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Flybe did have a foothold at LCY -started in a blaze of glory with routes to Scotland etc. Soone faded away with some routes transferring to Scot for a while. Why would they go back?
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Technically.....
Flybe have never flown from LCY. Their predecessor, the full service and loss making regional carrier Jersey European Airways did.
The current flybe business model isn't a great match for LCY so taking on Cityjet would entail running two carriers with two different business models. Then throw in ScotAirways and VLM into the mix and you have four ingredients. We could make it five if you took the previous post about folding KLM Cityhopper in there as well.
The current flybe business model isn't a great match for LCY so taking on Cityjet would entail running two carriers with two different business models. Then throw in ScotAirways and VLM into the mix and you have four ingredients. We could make it five if you took the previous post about folding KLM Cityhopper in there as well.
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The company use to operate but with DC8-200's from memory. Think it has been proven that anythin bellow a 50 seater can not make money at LCY. I am pretty sure we will see the 175's at LCY, to much of a coincidence that BA already operate them and have shown flybe that they are viable. Plus cityjet kind of sticks out like a sore thum in AF's stable as it is a regional that is based in Ireland. I think its very possible that flybe will take over.
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Jim French has said that they are looking at carriers which are 'digestible, rather than transformational' and a 'bridgehead into Europe'
Flybe Pursuing Two Purchases as It Seeks to Build European Bases, CEO Says - Bloomberg
Cityjet would be very challenging to 'digest' for the reasons already mentioned here, and others, and would be mainly a further chunk of UK and Irish market share rather than a bridgehead to anywhere.
I don't think it could be sensibly considered to meet either of Jim French's criteria.
Flybe Pursuing Two Purchases as It Seeks to Build European Bases, CEO Says - Bloomberg
Cityjet would be very challenging to 'digest' for the reasons already mentioned here, and others, and would be mainly a further chunk of UK and Irish market share rather than a bridgehead to anywhere.
I don't think it could be sensibly considered to meet either of Jim French's criteria.
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Think it has been proven that anythin bellow a 50 seater can not make money at LCY
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While a lot of people are guessing which airlines Flybe hope to be taking over, could it work if they took over Eurowings which would not only work into some of Flybe's bases but would also give them a foot in the door of Germany.
Would any of these airlines work as a takeover target of Flybe?:
Finncomm-Finland despite Finnair taking 20% and dropping alleged agreement with Flybe
Luxair-Regional connections into Luxembourg could work and Luxair operate the Q400
Tyrolean-despite being owned by Austrian, could this work as they operate similiar-sized aircraft.Would be good as base to connect from their current bases in the UK to the central-european and eastern-european markets
Carpatair-again similiar-size aircraft despite carpatair operating Saab 2000's.Would open up Central and Southern European markets
Cimber Sterling-has been mentioned and seems a very logical and sensible target!!would be beneficial for many reasons, including openings for the Northern Markets, which could eventually come back and bite Finnair on the arse!!
FlyBaboo-Same Aircraft,Hubs and Valued-Slots in Switzerland,and would be a good supplement to the current network.
Others that could work: Adria Airways
KlM Cityhopper
Britair
Regional
Darwin Airlines
Blue 1
et finallement City Airline Sweden
open to debate!but probably none of these airlines will actually be said targets!!
peace to all
Would any of these airlines work as a takeover target of Flybe?:
Finncomm-Finland despite Finnair taking 20% and dropping alleged agreement with Flybe
Luxair-Regional connections into Luxembourg could work and Luxair operate the Q400
Tyrolean-despite being owned by Austrian, could this work as they operate similiar-sized aircraft.Would be good as base to connect from their current bases in the UK to the central-european and eastern-european markets
Carpatair-again similiar-size aircraft despite carpatair operating Saab 2000's.Would open up Central and Southern European markets
Cimber Sterling-has been mentioned and seems a very logical and sensible target!!would be beneficial for many reasons, including openings for the Northern Markets, which could eventually come back and bite Finnair on the arse!!
FlyBaboo-Same Aircraft,Hubs and Valued-Slots in Switzerland,and would be a good supplement to the current network.
Others that could work: Adria Airways
KlM Cityhopper
Britair
Regional
Darwin Airlines
Blue 1
et finallement City Airline Sweden
open to debate!but probably none of these airlines will actually be said targets!!
peace to all
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I am fairly confident none of those will be chosen. Either because they will not be sold by their owners or if anything they fit flybe's model less then cityjet. I reckon cityjet will be one, and the other will be either in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe. Think flybe have long wanted to get in to scandinavia but havn't for what ever reason. Plus Eastern Europe looks like a grow area to me.
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Second Coming, thank you for your response !I was just seeing what peoples opinions are on those airlines positions and to see if we can get anything more factual, even it is "the man walking the dog was out again today" or "a little birdie told me" or even "a source close to the whatever said".
However, do you have any ideas or thoughts as to what could happen in the future regarding expansion S.C?
However, do you have any ideas or thoughts as to what could happen in the future regarding expansion S.C?
