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This is the end .......my only far-east friend
the end........of sing-a-pore at MAN ........the end,
I'll never look at your triple sevens again..........
Can you picture what we'll be .........so flightless
as can be...........desperately in need of a
direct carrier........in a ......major hub land !
MM
This is the end .......my only far-east friend
the end........of sing-a-pore at MAN ........the end,
I'll never look at your triple sevens again..........
Can you picture what we'll be .........so flightless
as can be...........desperately in need of a
direct carrier........in a ......major hub land !
MM
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So anybody definitively know what's going on with the Jet2 contract? Seems that this saga has gone on forever. Summer schedule will be here before you know it!
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Manchesters golden age is over. The truth is that with a STAR feed to Heathrow with BMI and a new fleet of A380s to fill the writing is on the wall....
It's interesting that BMI have dumped both Leeds and Teesside but kept Manchester.....
A great shame, I agree.
It's interesting that BMI have dumped both Leeds and Teesside but kept Manchester.....
A great shame, I agree.
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A scheduled SQ B743-Combi finally landed at MAN in April 1986.
Manchesters golden age is over. The truth is that with a STAR feed to Heathrow with BMI and a new fleet of A380s to fill the writing is on the wall....
I've got news for you fella, everybody's Golden Age is over at the moment.
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Stop being so bloody chippy !
I was agreeing with you that it's a shame but as the legacy airlines move to hub and focus city operations this sort of thing happens.
My concern would identifying why what were historically MAN's strongest supporters are way less committed to the airport. First American drops the daily ORD to 5 a week for the winter ( has this ever happened in 20 years of ops?)and now Singapore drops frequency as well.
It's NOT as if there is a MASSIVE amount of long haul competition at MAN, there's a damn good choice but it ain't saturation point. As to the reductions at LHR, a B744 to a B77W isn't really a massive drop and when factored in to the A380 capacity, it makes sense.
I was agreeing with you that it's a shame but as the legacy airlines move to hub and focus city operations this sort of thing happens.
My concern would identifying why what were historically MAN's strongest supporters are way less committed to the airport. First American drops the daily ORD to 5 a week for the winter ( has this ever happened in 20 years of ops?)and now Singapore drops frequency as well.
It's NOT as if there is a MASSIVE amount of long haul competition at MAN, there's a damn good choice but it ain't saturation point. As to the reductions at LHR, a B744 to a B77W isn't really a massive drop and when factored in to the A380 capacity, it makes sense.
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I thought the AA Chicago was going back up to daily.
Has it been changed again?
Has it been changed again?
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Manchesters golden age is over. The truth is that with a STAR feed to Heathrow with BMI and a new fleet of A380s to fill the writing is on the wall....
Times have changed. We now have very successful services to most of the world's primary hubs (with one or two exceptions)....EWR, ORD, ATL, PHL, DXB, AUH, DOH and SIN. I fail to see how you think the golden age is over.
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God it`s slit your wrist time, it`s a depression it`s hurting not just Manchester but most airports in the western world.
The depression will end and things will improve again and airlines will want to find work for their aircraft if they survive.
Ian
The depression will end and things will improve again and airlines will want to find work for their aircraft if they survive.
Ian
hey Skippy the "Golden" age for SIA may be over at MAN as they need to fill those 380s at LHR. Just remember when they started, they didn't have twice daily Emirates, daily Etihad & daily Qatari to contend with. EK is the prefered & often quickest route down to OZ from MAN now.
I'd still be surprised if they pulled out altogether.
I'd still be surprised if they pulled out altogether.
