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Yes Wawkrk,
I was up by the cemetery that day too! Also there the rainy Sunday after Chernobyl to see an Air Holland 727 (Could be wy I've since lost my hair!).
We regularly had Caravelles with 'chutes, JAT 707's not to mention Iberia A300's, Spanair Convair 990's, and DC8's from Aviaco and Worldways. Wardair regularly sent 747-200's and at least once a DC10.
So what's the big fuss about a 777?
Bob
I was up by the cemetery that day too! Also there the rainy Sunday after Chernobyl to see an Air Holland 727 (Could be wy I've since lost my hair!).
We regularly had Caravelles with 'chutes, JAT 707's not to mention Iberia A300's, Spanair Convair 990's, and DC8's from Aviaco and Worldways. Wardair regularly sent 747-200's and at least once a DC10.
So what's the big fuss about a 777?
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Hello Harrogate,
Apart from the Wardair schedule which operated back in the 1980's there have been an infrequent number of 747 visits including Air Atlanta operating Lourdes/football charters for LUFC supporters, and UAE(?) State 747SP bringing in a VIP for treatment at one of the Leeds hospitals.
In the summer of 1996 LBA received numerous aircraft for Euro 1996 including Corsair 747's and Aeromaritime DC10 etc.
In about 2000, I believe Corsair brought in 2 747-300's on one day to take Leeds fans to Madrid or somewhere during their European Champions League forays (How the mighty have fallen). Nowadays we get ourselves into a tizzy when an A310 or 767 comes in!
Apart from the Wardair schedule which operated back in the 1980's there have been an infrequent number of 747 visits including Air Atlanta operating Lourdes/football charters for LUFC supporters, and UAE(?) State 747SP bringing in a VIP for treatment at one of the Leeds hospitals.
In the summer of 1996 LBA received numerous aircraft for Euro 1996 including Corsair 747's and Aeromaritime DC10 etc.
In about 2000, I believe Corsair brought in 2 747-300's on one day to take Leeds fans to Madrid or somewhere during their European Champions League forays (How the mighty have fallen). Nowadays we get ourselves into a tizzy when an A310 or 767 comes in!
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I have a photo of a Virgin Atlantic 747 at LBA.
On the day the runaway extension opened we had the Wardair 747 which made a low pass with undercarriage down before landing and the BA747 operating pleasure flights and low passes. That was an awesome sight.
Also not forgetting the 1st Concorde with Air France landing in a 40kt crosswind.The old chap flying it said it was interesting.
On the day the runaway extension opened we had the Wardair 747 which made a low pass with undercarriage down before landing and the BA747 operating pleasure flights and low passes. That was an awesome sight.
Also not forgetting the 1st Concorde with Air France landing in a 40kt crosswind.The old chap flying it said it was interesting.
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Wardair 747
If my memory serves me correctly and the old airport timetables in the loft are correct the WD 747 only operated from and to BHX.
No problem at all of Leeds runway due to the low fuel load and max half pax load.
Centre cities
No problem at all of Leeds runway due to the low fuel load and max half pax load.
Centre cities
The Wardair 747 did normally operate LBA-BHX-YYZ (WD166/167) every Monday but there were a few occasions where it went direct. Bear in mind that quite a lot has changed since then, not least notional pax weights have increased substantially.
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Maybe pax weights have increased...but baggage allowances have decreased..therefor the balance is even......if they scrapped the rubbish on board shopping,,perfume and stuff, that would also reduce weight..if they pressurised the aircraft with helium wouldnt that make the aircraft lighter (i jest) ...and havent Leeds over the last couple of months been visited with the C17 Globmaster III OKAY A BIG PLANE WITH EXCEPTIONAL DECELERATION......does any of this matter....LBA is stuck as it is for now, maybe a another 1500ft of runway would help, it all depends at the ends of the day about cost, usability and planning concent, i am all for seeing massive expansion at Leeds, but the current economic climate might make things a bit more difficult, and as for the eco warriors....maybe they should be deported!!!!!
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Widebody Jets at LBA
We really did have a wide variety of large aircraft in the 80's and 90's, I've put a few pics of some of the best on Airliners.net if anyone fancies a look. I can't remember ever seeing a Convair 990 though (Spantax?), does anyone have a pic of this?
Photos: Boeing 747-136 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 747-1D1 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 727-2H9/Adv Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 747-128 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Tupolev Tu-154B-1 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Lockheed L-1011-385-1-15 TriStar 100 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Lockheed L-1011-385-1 TriStar 50 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
And last weeks star visitor, the C-17
Photos: Boeing C-17A Globemaster III Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 747-136 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 747-1D1 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 727-2H9/Adv Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 747-128 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Tupolev Tu-154B-1 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Lockheed L-1011-385-1-15 TriStar 100 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Lockheed L-1011-385-1 TriStar 50 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
And last weeks star visitor, the C-17
Photos: Boeing C-17A Globemaster III Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Wardair 747s and other aircraft/airlines from the past
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Hi all
The local BBC Look North news programme reported this evening that the decision to allow planning permission for LBIA to expand its terminal building has been deferred by Leeds City council's, Leeds West Planning Committee today..
The decision will now be handed over to the Senior Planning Office and the application will now have to be rubber stamped by him/her
So watch this space. Hopefully it won’t take too long to get that decision approved and get the needed construction started.
