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PIA suspicious package
What's goin off?.
Just got in from work,Sky 'breaking news'that LBIA is closed due to a suspicious package found on PIA aircraft on runway!.
Who's got the latest info?
What's goin off?.
Just got in from work,Sky 'breaking news'that LBIA is closed due to a suspicious package found on PIA aircraft on runway!.
Who's got the latest info?
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Not that I have been told.
Apparently BD/BMI - Or what ever they now are.Lol
Have said that the slots will make more revenue for Middle Eastern Routes.
And have kicked into touch the routes that made British Midland what they were.
Apparently BD/BMI - Or what ever they now are.Lol
Have said that the slots will make more revenue for Middle Eastern Routes.
And have kicked into touch the routes that made British Midland what they were.
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Lba Re-open
Leeds Bradford has re-opened after a suspicious package was found on board the pakistani flight to Islamabad.....the device was apparently a hoax and the police have now given the all clear...
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bmi British Midland, the second-largest airline operating at London Heathrow airport, is eliminating an important part of its UK domestic network and is cutting capacity to continental Europe amid rising losses.
bmi will announce on friday it is axing two of its mainline services between Heathrow and Leeds Bradford and Durham Tees Valley – a total of seven daily departures – in addition to the previously announced closure of the twice-daily service between Heathrow and Jersey.
It will also be reducing the number of daily services between Heathrow and Dublin from seven to six, and between Heathrow and Amsterdam from seven to four. Capacity is being cut on the Heathrow to Aberdeen and Brussels routes by using small regional jets in place of the existing larger Airbus aircraft.
Heavy pressure to staunch losses is coming from Germany’s Lufthansa, which is due to complete its takeover of a majority 80 per cent stake in the UK carrier next month. Some BMI jets are to be leased out to Lufthansa.
The worsening of the problems facing BMI was disclosed two weeks, when the group decided to renege on a three-year pay deal and implemented a pay freeze at short notice for 2009, the third year of the deal.
The increase was paid by some banks into pilots’ accounts only to be withdrawn hours later, triggering the calling of a no-confidence ballot by pilots in Nigel Turner, BMI chief executive.
Mr Turner has previously disclosed the airline suffered the biggest loss in its history in 2008. He is expected to tell the 5,000 staff trading conditions have deteriorated further in recent weeks.
The group is being hit by a sharp reduction in both business and leisure traffic, and is being forced to take action to eliminate lossmaking routes and cut capacity.
BMI is removing about four aircraft or 12 per cent of its mainline short-haul fleet of 32 Airbus A320 family jets, which are to be used in charter rather than scheduled service. Two of the Airbus fleet are to be leased to Lufthansa together with BMI pilots and cabin crew, and will be operated on the German airline’s planned new route between Milan Malpensa and Heathrow, and Berlin and Heathrow.
bmi British Midland, the second-largest airline operating at London Heathrow airport, is eliminating an important part of its UK domestic network and is cutting capacity to continental Europe amid rising losses.
bmi will announce on friday it is axing two of its mainline services between Heathrow and Leeds Bradford and Durham Tees Valley – a total of seven daily departures – in addition to the previously announced closure of the twice-daily service between Heathrow and Jersey.
It will also be reducing the number of daily services between Heathrow and Dublin from seven to six, and between Heathrow and Amsterdam from seven to four. Capacity is being cut on the Heathrow to Aberdeen and Brussels routes by using small regional jets in place of the existing larger Airbus aircraft.
Heavy pressure to staunch losses is coming from Germany’s Lufthansa, which is due to complete its takeover of a majority 80 per cent stake in the UK carrier next month. Some BMI jets are to be leased out to Lufthansa.
The worsening of the problems facing BMI was disclosed two weeks, when the group decided to renege on a three-year pay deal and implemented a pay freeze at short notice for 2009, the third year of the deal.
The increase was paid by some banks into pilots’ accounts only to be withdrawn hours later, triggering the calling of a no-confidence ballot by pilots in Nigel Turner, BMI chief executive.
Mr Turner has previously disclosed the airline suffered the biggest loss in its history in 2008. He is expected to tell the 5,000 staff trading conditions have deteriorated further in recent weeks.
