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Think you will find that the delay's of the last couple of day's have been due to the French Air traffic Controller's going on strike, which caused several aircraft to be stranded or very severly delayed.
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Originally Posted by Whispering Giant
Think you will find that the delay's of the last couple of day's have been due to the French Air traffic Controller's going on strike
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Agreed on this...
There seems to be a lot of hearsay about Finnair - but the airfield briefs for this region (Scandanavia, and a few others!)have appeared on the destination briefing page in the last week.
It has gone quiet quiet, but as far as I'm aware, it's still going ahead.
There seems to be a lot of hearsay about Finnair - but the airfield briefs for this region (Scandanavia, and a few others!)have appeared on the destination briefing page in the last week.
It has gone quiet quiet, but as far as I'm aware, it's still going ahead.
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So whats the latest on the Finnair deal? Any of these rumour's confirmed or is it simply galley FM on overdrive since not much has been said recently?
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BE/AF code-share
First phase of BE/AF code share flights have gone on sale for MAN/BHX to CDG and SOU-ORY.
There are significant capacity increases from BE:
MAN-CDG will increase from 3/4x daily Q400 to 4x E195 and 3x Q400 (weekdays) plus up to 7x daily AF operated flights.
BHX-CDH will increase from 3x daily Q400 to 6x daily E195 (weekdays) plus up to 6x daily AF operated flights.
Also looks like two BE E195's will night stop at CDG to operate early departures from CDG back to MAN and BHX.
SOU-ORY will be 3x daily Q400 in addition to 3x daily AF operated flights.
Looks like MAN will get a second E195 to operate the additional services (unless the MXP will be shunted onto a Q400).
There are significant capacity increases from BE:
MAN-CDG will increase from 3/4x daily Q400 to 4x E195 and 3x Q400 (weekdays) plus up to 7x daily AF operated flights.
BHX-CDH will increase from 3x daily Q400 to 6x daily E195 (weekdays) plus up to 6x daily AF operated flights.
Also looks like two BE E195's will night stop at CDG to operate early departures from CDG back to MAN and BHX.
SOU-ORY will be 3x daily Q400 in addition to 3x daily AF operated flights.
Looks like MAN will get a second E195 to operate the additional services (unless the MXP will be shunted onto a Q400).
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Confirmed now here
Finnish national carrier Finnair and Finncomm Airlines announced today that they have agreed on cooperation in this winter season's flight traffic and on sale of 20% of Finncomm to Finnair. The deal represents a major victory for Finnair that had for some time been battling attempts by Latvian airline airBaltic to take over Finncomm, according to newspaper reports.
Under the code-share agreement with Finnair, Finncomm will in addition to several Finnish destinations also fly to Tallinn, as it has to date.
As a feeder airline for Finnair, Finncomm's timetable is adjusted so that it fits well with the timetables of Finnair's international scheduled traffic.
The new commercial agreement replaces the previously announced agreement between Finnair and the airline Flybe on the arrangement of feeder traffic. Nevertheless, negotiations on cooperation with Flybe in other traffic will continue.
Finnair said also it had signed a preliminary agreement on the purchase of a 20 percent minority interest in Finncomm Airlines and on the acquisition of the entire share stock of the companies that own the Finncomm Group's 12 ATR aircraft.
The purchase price for the aircraft companies is a preliminary 38 million euros.
(including debt). The purchase price of 20 percent of Finncomm Airlines is a preliminary 10 million euros which also takes into account the possibility of increasing ownership in FCA at a later date.
In 2009 Finncomm Airlines declared turnover of 86.7 million euros. Finncomm and subsidiaries involved in Finncomm's business operations have around 325 employees.
Under the code-share agreement with Finnair, Finncomm will in addition to several Finnish destinations also fly to Tallinn, as it has to date.
As a feeder airline for Finnair, Finncomm's timetable is adjusted so that it fits well with the timetables of Finnair's international scheduled traffic.
The new commercial agreement replaces the previously announced agreement between Finnair and the airline Flybe on the arrangement of feeder traffic. Nevertheless, negotiations on cooperation with Flybe in other traffic will continue.
Finnair said also it had signed a preliminary agreement on the purchase of a 20 percent minority interest in Finncomm Airlines and on the acquisition of the entire share stock of the companies that own the Finncomm Group's 12 ATR aircraft.
The purchase price for the aircraft companies is a preliminary 38 million euros.
(including debt). The purchase price of 20 percent of Finncomm Airlines is a preliminary 10 million euros which also takes into account the possibility of increasing ownership in FCA at a later date.
