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Thank you for all your replies.
Just to clarify what GDS shows at present.
175 - MAN-CDG-MAN 06.50 7/12 followed by MAN-CDG-MAN-HAJ-MAN
175 - BHX-DUS-BHX 07.00 7/12 followed by two more DUS rotations
175 - INV-LGW-INV on 12/12/11 three daily in the week
175 - MAN-DUS-MAN x 3 daily in the week starting 1/1/12
The displaced 195 from Inverness starts GLA-BHX 2/1/12 daily then 3 daily
I suppose all subject to change now that a firm date for the first two is known.
The last two days has seen BHX with four based 195's!
Pete
Just to clarify what GDS shows at present.
175 - MAN-CDG-MAN 06.50 7/12 followed by MAN-CDG-MAN-HAJ-MAN
175 - BHX-DUS-BHX 07.00 7/12 followed by two more DUS rotations
175 - INV-LGW-INV on 12/12/11 three daily in the week
175 - MAN-DUS-MAN x 3 daily in the week starting 1/1/12
The displaced 195 from Inverness starts GLA-BHX 2/1/12 daily then 3 daily
I suppose all subject to change now that a firm date for the first two is known.
The last two days has seen BHX with four based 195's!
Pete
I note that (amongst others), the Birmingham-Bordeaux, Birminghan-Toulouse and Southampton-Pau routes which were flown in summer 2011, do not appear to be listed for 2012.
Have all summer 2012 routes now gone on sale implying that these 3 routes have been dropped, or are there still a few more routes yet to be released for summer 2012 ?
Have all summer 2012 routes now gone on sale implying that these 3 routes have been dropped, or are there still a few more routes yet to be released for summer 2012 ?
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Reports that both have left LPA inbound Exeter 14.30-15.15.
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Yes, shame about BHX-BOD especially as they got the numbers most months and fares did not seem that cheap when I looked but I suppose there are other factors in their decision.
I have not actually looked at the revised summer schedule to see if it is finalised but the reduction in French flight frequencies is very noticeable but loads on some were certainly "soft" in May, June and September before even considering yields.
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Yes, shame about BHX-BOD especially as they got the numbers most months and fares did not seem that cheap when I looked but I suppose there are other factors in their decision.
I have not actually looked at the revised summer schedule to see if it is finalised but the reduction in French flight frequencies is very noticeable but loads on some were certainly "soft" in May, June and September before even considering yields.
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Licence revoked
Whats this all about? (From CAA OF2 No. 2030)
LICENCE REVOKED
GTB 95 Issued to Flybe Limited to operate a scheduled passenger service between Guernsey and Manchester.
LICENCE REVOKED
GTB 95 Issued to Flybe Limited to operate a scheduled passenger service between Guernsey and Manchester.
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The licence was revoked as Flybe did not operate the service this year, they only wanted to operate it when it suited them.
Aurigny have been operating a year round service for a number of years.
Aurigny have been operating a year round service for a number of years.
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Partly correct, BE like any other airline that needs to make money operated the service during the summer only. Flybe and Aurigny had operated head to head on the GCI MAN as they do on the GCI LGW but demand meant that BE only wished to operate a summer service when more people opted to travel to the Island. During the winter months there were not sufficient numbers to justify two operators on the route.
Good luck to SI who now operate on it too!
GCI is a very backward operation
Good luck to SI who now operate on it too!
GCI is a very backward operation
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I really have to disagree with you that GCI is a 'backward operation'. By the way, SI only compete on JER - MAN, not from GCI.
The reason for the withdrawal is that Flybe are very selective as to when they run the route, see here for a story on their out of the blue 2008 suspension. Then they complained about a lack of open skies policy when their license was withdrawn. We don't have room for cherry-picking in Guernsey and Alderney, and Aurigny generally serve those communities very well well. As such, they are rewarded for it and Flybe should either be more consistent over the winter months or they shouldn't complain.
The Isle of Man is currently suffering at the hands of the locos and an open-skies policy - whilst easyJet has taken the NW England market by storm, the routes to Blackpool and Manchester have suffered by consequence. Flybe has cut capacity to the island severely... there are some places where the approach simply doesn't work.
The reason for the withdrawal is that Flybe are very selective as to when they run the route, see here for a story on their out of the blue 2008 suspension. Then they complained about a lack of open skies policy when their license was withdrawn. We don't have room for cherry-picking in Guernsey and Alderney, and Aurigny generally serve those communities very well well. As such, they are rewarded for it and Flybe should either be more consistent over the winter months or they shouldn't complain.