The group is being hit by a sharp reduction in both business and leisure traffic, and is being forced to take action to eliminate lossmaking routes and cut capacity.
BMI is removing about four aircraft or 12 per cent of its mainline short-haul fleet of 32 Airbus A320 family jets, which are to be used in charter rather than scheduled service. Two of the Airbus fleet are to be leased to Lufthansa together with BMI pilots and cabin crew, and will be operated on the German airline’s planned new route between Milan Malpensa and Heathrow, and Berlin and Heathrow.
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Bmi is to cut its services between Heathrow airport and the North of England after 40 years of continuous service
The airline will end its regular flights from London to Durham Tees Valley and Leeds Bradford airports from March 28, although links between Heathrow and Manchester will remain.
The move will close two routes that Bmi has operated for 40 and 30 years respectively, and follows British Airways’ decision to reduce services between Gatwick and Edinburgh, Glasgow and Manchester airports last November.
Bmi said a combination of falling demand, increased costs imposed by BAA at Heathrow and the Government’s decision to increase Air Passenger Duty (APD) were behind the cuts.
“The fact is that due in the main to BAA’s inflation-busting increases and changes to its pricing structures have placed a considerable disadvantage on short haul flights,” said Peter Spencer, managing director of Bmi.
“Travellers in the North of England are losing important links to Heathrow - they will now have to rely on European airports such as Amsterdam, Brussels and Frankfurt to connect to worldwide destinations,” he added.
Bmi carried 62,000 passengers on its four daily services between Leeds Bradford and Heathrow last year, while it currently operates three daily flights between Heathrow and Durham Tees.
Representatives from both airports say they are looking to maintain alternative links with London.
“We are well aware of the importance to our region of regular air links to London,” said John Parkin, chief executive of Leeds Bradford Airport. “We expect to be in a position to announce new services to the capital shortly.”
Hugh Lang, director of Peel Airports, which operates Liverpool John Lennon, Durham Tees Valley, Robin Hood and the City of Manchester airports, described the cuts as “disappointing”.
He added: “We understand the pressures Bmi are facing as a result of the economic climate and the impact of the punitive APD charges.”
The Government’s decision to increase APD has added further pressure on airlines already struggling to cope with the recession and a reduction in demand for air travel.
In November, APD – which was doubled in 2007 – will be restructured, making long- and medium-haul flights significantly more expensive.
Despite the financial downturn, Bmi has expanded some of its international services from Heathrow in recent weeks, announcing new routes to Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
However, services between Heathrow and Jersey and long-haul flights from Manchester have been stopped altogether, while flights to Dublin, Amsterdam, Brussels and Aberdeen have also been reduced since the announcement of a takeover by German airline Lufthansa, which is likely to be completed next month.
The airline will end its regular flights from London to Durham Tees Valley and Leeds Bradford airports from March 28, although links between Heathrow and Manchester will remain.
The move will close two routes that Bmi has operated for 40 and 30 years respectively, and follows British Airways’ decision to reduce services between Gatwick and Edinburgh, Glasgow and Manchester airports last November.
Bmi said a combination of falling demand, increased costs imposed by BAA at Heathrow and the Government’s decision to increase Air Passenger Duty (APD) were behind the cuts.
“The fact is that due in the main to BAA’s inflation-busting increases and changes to its pricing structures have placed a considerable disadvantage on short haul flights,” said Peter Spencer, managing director of Bmi.
“Travellers in the North of England are losing important links to Heathrow - they will now have to rely on European airports such as Amsterdam, Brussels and Frankfurt to connect to worldwide destinations,” he added.
Bmi carried 62,000 passengers on its four daily services between Leeds Bradford and Heathrow last year, while it currently operates three daily flights between Heathrow and Durham Tees.
Representatives from both airports say they are looking to maintain alternative links with London.
“We are well aware of the importance to our region of regular air links to London,” said John Parkin, chief executive of Leeds Bradford Airport. “We expect to be in a position to announce new services to the capital shortly.”
Hugh Lang, director of Peel Airports, which operates Liverpool John Lennon, Durham Tees Valley, Robin Hood and the City of Manchester airports, described the cuts as “disappointing”.
He added: “We understand the pressures Bmi are facing as a result of the economic climate and the impact of the punitive APD charges.”
