BA Management (Split From T5 Thread)
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I think that these threads demonstrates a very important point, this thread has wavered and degenerated into a school playground slanging match. At times of sheer frustration this is inevitable, the important point is that we keep talking, a slowly, slowly we start to see a converrgence of reasonable moderate opinion.
The importance of talking and maintaining REAL negotiations should not be overlooked in the way BA management have sought to deal with our pilots. They have tried to maintain REAL engagement, the company refuses and spins. That is the true face of BA management, that i why we as staff are so frustrated, of course we want this company to be successful, it holds our future.
THough with the current 'shower' in power we are in a Terminal decline. I personally very much applaud the BALPA leadership for their responsible and professional aproach to the current dispute. I think the corporation has reached the TIPPING point, it will get better, but once we've shed the current unwanted balast holding us down.
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Apart from that important fact, I hope you realise that I am in agreement with most of your postings whoever happened to be sat at the computer......
The importance of talking and maintaining REAL negotiations should not be overlooked in the way BA management have sought to deal with our pilots. They have tried to maintain REAL engagement, the company refuses and spins. That is the true face of BA management, that i why we as staff are so frustrated, of course we want this company to be successful, it holds our future.
THough with the current 'shower' in power we are in a Terminal decline. I personally very much applaud the BALPA leadership for their responsible and professional aproach to the current dispute. I think the corporation has reached the TIPPING point, it will get better, but once we've shed the current unwanted balast holding us down.
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Is there not a senior person in baggage handling at T5 on this forum who can tell us honestly what really happened from planning, through testing, to launch day ? I have been involved with the management of very large projects in a heavily unionised business and whilst some teething problems could be expected this outcome appears to be baggage handling chaos. I should like to know what really happened at each stage.
Flatfour:
"They could tell you....but then they would have to kill you".
You will undoubtedly know about "cognitive dissonance". Otherwise known as "Talk to the hand", or "Lala lala lala I can't hear you!"
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Is there not a senior person in baggage handling at T5 on this forum who can tell us honestly what really happened from planning, through testing, to launch day ? I have been involved with the management of very large projects in a heavily unionised business and whilst some teething problems could be expected this outcome appears to be baggage handling chaos. I should like to know what really happened at each stage.
You will undoubtedly know about "cognitive dissonance". Otherwise known as "Talk to the hand", or "Lala lala lala I can't hear you!"
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Sunfish - very well put, in support of what you state, (how do you know are you an x-staff member?) this is a recent post from elsewhere on PPRUNE. Looks like BA management are very popular.
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Arrogance is the byword of BA management. The results are perfectly plain for all to see in the T5 debacle - what price the Company Slogan "Fit for Five" now?
If any peasant dares to offer a thought to the Lords of BA then they had better be saying how good the new clothes look on the emporer, or its a disciplinary hearing all round.
To mix a metaphor and quote the sage of Omaha:
"Its only when the tide goes out that you can see who'se been swimming naked".
What a bloated, arrogant, bullying, short-sighted little collection of robbers they are.
If any peasant dares to offer a thought to the Lords of BA then they had better be saying how good the new clothes look on the emporer, or its a disciplinary hearing all round.
To mix a metaphor and quote the sage of Omaha:
"Its only when the tide goes out that you can see who'se been swimming naked".
What a bloated, arrogant, bullying, short-sighted little collection of robbers they are.
Controversial, moi?
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I too am a BA employee. I am embarrassed by the T5 issue and see much wrong in BA in many areas.
I am tied into BA by virtue of the pilot's seniority system. What is your excuse for staying in a company, the running of which you hold in contempt and which you are continually running down on a thread viewed by thousands of people on a worldwide website? Are you hoping to undermine and destroy what little credibility we have left?
Your postings are tedious and destructive. I am not alone in wishing you would spend a little more time reading and a little less pontificating.
I too am a BA employee. I am embarrassed by the T5 issue and see much wrong in BA in many areas.
I am tied into BA by virtue of the pilot's seniority system. What is your excuse for staying in a company, the running of which you hold in contempt and which you are continually running down on a thread viewed by thousands of people on a worldwide website? Are you hoping to undermine and destroy what little credibility we have left?
Your postings are tedious and destructive. I am not alone in wishing you would spend a little more time reading and a little less pontificating.
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Contraversial?
M.Mouse- no your not contraversial, rude yes, contraversial no.
I will set the same question for you that I asked of L337, which has not recieved a reply. As you seem to wish to castigate me for being the one that speaks out, when the truth is many others feel exactly the same.
The answer is not to ignore the issues, as BA PR dept would wish to happen, just brush it all under the carpet, typical arrogant attitude. No the way forward is for 'open' and if that means under the gaze of the world so be it. (BA have removed the ability for employees to discuss these issues internally by making you have to 'logon' before you post!) There is no facility within BA for anonymity to forward such views.
