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Not sure about snob.........
£4.99/£9.99 fares are not sustainable. Ryanair can offer these as they make a lot of money on selling their aircraft to a leasing company as soon as they recieve them. They also have a lot of seats to fill, and this is where their ancilliary charges make up for the low fares. In terms of revenue, Ryanair is number two globally for the % contribution by ancilliary charges to their bottom line. When they stop receiving new aircraft expect fares to rise.
Flybe fares are more realistic/sustainable. They charge what they need to charge/can get away with, and don't have the surplus of capacity that Ryanair do. Cheap, mass market air travel is good, it keeps me in a job, £4.99 fares won't.
I would happily bet that the only significant cost reduction to the industry in the last 15 years or so is ticketing & check-in, and that is due to the internet. Companies have just had to become more lean to find other savings.
Flybe fares are more realistic/sustainable. They charge what they need to charge/can get away with, and don't have the surplus of capacity that Ryanair do. Cheap, mass market air travel is good, it keeps me in a job, £4.99 fares won't.
I would happily bet that the only significant cost reduction to the industry in the last 15 years or so is ticketing & check-in, and that is due to the internet. Companies have just had to become more lean to find other savings.
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£4.99/£9.99 fares are not sustainable.
At flybe, the cost base is higher due to multiple fleets, better paid staff and to be honest, it's not really a traditional loco. Hence when you add in all the baggage charges and pay to select a seat, the fare is quite "normal", ie like an old style air fare. It's not a criticism as it's a succesful business model, but differs from the more succesful Ryanair model. Horses for courses and no criticism meant to either.
Ryanair can offer these as they make a lot of money on selling their aircraft to a leasing company as soon as they recieve them.
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This is an oversimplification and is only a partial understanding of what makes FR tick.
better paid staff
However, whether it be the headline fare or otherwise, when FR stop recieving new aircraft, the basic fare will rise, it has to. Or an alternative method of extracting money in non-optional ancilliary charges will be used.
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Anyone know if BE has any plans to base an EMB95 at GLA?
The first GLA-BHX is pretty much always sold out now and the next gets as bad. They're now loosing Y+ custom on that route as travellers make alternative plans. I actually went BD to LHR then made my way to Euston to get the train to Birmingham a couple of weeks ago as both BE flights were full.
Don't ask why I didn't drive to EDI as I've no car and have you every actually tried to get to EDI from Glasgow by public transport....?
The first GLA-BHX is pretty much always sold out now and the next gets as bad. They're now loosing Y+ custom on that route as travellers make alternative plans. I actually went BD to LHR then made my way to Euston to get the train to Birmingham a couple of weeks ago as both BE flights were full.
Don't ask why I didn't drive to EDI as I've no car and have you every actually tried to get to EDI from Glasgow by public transport....?
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BHX-GLA
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Also the first BHX-GLA has changed from a 195 to a Q400 with the 195 going
to EDI instead, no doubt partly due to Baby pulling off that route (historically
BHX-EDI carries more than BHX-GLA).
The shame is that another 195 goes to BHD from BHX at the same time and loads rarely exceed 78 but it is required to do the BHX-MXP afterwards.
It would have been better to bring the GLA departure forward and change it
to the 195 to then turnaround for Milan and send the Q400 to BHD. However there must be a reason why that has not been done.
They must be making a mint on BHX-EDI & GLA with no competition but at
least they have increased frequencies.
I can't see anybody else taking on BHX-GLA although in future I feel FR
might give BHX-EDI a go,especially as it is between two bases (not sure
BHX-PIK would work though).
Pete
Also the first BHX-GLA has changed from a 195 to a Q400 with the 195 going
to EDI instead, no doubt partly due to Baby pulling off that route (historically
BHX-EDI carries more than BHX-GLA).
The shame is that another 195 goes to BHD from BHX at the same time and loads rarely exceed 78 but it is required to do the BHX-MXP afterwards.
It would have been better to bring the GLA departure forward and change it
to the 195 to then turnaround for Milan and send the Q400 to BHD. However there must be a reason why that has not been done.
They must be making a mint on BHX-EDI & GLA with no competition but at
least they have increased frequencies.
I can't see anybody else taking on BHX-GLA although in future I feel FR
might give BHX-EDI a go,especially as it is between two bases (not sure
BHX-PIK would work though).
Pete
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BHX-EDI
OltenPete - you are most likely correct (of course) regarding a potential for FR to ply this route in the future. Makes me think what a contrast from when I used to comute BHX-EDI on BA mainline just over 4 years ago. How the mighty have fallen...
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a contract for maintenance on the CRJ's, im using the word contract loosely though, just mean that I heard that they have won a biz deal to get some CRJ's in?? obviously no-one else has heard this...
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I believe the contract was for MRO side of the business although im sure the airline side of the business is always looking at this side of things re the smaller jet.
A couple routes Flybe have could do with a CRJ 700/900 EMB170 etc with loads not quite EMB195 but too much for the Q400 like LGW-INV BHX-MXP LGW-JER etc what does everyone think? The Q400 just doesn't replace the EMB145 on some routes. With already close tie ups with both Bombardier and Embraer surley both are possible?
A couple routes Flybe have could do with a CRJ 700/900 EMB170 etc with loads not quite EMB195 but too much for the Q400 like LGW-INV BHX-MXP LGW-JER etc what does everyone think? The Q400 just doesn't replace the EMB145 on some routes. With already close tie ups with both Bombardier and Embraer surley both are possible?
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Think they are similar in seats but think the 170 may have better distance and speed over the q400. If the CRJ was thirsty maybe they will opt for 170s.
Could the 195 drivers fly both the 170 and 195 at the same time?
I don't think my q400 qual lets me fly the 200 or 300.
Could the 195 drivers fly both the 170 and 195 at the same time?
I don't think my q400 qual lets me fly the 200 or 300.
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Yep it's the same type rating. My license only says 170 but it covers all the different marks.
The only trouble is that the 170 burns about the same amount of petrol as the 195 but it has 50 or so less seats.
The only trouble is that the 170 burns about the same amount of petrol as the 195 but it has 50 or so less seats.
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I doubt that Flybe will add any other types, or even sub-types like the E170/175. They have been working towards a two type fleet for quite some time so it would be pointless to add another type now.
Plus the Q400 is perfectly adequate for the vast majority of routes.
Plus the Q400 is perfectly adequate for the vast majority of routes.
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E195
just had smoothest flight on the E195 jet, a la 146 on landing. Well done BE, keep it going! Q400 is good too - up to 75 mins flight, after which it becomes a bit taxing. Book ahead, good fares,
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I believe the E170 carries around the same number of pax as the Q400 so there really would be little advantage to adding them to the fleet. There are only a few routes where the time saving over the Q400 would be that noticeable (MAN & BHX to MXP, maybe FRA) and personally doubt it would justify the extra fuel costs.
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175's would be a little better as they carry a few more passengers but I think they should just order a few more 195's for more popular routes and to expand their network.