The Government’s decision to increase APD has added further pressure on airlines already struggling to cope with the recession and a reduction in demand for air travel.
In November, APD – which was doubled in 2007 – will be restructured, making long- and medium-haul flights significantly more expensive.
Despite the financial downturn, Bmi has expanded some of its international services from Heathrow in recent weeks, announcing new routes to Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
However, services between Heathrow and Jersey and long-haul flights from Manchester have been stopped altogether, while flights to Dublin, Amsterdam, Brussels and Aberdeen have also been reduced since the announcement of a takeover by German airline Lufthansa, which is likely to be completed next month.
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We didn't think BD/BMI would go this far thou!!
To be honest I think BD/BMI have got off 'Lightly' with the LBIA Management.
If I was the manager of LBIA, I would have told them to pull out altogether, Or maintain the long established LHR route!!
LBIA management, For some reason have always been a 'Bit weak' & a 'Bit weird' business wise (Too Nice) when dealing with airlines, So I am not surprised that they have accepted BD/BMI's decison without a 'Fight'
BD/BMI have simply kicked 40 or so years of trade into touch without any 'Proper consultation' whatsoever!!
Because they are obsessed with LHR so much, DTV & other airports have also had the carpet pulled away from them!!
But BD/BMI will realise when they have 3 or more of their aircraft holding daily for R27 or whatever burning more fuel.
Adding aircraft to an even more 'Congested' 2 runways, LHR can only handle so many aircraft (saturation point) safely.
I don't think BD/BMI have even taken into consideration the event of any outbreaks of violence or war in the middle east, If that happens then those 'Lucrative' slots that they are using the ex LBIA, DTV etc slots for will be not in use?
If BD/BMI could not make any 'Suitable' money on the LHR route, Then that's wasn't the airport's making, BD/BMI should have reduced their fares a long time ago when the likes of Nat Ex & GNER were selling seats for less than half the fare BD/BMI were asking sometimes one-way.
BD/BMI must have seen all this coming years ago?
People were not going to pay 68.00 one-way or whatever when they could go on a return for that by coach or by rail.
The GNER service is excellent and is a fast connection direct to Kings X, When you add up the flight time 45 min + the tube 25 -35 min into the city I would say there is not much in it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MAN flight finishes next?
Together Sir M Bishop & Nigel Turner have 'Ruined' one of the remaining British made airlines that we have left operating!!
But SMB is not bothered now, He will get 'Paid Off' by his German friends!
And probably 'Turner' will follow or get 'Penshioned Off'
I wish I had a 'Dartboard, Don't you? Lol
RIP 'The Diamond Service DC9'
To be honest I think BD/BMI have got off 'Lightly' with the LBIA Management.
If I was the manager of LBIA, I would have told them to pull out altogether, Or maintain the long established LHR route!!
LBIA management, For some reason have always been a 'Bit weak' & a 'Bit weird' business wise (Too Nice) when dealing with airlines, So I am not surprised that they have accepted BD/BMI's decison without a 'Fight'
BD/BMI have simply kicked 40 or so years of trade into touch without any 'Proper consultation' whatsoever!!
Because they are obsessed with LHR so much, DTV & other airports have also had the carpet pulled away from them!!
But BD/BMI will realise when they have 3 or more of their aircraft holding daily for R27 or whatever burning more fuel.
Adding aircraft to an even more 'Congested' 2 runways, LHR can only handle so many aircraft (saturation point) safely.
I don't think BD/BMI have even taken into consideration the event of any outbreaks of violence or war in the middle east, If that happens then those 'Lucrative' slots that they are using the ex LBIA, DTV etc slots for will be not in use?
If BD/BMI could not make any 'Suitable' money on the LHR route, Then that's wasn't the airport's making, BD/BMI should have reduced their fares a long time ago when the likes of Nat Ex & GNER were selling seats for less than half the fare BD/BMI were asking sometimes one-way.
BD/BMI must have seen all this coming years ago?
People were not going to pay 68.00 one-way or whatever when they could go on a return for that by coach or by rail.
The GNER service is excellent and is a fast connection direct to Kings X, When you add up the flight time 45 min + the tube 25 -35 min into the city I would say there is not much in it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MAN flight finishes next?