In 2009 Finncomm Airlines declared turnover of 86.7 million euros. Finncomm and subsidiaries involved in Finncomm's business operations have around 325 employees.
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Flybe Finnair
Looks like there is still some Devon/Nordic chit chat going on. Just spotted this on ATI:
Flybe still discussing co-operation pact with Finnair
(09Sep10 15:20 GMT) David Kaminski-Morrow, London
UK regional airline Flybe is still intending to operate in the Scandinavian market for Finnair despite the flag-carrier's new feeder arrangement with Finncomm Airlines.
Flybe had been planning to operate feeder routes to Helsinki from three regional cities, but Finnair has instead switched these services to Finncomm.
Despite the change Flybe and Finnair insist they are still in "detailed and deep dialogue" on several new developments.
The two airlines expect the talks to generate a "significant co-operation agreement" which could yet involve Flybe's deploying aircraft in the Scandinavian market and operating a range of services in the region.
Finnair senior vice-president of operations Ville Iho says the airline will "need a solid partner" to provide competitive, high-quality services as it develops its presence in the Nordic states, adding: "Flybe definitely meets those criteria."
Flybe still discussing co-operation pact with Finnair
(09Sep10 15:20 GMT) David Kaminski-Morrow, London
UK regional airline Flybe is still intending to operate in the Scandinavian market for Finnair despite the flag-carrier's new feeder arrangement with Finncomm Airlines.
Flybe had been planning to operate feeder routes to Helsinki from three regional cities, but Finnair has instead switched these services to Finncomm.
Despite the change Flybe and Finnair insist they are still in "detailed and deep dialogue" on several new developments.
The two airlines expect the talks to generate a "significant co-operation agreement" which could yet involve Flybe's deploying aircraft in the Scandinavian market and operating a range of services in the region.
Finnair senior vice-president of operations Ville Iho says the airline will "need a solid partner" to provide competitive, high-quality services as it develops its presence in the Nordic states, adding: "Flybe definitely meets those criteria."
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Increase is not the word for BHX - nine flights reduced to six!!!!
Not completely done the sums but it appears a slight loss of seats,
six movements a day less in summer and four in winter.
The good news for BHX one AF flight is a A318 but still two RJ85's.
Only three flights showing on the AF site are flybe although I must
admit I thought all the flights on the BE site were showing as 195's.
I will re-check but it looks like a loss of seats, frequency and competition.
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Increase is not the word for BHX - nine flights reduced to six!!!!
Not completely done the sums but it appears a slight loss of seats,
six movements a day less in summer and four in winter.
The good news for BHX one AF flight is a A318 but still two RJ85's.
Only three flights showing on the AF site are flybe although I must
admit I thought all the flights on the BE site were showing as 195's.
I will re-check but it looks like a loss of seats, frequency and competition.
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Why has flybe decided to operate to orly from Southampton? I know Air France had transferred their own route there but all of flybe's other routes go through CDG. Seems strange.
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Something not quite right with the booking engines but the times match
from BHX - 3 x BE and 3 x AF. Basically the Air France times are kept and
the flybe ones gone.
flybe £80 return base fare AF £212 for the same flight!!!.
Manchester goes from 5 x AF and 3 x BE to 4 x BE (2 x Q400, 2 x 195)
and 3 x AF (2 x 320 and 1 x 321).
Massive savings on night-stops for Air France as BHX first out is a flybe
195 and MAN has a 195 depart at 06.15 followed by a Q400 at 06.45.
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from BHX - 3 x BE and 3 x AF. Basically the Air France times are kept and
the flybe ones gone.
flybe £80 return base fare AF £212 for the same flight!!!.
Manchester goes from 5 x AF and 3 x BE to 4 x BE (2 x Q400, 2 x 195)
and 3 x AF (2 x 320 and 1 x 321).
Massive savings on night-stops for Air France as BHX first out is a flybe
195 and MAN has a 195 depart at 06.15 followed by a Q400 at 06.45.
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There are significant capacity increases from BE:
MAN-CDG will increase from 3/4x daily Q400 to 4x E195 and 3x Q400 (weekdays) plus up to 7x daily AF operated flights.
BHX-CDH will increase from 3x daily Q400 to 6x daily E195 (weekdays) plus up to 6x daily AF operated flights.
Also looks like two BE E195's will night stop at CDG to operate early departures from CDG back to MAN and BHX.
SOU-ORY will be 3x daily Q400 in addition to 3x daily AF operated flights.