I do not see the postings made on here as regressive, they are indeed progressive and have recieved support from other readers.
The question for you M.Mouse is that in the internal staff survey the VAST MAJORITY, if asked stated they would speak badly of BA. That is demonstration of the strength of feeling within BA.
Please feel free to respond to the question, I would very much appreciate your contribution.
(p.s - has anyone on here ever admitted to being a BA manager? If any of you are on, maybe you'd like to COME OUT?)
(in response to your question - much like you the longer one has spent in an organisation the more difficult it is to find the same conditions elsewhere. Much like you I have committed much time and effort. Of course BA can be good again, the need for dramatic change is necessary)
I will set the same question for you that I asked of L337, which has not recieved a reply. As you seem to wish to castigate me for being the one that speaks out, when the truth is many others feel exactly the same.
The answer is not to ignore the issues, as BA PR dept would wish to happen, just brush it all under the carpet, typical arrogant attitude. No the way forward is for 'open' and if that means under the gaze of the world so be it. (BA have removed the ability for employees to discuss these issues internally by making you have to 'logon' before you post!) There is no facility within BA for anonymity to forward such views.
I do not see the postings made on here as regressive, they are indeed progressive and have recieved support from other readers.
The question for you M.Mouse is that in the internal staff survey the VAST MAJORITY, if asked stated they would speak badly of BA. That is demonstration of the strength of feeling within BA.
Please feel free to respond to the question, I would very much appreciate your contribution.
(p.s - has anyone on here ever admitted to being a BA manager? If any of you are on, maybe you'd like to COME OUT?)
(in response to your question - much like you the longer one has spent in an organisation the more difficult it is to find the same conditions elsewhere. Much like you I have committed much time and effort. Of course BA can be good again, the need for dramatic change is necessary)
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T5 Chaos deliberate?
Has anyone given the thought that the T5 chaos may have been deliberate? Let me throw you a few thoughts.....
Last year I believe the 'engineered' cabin crew dispute which suddenly dissolved without any ground given anywhere, after the pension changes had been 'managed' through the organisation.
Look at it this way the cabin crew threatened dispute cost BA an estimated £40 million. The £2.1 billion pension swindle was exercised during the smoke screen and fuss over the cabin crew distraction. Typical standard IR technique. The pain was certainly worth the gain...
Hence, could it just be possible the fiasco at T5 was brought about as a distraction/smoke screen pulling the wool over employees eyes? Use it as a way of pushing through radical changes to the terms and conditions of employees? Or is there something we are missing, something we can't see yet?
Are the BA management that stupid they could get it so badly wrong? Is the pain worth the gain, a calculated risk?
Discuss...........
Last year I believe the 'engineered' cabin crew dispute which suddenly dissolved without any ground given anywhere, after the pension changes had been 'managed' through the organisation.
Look at it this way the cabin crew threatened dispute cost BA an estimated £40 million. The £2.1 billion pension swindle was exercised during the smoke screen and fuss over the cabin crew distraction. Typical standard IR technique. The pain was certainly worth the gain...
Hence, could it just be possible the fiasco at T5 was brought about as a distraction/smoke screen pulling the wool over employees eyes? Use it as a way of pushing through radical changes to the terms and conditions of employees? Or is there something we are missing, something we can't see yet?
Are the BA management that stupid they could get it so badly wrong? Is the pain worth the gain, a calculated risk?
Discuss...........
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If you've observed the look of panic and fear in the eyes of Walsh and Kirkwood you'd know that it is not deliberate. Unless of course the whole thing has been engineered by Martin Broughton - but does he even exist?!
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CNN video
Check out the following video;
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS...athrow.hassle/
Great video in which they state it was a 'monumental cock up', and question Mr Walshes future, hinting that Mr Walshes series of appologies are now falling on deaf ears as the hassle continues! It even refererences the www.weewilliewalsh.co.uk game, saying once you've had a spoof video made about you in this way, your credibility is shot.
So, it appears my views are very much in kilter with current opinion.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS...athrow.hassle/
Great video in which they state it was a 'monumental cock up', and question Mr Walshes future, hinting that Mr Walshes series of appologies are now falling on deaf ears as the hassle continues! It even refererences the www.weewilliewalsh.co.uk game, saying once you've had a spoof video made about you in this way, your credibility is shot.
So, it appears my views are very much in kilter with current opinion.
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I would guess that if BALPA comes out against Willie Walsh that his position might actually be strengthened, since significant shareholders are, as I stated earlier, generally only interested in profit and share price and, certainly in relation to the former, Walsh is probably seen as having done well (so far).
On another matter, terminal capacity/crowding, I wonder whether Terminal 5 might not end up being one of the most crowded at LHR. I haven't looked closely at the numbers, but I understand that T5 is built for 30 million pax per annum, with BA already carrying around 22 million (not sure whether this includes the Spanish and Australian routes to be consolidated at T3). This doesn't leave much capacity for future growth. Will the new incumbents at T1 and T4, for example, be able to offer passengers less crowded terminals?
