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Old 9th Nov 2010, 11:27
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Surely you wouldn't expect many pax on these flights as they were the first inbound. Doubt if there is much inbound traffic on these routes.
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Old 9th Nov 2010, 12:16
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I was passenger outbound on the 5th of November departure to Gdansk and returned yesterday evening to the loudest round of applause I have ever experienced upon landing - it was rather hairy up in Yeadon last night... I estimate both flights were around 70% full and consisted almost exclusively of Polish Nationals. Is it commonplace to get a round of applause on Eastern European flights or was it just such a rough approach and a bit of sliding around on the runway, that they were glad to be back down?
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Old 9th Nov 2010, 13:45
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Probably something to do with the 90 degree of crosswind that we have seen over the last few days at times!
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Old 9th Nov 2010, 13:56
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Applause from Polish passengers is normal, they appreciate the pilots skills.
Our chavs would be writing to the Sun Newspaper complaining about dangerous flying and a near death experience where they thought they were going to die.
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Old 9th Nov 2010, 14:56
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Closely followed by instructions to a `No win no fee`scumbag lawyer in the hope of getting something for nothing
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 10:24
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Well we are a week and a half into the winter scheduled and the third ryanair 737-800 aircaft is still parked up. Each day only 2 aircarft are needed for the based operation but the 3rd aircraft sits there doing knothing so i guess its just a spare unit incase one gose tech.

Also out of intrest dose anyone know where Thomas Cook flight TCX771H is coming in from later tonight at 20:20? As its not showing its destination on the arrivals for some reason

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Old 10th Nov 2010, 12:40
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On April 4th 2011, the airport will have been under new ownership for four years.
Has anyone noticed the airport had a change of ownership?
What has improved in this time?

Terminal congestion is worse.
The fixtures and fittings are falling into further disrepair at an alarming rate.
Escalators no longer work.
The runway is like a cobbled street.
The website and arrivals/departure info is a shambles.
The management team seem to be invisible and just sit on their big salaries.

The transfer from dire public ownership to private ownership has been so seamless, nobody has noticed the change. All we ever hear are excuses and it all takes time etc. etc. etc.,whatever.

Everything is true as I predicted after the takeover when I was shot down in flames by some airport worshippers.

The sooner Bridgepoint sell, the better. They are like an antidote to dynamic.If I ran my business like this, I would be bankrupt.
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 13:00
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Totally agree..Bridgepoint were having financial troubles within their group at the time they bought LBA so their chances of heavily investing were frankly limited. They also bought right at the top of the financial cycle intending, I`m sure, to sell it on for a good profit within a short period of time.

Since then the property market has nose dived and they have been lumbered with a declining asset that needs a lot of money spending on it....Watch this space indeed
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 13:12
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I would just add to my previous posting.
Shame on Leeds City Council who bulldozed the deal through with Bridgepoint as the highest bidder and not the bidder who could best serve the long term needs of the people of West Yorkshire.
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 13:52
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Yeah I agree that not everything is rosy, But Itís not all been bad under Bridgepoint, and Would LBA have had the following routes and services without Tony Hallwoodís expertise.

Ryanair = 17 new routes & 2 based aircraft
Easyjet = New Geneva Route
PIA = Islamabad service
Jet2 = Continued growth (But not at the rate it use to be)

Flybe replaced bmi on the London route. Yes itís to Gatwick and not to Heathrow but it was better than nothing at all which would have been the case.

LBA has had its best growth in passenger figures wise in the last 9 months than that it ever had under the previous council owners. It looks like it should be hitting the 3 million pax mark this year for the first time ever due to the fact that LBA is still seeing growth by airlines and operators this winter season. Where as other airports in the area DSA & MME to name but a few are still seeing declines in theirs.

The Public Car parks have been made a lot larger and access to them is a lot better than they use to be, Q8 have just built a new fuel farm. The local transport network has been improved recently with money been invested in new buses and increased frequencies while a new pick up and drop off area has been created.

Dont forget they now have planning permission for that new terminal building expansion which will hopefully commence sometime earlier next year by all accounts. This is not just a little add on like the previous owners use to do this is a complete redesign of the existing layout and additional new build that been required for a very long time.