The Isle of Man is currently suffering at the hands of the locos and an open-skies policy - whilst easyJet has taken the NW England market by storm, the routes to Blackpool and Manchester have suffered by consequence. Flybe has cut capacity to the island severely... there are some places where the approach simply doesn't work.
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You can't blame flybe really. If it was viable to run year round or a higher frequency then they would do so.
If it doesn't make money they cut it. They are a business after all. Flybe will never win where Aurigny is concerned. The only reason why they wouldn't let the 195 into GCI is because it would make Aurigny suffer. It was nothing to do with the runway.
If Aurigny wanted to bring in a jet would they be stopped....probably not. If aurigny wanted to compete on a flybe route, would they be stopped, probably not.
I have booked alot of flight to LGW from GCI with Flybe lately, yes they have delays, as all airlines do but on the dates i've needed, Aurigny have never beat them on price, not even if I book a bag and all the extras
I'm still paying for Aurigny anyway if I use them or not. Every tax payer in Guernsey is. Any other airline in their situation would have folded by now
If it doesn't make money they cut it. They are a business after all. Flybe will never win where Aurigny is concerned. The only reason why they wouldn't let the 195 into GCI is because it would make Aurigny suffer. It was nothing to do with the runway.
If Aurigny wanted to bring in a jet would they be stopped....probably not. If aurigny wanted to compete on a flybe route, would they be stopped, probably not.
I have booked alot of flight to LGW from GCI with Flybe lately, yes they have delays, as all airlines do but on the dates i've needed, Aurigny have never beat them on price, not even if I book a bag and all the extras
I'm still paying for Aurigny anyway if I use them or not. Every tax payer in Guernsey is. Any other airline in their situation would have folded by now
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I think you will find that Aurigny was on the route before Flybe so therefore Flybe was granted a licence to compete with Aurigny despite Aurigny already operating a 2 x daily service. There has been no sign of Flybe on the Manchester route for some time now (including summer services). It is just a question of an unused licence being revoked. Blue Islands was also allowed to compete with Aurigny on both the Jersey and Alderney routes. I for one am quite happy as a tax payer to support Aurigny - better that than the fate of those living in the southwest when the main sole operator (or sole operator in the case of Plymouth) decides to close down its operation. It is funny that sometimes the people who complain about the Guernsey tax payer having to help support Aurigny are not always Guernsey tax payers. There was overwhelming support recently from the public in Guernsey to keep the company state owned rather than sell it to Blue Islands. Having said all of the above I am a supporter of Flybe and I have used them several times this year and Guernsey would be alot worse off without them. What you don't want is one operator having everything their own way.
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I fully agree. I recently priced up a return trip GCI to LGW with both airlines Flybe were cheaper even with bags. Yes Aurigny give you free baggae your ticket price is always more anyway so you ARE paying for it. What people who dont use this route also dont also realise is the difference in aircraft. Many times I have been on the red eye flight with Flybe and we have departed 5-10 minutes after the Aurigny ATR and landed at gatwick before them. Another issue i have with Aurigny is when you arrive at gatwick they open check in about 1 1/2 to 2 hours before your flight. So if you do have cases you have to cart them around with you. The dash (Flybe) is also so much quieter than the ATR. As for the state yes they totally favour Aurigny BECAUSE THEY OWN THEM. It is a total farce the way they handle licences. As for the manchester route Flybe use to operate at midday whereas Aurigny operated early and lates. Blue Islands get around this by putting people on a Guernsey to Jersey interisland flight and then transfer them to the Jersey to Manchester flight. (They also do this on their London City route as they were not given a licence for this as well seeing as in would interfere with Aurignys gatwick route). Unfortunately Flybe cant do this why? BECAUSE THE STATES DONT LET THEM SELL GUERNSEY TO JERSEY TICKETS except 24 hrs in advance as Aurigny run that route. The sooner we get an open skies policy the better. What they need to realise is if one airline pushes another off the route and then hikes their prices up another airline will come in.