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I'm pretty confident 1 of the airlines is definatley on that list!! Possibly both if the whispers im hearing are correct although not confident on the 2nd. Would also say that it may not stop at 2 watch this space over the next 18 months!!!
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Could one be BMI Regional?
But thinking of Cityjet, the emraers and q400 make ideal replacements for the RJs and F50s, so cityjet is very digestable and the routes from LCY give plenty of bridges in to Europe - especially netherlands, belgium anf luxembourg.
But thinking of Cityjet, the emraers and q400 make ideal replacements for the RJs and F50s, so cityjet is very digestable and the routes from LCY give plenty of bridges in to Europe - especially netherlands, belgium anf luxembourg.
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Well its defininetly exciting times. In regards to being rated at LCY i'm sure any aircraft that can and needs to be rated will be. Might even be a condition of the order that Embrear get it rated. Is this not what they did with BA's 170's?
Some good options there roo cat, just can't see SAS or Lufthansa selling their associated carriers as its just allowing competition in. To be honest if they were to merge with Air Berlin they could become a serious force.
Some good options there roo cat, just can't see SAS or Lufthansa selling their associated carriers as its just allowing competition in. To be honest if they were to merge with Air Berlin they could become a serious force.
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Yes Second Coming!We agree!!it will be very interesting and if what has also been mentioned on this forum tonight by WHBM we could be seeing a whole lot of additions coming soon!Watch this space!
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I just can't see FlyBe and Cityjet ever merging. LCY is a too expensive airport for FlyBe's buisiness model. FlyBe, albeit under a different name has tried LCY before and it just didn't work. FlyBe ha moved 'downmarket' since so why would it work today? If FlyBe did buy Cityjet, it would be a huge financial undertaking for FlyBe to replace all of the aircraft. I feel the FlyBe service would not go down well with the current clientele. If such a merger did go ahead, I see BA Cityflyer to see an upturn in buisiness.I would not be suprised to see a closer relationship between FlyBe and Cityjet, especially due to the new AF codeshares. Stranger things have happened in the world of aviation, so only time will tell.....
Might even be a condition of the order that Embrear get it rated. Is this not what they did with BA's 170's?.
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Flybe No1 Regional Airline in Europe and in Top 10 in World
October's edition of Airline Business has a ranking of regional airlines globally. Flybe in top 10 on revenue Globally, all other airlines in list above Flybe are North American feeder carriers who employ contract flying business models. So Flybe now largest regional carrier in world with a stand-alone business model.
Flybe is now No1 in Europe of any type of Regional carrier (Pax and Rev). Not bad for for grass skirt wearing cider drinkers!!!
Flybe is now No1 in Europe of any type of Regional carrier (Pax and Rev). Not bad for for grass skirt wearing cider drinkers!!!
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All this talk of flybe getting a foot in the door in Europe by buying a foreign airline is getting people giddy. Let's calm down a moment and look at some of the past attempts and learn from them.
BA buying (any old
)TAT to get a foothold in France, going to be the next big thing and grow the business. Lost millions.
BA buying Delta Air to get a foothold in Germany after the end of the IGS services from Berlin, making it into Deutsche BA. Lost millions and what was left was sold.
easyJet buying TEA Basle intending to get a foothold in the Swiss market. Stelio is on record as saying it was a bad move and would have made much more sense in just setting up a new airlines and starting from scratch.
This is the key. There is nothing stopping flybe operating as Ryanair do, opening bases right across Europe. Quite why this needs to involve buying out a company with a different culture, business model and then get involved in merging seniority lists I do not know. Cross border airline sales can work but the best examples so far have kept their own identity and have have similar businss models and alliances. Think Air France / KLM, Lufthansa / Austrian / bmi / Swiss and now BA / Iberia.
I think Skippy's patented Airliners.net Magical Dartboard of Acquisition and Route Planning has arrived on pprune! Woe I Say! ( Whoa surely! Ed )
BA buying (any old
)TAT to get a foothold in France, going to be the next big thing and grow the business. Lost millions.BA buying Delta Air to get a foothold in Germany after the end of the IGS services from Berlin, making it into Deutsche BA. Lost millions and what was left was sold.
easyJet buying TEA Basle intending to get a foothold in the Swiss market. Stelio is on record as saying it was a bad move and would have made much more sense in just setting up a new airlines and starting from scratch.
This is the key. There is nothing stopping flybe operating as Ryanair do, opening bases right across Europe. Quite why this needs to involve buying out a company with a different culture, business model and then get involved in merging seniority lists I do not know. Cross border airline sales can work but the best examples so far have kept their own identity and have have similar businss models and alliances. Think Air France / KLM, Lufthansa / Austrian / bmi / Swiss and now BA / Iberia.
I think Skippy's patented Airliners.net Magical Dartboard of Acquisition and Route Planning has arrived on pprune! Woe I Say! ( Whoa surely! Ed )
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more sense in just setting up a new airlines and starting from scratch.
Is the FlyBE brand known enough across Europe to open new bases, and not have to spend an absolute fortune on advertising?? And then have to potentially complete on routes with the carrier established...