Together Sir M Bishop & Nigel Turner have 'Ruined' one of the remaining British made airlines that we have left operating!!
But SMB is not bothered now, He will get 'Paid Off' by his German friends!
And probably 'Turner' will follow or get 'Penshioned Off'
I wish I had a 'Dartboard, Don't you? Lol
RIP 'The Diamond Service DC9'
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And probably 'Turner' will follow or get 'Penshioned Off'
Pensioned off or PERISHED off more like it!! I can set the scene - the last flicker of life is extunguished at Donington Hell (sorry Hall) as Mr T switches off the lights for the last time, and Mr T is spotted escaping towards the race track with handsome amounts of Deutsche Marks stuffed in a suitcase. LH 1 bmi 0. What a plan!
Pensioned off or PERISHED off more like it!! I can set the scene - the last flicker of life is extunguished at Donington Hell (sorry Hall) as Mr T switches off the lights for the last time, and Mr T is spotted escaping towards the race track with handsome amounts of Deutsche Marks stuffed in a suitcase. LH 1 bmi 0. What a plan!
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Well last year we had a Sunday service operated by Futura, and then Thomson with their own aircraft to Palma after FUA went belly up with a 737-800, so in total even with the 757 we have still lost about 140 seats a week with Thomson to Palma.
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Thomson Holidays are still doing 2 charter flights this summer to Palma-Majorca from LBA.
The Thursday Thomson Airlines flight has been upgraded from Boeing 737-800 to a Boeing 757-200 for 22 weeks as mentioned earlier by BYALPHAINDIA
Meanwhile instead of using a sub charter on the Sunday flight like last year with Futura Int'l, Thomson Airlines are launching a new Tuesday afternoon service this summer with a Boeing 737-800 arriving LBA 14:10 and departing at 15:20.
So they have added extra seats compared to last year.
The Thursday Thomson Airlines flight has been upgraded from Boeing 737-800 to a Boeing 757-200 for 22 weeks as mentioned earlier by BYALPHAINDIA
Meanwhile instead of using a sub charter on the Sunday flight like last year with Futura Int'l, Thomson Airlines are launching a new Tuesday afternoon service this summer with a Boeing 737-800 arriving LBA 14:10 and departing at 15:20.
So they have added extra seats compared to last year.
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If 62,000 is really the number of pax carried on that number of services then the loads must have been appalling. Doing the maths...assuming 4 flights a day mon-fri and 2 daily sat/sun that's 24 roundtrips or 48 sectors. Assuming a 50 week operating pattern (allowing for Xmas/Easter etc) that's 62000 / 50 = 1240 pax a week. 1240 / 48 sectors = 26 pax a flight (rounded up). Even if they all paid £68 a flight that's only £1768 each sector!!! I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did!!!
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Don't know where they got those figures from but in 2008 bmi carried 126,069 passengers on the Heathrow route compared to 136,952. The drop is mainly due to the ERJ being used from Oct/Nov ish time loosing about 4,000 pax a month.
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Titan Airways 757
I saw this aircraft landing around 12 50pm.I had a look on lbia website,I presume it is operating a sub for another airline.
Was it the TCX flight or a Jet2 one,any details please?.
Was it the TCX flight or a Jet2 one,any details please?.
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LBA & LBIA,
I was told recently that TOM was interested in creating a base at LBIA in 2003/4.
But the Airport was going to charge 15.00 per pax.
At a similar time LS negotiated a deal for 50p per pax - And so this is why LS are doing very well.
TOM were split between the choice of DSA or LBA.
Also - I haven't had any magazines /flyers from LBIA for over a year now, I receive alot from BHX, HUY & DTV but nothing from LBIA?
I think there marketing has always been very poor compard to other Airports.
I was told recently that TOM was interested in creating a base at LBIA in 2003/4.
But the Airport was going to charge 15.00 per pax.
At a similar time LS negotiated a deal for 50p per pax - And so this is why LS are doing very well.
TOM were split between the choice of DSA or LBA.
Also - I haven't had any magazines /flyers from LBIA for over a year now, I receive alot from BHX, HUY & DTV but nothing from LBIA?
I think there marketing has always been very poor compard to other Airports.