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you can book an inter island flight with flybe in advance now. I did it myself a few months ago. Once again they were the cheapest. The 175's are starting to arrive in the next couple of days. the 1st 26 are apparently replacing dashes as they leave the fleet. As soon as the GCI runway is done, I give it a matter of days before one is based on the rock
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The sooner the better for the Guernsey Jet Service. Im sure your right GCI lover. After booking recently with Flybe i was sent an e-mail asking to do a survey. It was aimed at Guernsey residents and questions highly pointed at how they could better the Blue Islands / Aurigny services including how much would you like to see the Jet back. Im sure these surveys went out Flybe users with rewards accounts and im also sure 99% of them always try to use flybe and would have put YES we want a jet service back.
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they wouldn't let the 195 into GCI is because it would make Aurigny suffer. It was nothing to do with the runway.
London City route as they were not given a licence for this
Nobody wants a monopoly but what we have currently is a system which favours having as many links as possible; eg. SI's GCI - BRS application was turned down because GR loads are already poor and BE's GCI - MAN licence was withdrawn because they haven't flown the route for years!
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I really have to disagree with you that GCI is a 'backward operation'. By the way, SI only compete on JER - MAN, not from GCI.
The reason for the withdrawal is that Flybe are very selective as to when they run the route, see here for a story on their out of the blue 2008 suspension. Then they complained about a lack of open skies policy when their license was withdrawn. We don't have room for cherry-picking in Guernsey and Alderney, and Aurigny generally serve those communities very well well. As such, they are rewarded for it and Flybe should either be more consistent over the winter months or they shouldn't complain.
The reason for the withdrawal is that Flybe are very selective as to when they run the route, see here for a story on their out of the blue 2008 suspension. Then they complained about a lack of open skies policy when their license was withdrawn. We don't have room for cherry-picking in Guernsey and Alderney, and Aurigny generally serve those communities very well well. As such, they are rewarded for it and Flybe should either be more consistent over the winter months or they shouldn't complain.
Flybe are a company, not a charity, and as such need to make money through fares and ancilliary revenue. They are not subsidised as are other airlines and therefore 'cherry picking' routes is what enables them to serve these communities in the long run. By operating a route all year long that makes no money, the airline could well end up making heavy losses and that said community could lose the airline and its routes all together. This wont happen to Aurigny though as the States will always bail them out if they needed to using the tax payers money I expect.
Anyway, the license has been revoked and thats it. Just wanted to clarify that its not a case of BE operating any routes when it suits them, more when demand allows.
I cannot comment on the E195 bit because I do not know the ins and outs. I was aware that the E175 was granted approval but this was stopped because of yet another disagreement between the States and BE. Considering that BE have been in GCI for years, and has had a big impact on enabling the airport to develop, it is a shame that there is not more (apparent) support and a constructive relationship between the two.
As for rickety planes, I am unsure as to what you mean exactly when you refer to the Landing Gears. I can only assume you are referring to the problems that happened a couple of years ago which didnt actually have any direct link to BE. So irrelevant really. However some of the older Q400's are being phased out as the company had intended - the average age of the fleet is still very young all things considered.
Does anyone know if BHD is likely to get any based 175s?
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First 2 of the Flybe 175's arrived yesterday 26/11 into Exeter and are currently sat northside(by the old A30) awaiting to go into the hangar for the mod's to take place.
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Following completion of the works to the runway and aprons, Guernsey Airport will be able to accept A320s, EMB175s and EM195s. There will be 3 or 4 stands available to accept aircraft of that size. Obvious there will still be a range issue owing to the length of the runway.
As regards operating routes for part of a year, that is fine. German flights etc only operate in the summer season. Living on an island is different to airports in the UK as the airport here is a lifelife and therefore it is essential that there is an airline prepared to operate year round services for without these we would be stuck on this piece of land of 25 square miles! If we have to provide financial support to an airline to guarantee a year round service then it is a price we have to pay, we have no choice as the business community relies on it.
As regards operating routes for part of a year, that is fine. German flights etc only operate in the summer season. Living on an island is different to airports in the UK as the airport here is a lifelife and therefore it is essential that there is an airline prepared to operate year round services for without these we would be stuck on this piece of land of 25 square miles! If we have to provide financial support to an airline to guarantee a year round service then it is a price we have to pay, we have no choice as the business community relies on it.
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I cannot comment on the E195 bit because I do not know the ins and outs. I was aware that the E175 was granted approval but this was stopped because of yet another disagreement between the States and BE. Considering that BE have been in GCI for years, and has had a big impact on enabling the airport to develop, it is a shame that there is not more (apparent) support and a constructive relationship between the two.
Flybe made a big fuss about Guernsey being the first place to get the E175 with adverts in the local press and on the web, then they changed their mind.