The local BBC Look North news programme reported this evening that the decision to allow planning permission for LBIA to expand its terminal building has been deferred by Leeds City council's, Leeds West Planning Committee today..
The decision will now be handed over to the Senior Planning Office and the application will now have to be rubber stamped by him/her
So watch this space. Hopefully it won’t take too long to get that decision approved and get the needed construction started.
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It was always planned to defer the decision to the Chief Planning Officer. Today's meeting by the plans panel was supposed the approval of the Planning Officer's recommendation to defer to the CPO based on the current proposal. I guess it did not go as well as planned:
Setback for LBA expansion bid as opponents make their voices heard (From Wharfedale Observer)
Seems ironic that the council are concerned with transport links, when it is themselves who have starved the airport of such links for the last half century.
Setback for LBA expansion bid as opponents make their voices heard (From Wharfedale Observer)
Seems ironic that the council are concerned with transport links, when it is themselves who have starved the airport of such links for the last half century.
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My recollections are that the 1st seasons Wardairs were all direct to YYZ. There was never any operational difficulties in getting direct with a full load. On departure the performance of a four engined a/c is good, but the 747 couldnt land on 14, causing 1 to divert in that 1st summer. Thereafter they went via BHX for one or both of the following reasons. Firstly, they didnt have enough a/c, or wished to do more from BHX, so decided to combine. Secondly, they quickly realised that LBA couldnt cope with a full 747.... the new terminal being totally and utterly inadequate.
The latter is the most likely reason as Wardair were sticklers for their quality service.... I remember they offered full china service with real cutlery!
The latter is the most likely reason as Wardair were sticklers for their quality service.... I remember they offered full china service with real cutlery!
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Wardair 747s
Galaxy,
I seem to recall that Wardair managed to use Runway 32 on every landing made over the time that they operated into LBA over three, or was it four(?) summers. Not bad, as it was a weekly service.
However, I understand that the very last flight landed on 14 and the pilot made a pretty good job of it by all accounts.
Perhaps others may be able to confirm this?
Regards,
FY
I seem to recall that Wardair managed to use Runway 32 on every landing made over the time that they operated into LBA over three, or was it four(?) summers. Not bad, as it was a weekly service.
However, I understand that the very last flight landed on 14 and the pilot made a pretty good job of it by all accounts.
Perhaps others may be able to confirm this?
Regards,
FY
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Yes it's true one flight did land on 14 but as far as I can remember the pilot got a slapped wrist for his troubles as 14 was too short a landing run for company ops. He proved them wrong. Shame we don't see many of the heavies anymore but the fact remains the runway is marginal for any realistic load for long haul.
Otherwise why would BHX be extending it's 8547ft/2605m runway which is already nearly 1200ft longer than LBA by another 400m? Lets not forget they also dont have a hill at one end and are not 680ft above sea level. BHX regularly gets 772/773s at the moment but they are obviously serious about long haul.
LBA however are making the best of what they have without a major spend on the runway. Thank goodness the A310 is still in operation, even the A330 would be feasable on a DUBAI but you are again on the margins.
If LBA really want to attract growth in long haul they will have to do some work on the runway. I don't see it happening any time soon.At least Bridgepoint are attempting to sort the terminal out.
Otherwise why would BHX be extending it's 8547ft/2605m runway which is already nearly 1200ft longer than LBA by another 400m? Lets not forget they also dont have a hill at one end and are not 680ft above sea level. BHX regularly gets 772/773s at the moment but they are obviously serious about long haul.
LBA however are making the best of what they have without a major spend on the runway. Thank goodness the A310 is still in operation, even the A330 would be feasable on a DUBAI but you are again on the margins.
If LBA really want to attract growth in long haul they will have to do some work on the runway. I don't see it happening any time soon.At least Bridgepoint are attempting to sort the terminal out.
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Absolutely amazing!, what a bunch of crooks leeds city council are, when they sold the airport they said they would sell for the good of the airport and now they turn down the planning application because of road links / public transport, when they refused to invest in it themselves over the years they enjoyed the profits. Well at least the money they received paid for all the councillors expence accounts!
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I would be very very careful what you put into print, you quite honestly do not know the first thing about what has gone on, and how to run a business?
I know you are going to say these are just your views, however I have realized over the years that I have being reading these posts not only on this site but others as well, that it does seem the aeroplane spotter can both run not only an airfield but a airline as well, better that the owners?
The Council have a job to do and although a lot of people do not agree with them, they have control, nowt you can do about that, it is the law.
L
I would be very very careful what you put into print, you quite honestly do not know the first thing about what has gone on, and how to run a business?
I know you are going to say these are just your views, however I have realized over the years that I have being reading these posts not only on this site but others as well, that it does seem the aeroplane spotter can both run not only an airfield but a airline as well, better that the owners?
The Council have a job to do and although a lot of people do not agree with them, they have control, nowt you can do about that, it is the law.
L
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Hi All, I agree with you Wawkrk the council sold Leeds Braford Airport to the current owners knowing what they would be going to do with the airport for the future, you have to keep moving with the times and Leeds being the Largest financial city outside London needs a good Airport, How ever it would be good to see a Rail link spur taken from Horsforth to the airport in the not too distance future. The council did what they could for the airport with very little monies but it now needs serious investment.
I hope it will not take the council long to decide on the Planning application.
I hope it will not take the council long to decide on the Planning application.