Looks like MAN will get a second E195 to operate the additional services (unless the MXP will be shunted onto a Q400).
MAN-CDG will increase from 3/4x daily Q400 to 4x E195 and 3x Q400 (weekdays) plus up to 7x daily AF operated flights.
BHX-CDH will increase from 3x daily Q400 to 6x daily E195 (weekdays) plus up to 6x daily AF operated flights.
Also looks like two BE E195's will night stop at CDG to operate early departures from CDG back to MAN and BHX.
SOU-ORY will be 3x daily Q400 in addition to 3x daily AF operated flights.
Looks like MAN will get a second E195 to operate the additional services (unless the MXP will be shunted onto a Q400).
I'm not sure that BE would nightstop their aircraft in CDG. Surely it would be most cost effective to have AF operating these early CDG departures?
With SOUORY I would very much doubt that a coopertation would see the two airlines actively compete. I reckon you'll see AF stop operating this route, particularly if BE have already put the route on sale.
There has to be cost efficiencies in there for both airlines otherwise this partnership doesn't really yield much for either party.
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Yeah i'm sure they will stop operating it themself but why not choose CDG over Orly? All flybe's other routes go through CDG and there are more connections through it. Doesn't make sense.
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The SOUORL route with AF is stopping and Flybe is simply replacing them. Because both airlines were operating into Paris and the majority of traffic seem to prefer ORL, this was the one they went for.
Flybe have made several statements that they may well bring back 1 or 2 daily CDG rotations but not straight away
Flybe have made several statements that they may well bring back 1 or 2 daily CDG rotations but not straight away
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From BE:
Today we have put an early selection of seats on sale offering increased choice, capacity, enhanced services and added frequency on key routes to France.
It’s all about lots of new seats now on sale for travel effective October 31st in an exciting package that includes more choice, more flights, more routes, added frequency and enhanced services to France for Flybe passengers!
In what is the first of a two-phase release resulting from our recently announced codeshare arrangement with Air France, we have announced four significant pieces of news that greatly enhance our services into Paris:
An increased choice of up to 14 daily flights to and from Manchester and Paris (CDG)
An increased choice of up to 12 flights a day to and from Birmingham and Paris (CDG)
A new service operating between Edinburgh and Paris (CDG) offering up to six flights a day
Increased frequency on our new route to and from Southampton airport and Paris Orly airport with up to six convenient flights a day
In what will prove yet another real benefit to Flybe passengers, effective October 31st, all of our services to and from Paris Charles de Gaulle airport will conveniently connect to the Air France hub at Terminal 2E. This will greatly expand Flybe’s global reach and allow seamless and easy access to all of Air France’s extensive international services.
Today we have put an early selection of seats on sale offering increased choice, capacity, enhanced services and added frequency on key routes to France.
It’s all about lots of new seats now on sale for travel effective October 31st in an exciting package that includes more choice, more flights, more routes, added frequency and enhanced services to France for Flybe passengers!
In what is the first of a two-phase release resulting from our recently announced codeshare arrangement with Air France, we have announced four significant pieces of news that greatly enhance our services into Paris:
An increased choice of up to 14 daily flights to and from Manchester and Paris (CDG)
An increased choice of up to 12 flights a day to and from Birmingham and Paris (CDG)
A new service operating between Edinburgh and Paris (CDG) offering up to six flights a day
Increased frequency on our new route to and from Southampton airport and Paris Orly airport with up to six convenient flights a day
In what will prove yet another real benefit to Flybe passengers, effective October 31st, all of our services to and from Paris Charles de Gaulle airport will conveniently connect to the Air France hub at Terminal 2E. This will greatly expand Flybe’s global reach and allow seamless and easy access to all of Air France’s extensive international services.
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Cheers for this, someone on a BHX forum has managed to dip into GDS
and indeed he says six BHX services are showing as 195's but this is at
odds to the Air France website.
Although I did say that something was up as all BHX flights had defaulted
to £212 return, which I should have known is give away that things are in
the process of change.
Having said that, 12 a day seems massive overkill even with the code-share.
BHX - CDG only averages around 25-30k pax per month.
Pete
Cheers for this, someone on a BHX forum has managed to dip into GDS
and indeed he says six BHX services are showing as 195's but this is at
odds to the Air France website.
Although I did say that something was up as all BHX flights had defaulted
to £212 return, which I should have known is give away that things are in
the process of change.
Having said that, 12 a day seems massive overkill even with the code-share.
BHX - CDG only averages around 25-30k pax per month.
Pete