God some people are never happy and have short memories. I remember the days of when LBA was struggling to do 1 million pax a year back in the Mid 90ís, before the opening hours restrictions were lifted in 1996.
All we had was British Midland Saabís to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Paris and the Fokker 100ís to London Heathrow, Night Airís Bandranteís to Southampton, Isle of Man & Aberdeen, Air Uk, Fokker 50ís to Amsterdam, Sabenaís RJ85ís to Brussels, Jersey Europeanís Fokker 27ís to Belfast City and the very few limited winter charters we had at that time.
At one point LBA only had 1 winter ski route and that was to Chambery operated on Saturday by British World. How far the place has come in 15 years is amazing.

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Old 10th Nov 2010, 14:52
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Bringing in more pax is not exactly what I am talking about. Tony Hallwood is a bright star amongst a lot of dead wood.
I am talking about the state of the airport. LBA grows mostly because of it's location despite transport links being poor.
The place is a shambles end of story.
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 17:31
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Hi,

I could understand your rant wawkrk if the airport infrastructure was not going to be vastly improved in the next year. On the face of it there does seem to have been a long frustrating period of delay. This delay is largely due to our local politicians that sold the airport to a company that guaranteed large scale investment and then, having received the millions ££££, the council then placed obstacles in that companies way. Why aren't the roads big enough to the airport? Because the council who at that time owned the airport didn't want to spend any money on making a new road to the airport (despite it being in the council's LBIA masterplan). Get on and build the new road council!!! It is your responsibility not the new owners of the airport. This is what i pay my taxes for.

If Bridgepoint were to sell on the airport (I hope they wont for years), who could blame them. All this to contend with in a deep recession. LBIA is not a shambles and is only set to improve.

Tony Hallwood is a bright star. Who got him in wawkrk? Bridgepoint that's who. They went for one of the best route getters in the business and that is why our passenger numbers are growing while virtually every other airport is in decline. Wawkrk go on the Blackpool, Teesside, Manchester, Doncaster etc etc threads and read about turned off travelators, airport development taxes, airports closing at 9pm to save money and airlines pulling out left right and centre and dropping passenger numbers and then think about LBIA and things might not feel that bad. Unless you know differently the development is very close to commencing despite, I say again, an extremely difficult financial climate. I would like to say well done to Bridgepoint

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Old 10th Nov 2010, 18:26
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Well said Leeds Approach! Not everything is ideal but it is an improving picture.

Incidentally, wawkrk not all British people are chavs, infact some of the Polish nationals I work with have commented on how pleasant it is to work in the UK because of the people and how polite and friendly we are!

As for clapping on a flight out of appreciation....sure its not the Żubrůwka kicking in??
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 21:18
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Myślę, wrażliwość
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 07:20
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The only advantage at LBIA is its proximity to its customers, oh and apparently Mr Hallwood!

It is badly located at 680 odd feet above sea level with all the attendant low visibility problems; has a crosswind runway; is probably the most difficult airport in the UK to access by road; has little chance of major road improvements or a viable rail connection and has hardly a scrap of level ground anywhere on the site! A nightmare for operator's, pilots, travellers and developers!

For these reasons LBIA will always have to work harder than its competitors in order to attract business. It will always be attempting to make the best of a bad job and every attempt will be a costly battle! All the major developments have been opposed by the locals [residents/politicians] eg. construction of runway 15/33 in the 60's; runway extension [took donkey's years]; night flying; terminal extensions to mention but a few! Moreover, so far the current owners have proved almost as inept as the previous owners.

Let's hope that the optimism of some of the contributors to this thread is well founded.

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Old 11th Nov 2010, 11:57
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wawkrk - Wy odpowiadacie w Języku polskim,bardzo dobry! not bad for a chav eh!
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 12:25
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Tak, Did'nt know you were a chav Fandango. Sorry I upset you then.
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 18:55
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Interesting to note that over on the BOH thread people are suggesting that MAG are inept for spending money on a new terminal in the middle of a recession. Yet here the same accusation is made because Bridgepoint haven't built the new terminal yet!
Passenger numbers are growing so I would think the time is right for things to get moving but I'm not sure you can blame a company for taking the time to be certain before investing their cash.
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Old 15th Nov 2010, 21:53
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Ryanair will only have 2 B738 bases next summer. They have updated the booking system.
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Old 16th Nov 2010, 22:55
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Hi

Anyone have any ideas as to why tonings late inbound KLM69W (KL1551 service) from Amsterdam operated by Fokker 70, PH-KZM declared a PAN and then made a full scale emergency landing into Manchester Airport tonight?
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