On another matter, terminal capacity/crowding, I wonder whether Terminal 5 might not end up being one of the most crowded at LHR. I haven't looked closely at the numbers, but I understand that T5 is built for 30 million pax per annum, with BA already carrying around 22 million (not sure whether this includes the Spanish and Australian routes to be consolidated at T3). This doesn't leave much capacity for future growth. Will the new incumbents at T1 and T4, for example, be able to offer passengers less crowded terminals?
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BAeng.. no big deal. BA's share price has been up and down like a whore's drawers anyway.
One month:
http://finance.google.com/finance?ch...731&q=LON:BAY&
Compared to the FTSE it has generally tracked but the last few days show a 2% change. The one year is better.
http://finance.google.com/finance?ch...TSE&q=LON:BAY&
One year (compared in red to FTSE)
http://finance.google.com/finance?ch...TSE&q=LON:BAY&
One month:
http://finance.google.com/finance?ch...731&q=LON:BAY&
Compared to the FTSE it has generally tracked but the last few days show a 2% change. The one year is better.
http://finance.google.com/finance?ch...TSE&q=LON:BAY&
One year (compared in red to FTSE)
http://finance.google.com/finance?ch...TSE&q=LON:BAY&
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Lonterm problem?
For all those posters saying 'BAeng' shut up you'll spoil it for the rest of us, grow up and look at the figures. WW & Co delivering shareholder value? What? Look at the value of BA shares over the last 12mths, can one of you more financially astute members comment.
There are serious problems at BA and the T5 fiasco, like ShortFinalFred has said, the tide has gone out and there he is, short as the baggage delays are long, standing stark
naked.
WW get your clothes on and 'rack off' as Rod Eddington would probably IMHO say! (well it is Australian)
There are serious problems at BA and the T5 fiasco, like ShortFinalFred has said, the tide has gone out and there he is, short as the baggage delays are long, standing stark
naked.WW get your clothes on and 'rack off' as Rod Eddington would probably IMHO say! (well it is Australian)
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Following the FTSE?
Luoto - nice post but think your wrong about longterm trend, your own posts shows a 10% decline in the FTSE over the 1yr period, whereas BA has taken a 40% decline. That my dear Finnish, vodka swilling colleague, is not following, it is divergence!
It look like BA and the FTSE parted company in about OCT last year, by the graphs you kindly provided.
Oh the vodka drinking thing, is an affable comment, as I just love Finlandia, beautiful smooth crisp spirit. Great for drowning your sorrows at times like this.
As for the bloke who has BAEng on 'ignore' whats the point, he'll never be able to follow the thread without viewing my comments. Anyway one less BA Manager to 'manage' with.
Has anyone noticed how the desenters refuse to answer our very relevant questions? Me is starting to think the answer contains rather uncomfortable truths. Or the managers are off researching a suitable response. If judging by their efficiency relocating the bags for BA customers, I guess we will be sometime waiting......and waiting.....and waiting.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
It look like BA and the FTSE parted company in about OCT last year, by the graphs you kindly provided.
Oh the vodka drinking thing, is an affable comment, as I just love Finlandia, beautiful smooth crisp spirit. Great for drowning your sorrows at times like this.
As for the bloke who has BAEng on 'ignore' whats the point, he'll never be able to follow the thread without viewing my comments. Anyway one less BA Manager to 'manage' with.
Has anyone noticed how the desenters refuse to answer our very relevant questions? Me is starting to think the answer contains rather uncomfortable truths. Or the managers are off researching a suitable response. If judging by their efficiency relocating the bags for BA customers, I guess we will be sometime waiting......and waiting.....and waiting.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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BA Engineering I'm not sure with your obsessive anger at BA I'd want you working on anything I was going to be flying on anytime soon. BA have announced that a full T5 program will be flown on Saturday. We're a week in, it's all gone badly wrong, people are working hard to fix it.
Willie Walsh's reputation lies in tatters, as does BA but the brand, given time will bounce back and T5 will in the end work well. However if the pilots strike does go ahead, and given the current set up with Open Lies I think you're finished if you don't kill this stone dead, then there finally exists the possibiliity the BA brand will be broken. And with something that special, that took a major effort.
This thread has just drifted into waffle and personal attacks, might be an idea to start afresh when there's something new to report? Mods?
Willie Walsh's reputation lies in tatters, as does BA but the brand, given time will bounce back and T5 will in the end work well. However if the pilots strike does go ahead, and given the current set up with Open Lies I think you're finished if you don't kill this stone dead, then there finally exists the possibiliity the BA brand will be broken. And with something that special, that took a major effort.
This thread has just drifted into waffle and personal attacks, might be an idea to start afresh when there's something new to report? Mods?