Chaos at Terminal 5
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T5 Reporting ban, its true
I took the opportunity to call the BBC on 0800 132022 and ask the News desk if the rumour is true.
The BBC spokeswoman Mary Hawker refused to be outright confirm that the BBC had been banned, but stated the following;
'I will not use the word ban, I will say the BBC have been unable to report from inside Terminal 5 today'
That my fellow PPRune chaps is BAA 7 BA censorship, I suggest all of you call the BBC on the number above and lodge your complaint that the BBC in the interests of good coverage should be permitted into the terminals.
Like all good dictatorships, you must maintain control of the state media. This is exacly what is happening. It is horrendous.
Finally, when asked by the BBC where I was from, I stated from PPRUNE, she knew exactly what I was refering too and was happy to discuss matters. that's probably as they get all their information from here.
The BBC spokeswoman Mary Hawker refused to be outright confirm that the BBC had been banned, but stated the following;
'I will not use the word ban, I will say the BBC have been unable to report from inside Terminal 5 today'
That my fellow PPRune chaps is BAA 7 BA censorship, I suggest all of you call the BBC on the number above and lodge your complaint that the BBC in the interests of good coverage should be permitted into the terminals.
Like all good dictatorships, you must maintain control of the state media. This is exacly what is happening. It is horrendous.
Finally, when asked by the BBC where I was from, I stated from PPRUNE, she knew exactly what I was refering too and was happy to discuss matters. that's probably as they get all their information from here.
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Unhelpful suggestion
Unhappiness = Flap 40 into LHR.
Dammit, I missed post # 757. I got 737 & 747.
DRATTS!
I'll have to wait now for 767, Join the waiting list.
Dammit, I missed post # 757. I got 737 & 747.
DRATTS!
I'll have to wait now for 767, Join the waiting list.
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Back to T1
How about rather than cancelling 30-50 flights per day, operating some of them from T1? Surely it would be best to reduce the load until they get things sorted out.
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I have a suggestion for WW. Unlike most other Ppruners my suggestion won't hurt at all. All you need to do is bring the pilot's strike forward.
See? Management is easy.
See? Management is easy.
What's that curious habit the Japanese have, where they cut their bellies open with a sharp knife ... ?
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Worlds apart
Ah but Fargoo - you may think you are close to me, but we are worlds apart. (probably about 9 floors as I suspect your at the top of TBC!) To suggest you don't bite the hand that feeds you is a ridiculous statement to make in the circumstances. It’s one of the reasons with staff at BA being so afraid to speak out that this current fiasco has manifested. Reference over 30% of staff admitting they are bullied at BA (Sunday times article, 30th of March 2008, reference earlier in this forum)
So, please be my guest to continue kissing the hand that beats you, though you may be one of the chosen few that enjoys a good stroking! Little pet. Being worried about the pay is generally a sign of a manager speaking, as most of us employees with skills are too valuable to current or future employers. It;s the untalented MBA managers who are quaking in their boots at the prospect of no BA.(this is sadly a real prospect) Hence why the pilots are so confident that they will prevail, one way or the other, as they have transferable skills(and there is a shortage). What other airline will take Willy Wonka if its all over? There is always Mars choclate factory in Slough, here they are looking for a plant manger, its only 5 miles from Waterworld.
As for speaking for all of engineering at BA, of course that's ridiculous as my title stands for Big Aircraft Engineering, apologies for any confusion. Anyway I couldn't comment for the whole of BA engineering because engineering is in such a divided and detached place most don't really care what happens to BA. I would IMHO suggest that my views would sit well with a majority at BA let alone engineering.
Finally, you might be right that the standard response to persons supporting BA is to accuse them of being a waterwallower, in this instance it is clearly true, looks like I caught a live one! And to suggest I would wish to use the BA internal communications forum, April fools is tomorrow!! And only a fool would use that thing as it is just asking for retribution!!! Indeed it identifies the individual and then the next thing you know I'd be having my collar felt by some ogre manager.(which might be you for all I know) No for me I prefer the PPRUNE anonymity, freedom of speech and all that this entails. Though maybe you could just cut and paste my comments to the internal forum, sort of posting proxy, I bet you won;t, go on I dare you.
Anyway bored with this, so your on my ignore list from now.
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So, please be my guest to continue kissing the hand that beats you, though you may be one of the chosen few that enjoys a good stroking! Little pet. Being worried about the pay is generally a sign of a manager speaking, as most of us employees with skills are too valuable to current or future employers. It;s the untalented MBA managers who are quaking in their boots at the prospect of no BA.(this is sadly a real prospect) Hence why the pilots are so confident that they will prevail, one way or the other, as they have transferable skills(and there is a shortage). What other airline will take Willy Wonka if its all over? There is always Mars choclate factory in Slough, here they are looking for a plant manger, its only 5 miles from Waterworld.
As for speaking for all of engineering at BA, of course that's ridiculous as my title stands for Big Aircraft Engineering, apologies for any confusion. Anyway I couldn't comment for the whole of BA engineering because engineering is in such a divided and detached place most don't really care what happens to BA. I would IMHO suggest that my views would sit well with a majority at BA let alone engineering.
Finally, you might be right that the standard response to persons supporting BA is to accuse them of being a waterwallower, in this instance it is clearly true, looks like I caught a live one! And to suggest I would wish to use the BA internal communications forum, April fools is tomorrow!! And only a fool would use that thing as it is just asking for retribution!!! Indeed it identifies the individual and then the next thing you know I'd be having my collar felt by some ogre manager.(which might be you for all I know) No for me I prefer the PPRUNE anonymity, freedom of speech and all that this entails. Though maybe you could just cut and paste my comments to the internal forum, sort of posting proxy, I bet you won;t, go on I dare you.
Anyway bored with this, so your on my ignore list from now.
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Ł50 Million cost of Fiasco
Terminal Thursday as it has become affectionately known by BA competitors is looking like set to cost in excess of Ł50 million by city estimates.
Interesting slagging off by bloomberg - LINK
British Airways, whose Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh says he accepts responsibility for the chaos, fell 13 pence, or 5.4 percent, to 227 pence, the biggest decline since March 6, and was trading at 233 pence as of 2:35 p.m. in London. The stock has declined 25 percent so far this year
See Bloomberg have picked up on the TERMINAL decline in BA over the last year. This has nothing to do with T5 Tits up but demonstrates all is not well with BA fr sometime now. The writing is all across the papers despite the news broadcast ban, its a matter of time before the bigwigs start falling.
(cheers storminnormin for the exhaltation)
Interesting slagging off by bloomberg - LINK
British Airways, whose Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh says he accepts responsibility for the chaos, fell 13 pence, or 5.4 percent, to 227 pence, the biggest decline since March 6, and was trading at 233 pence as of 2:35 p.m. in London. The stock has declined 25 percent so far this year
See Bloomberg have picked up on the TERMINAL decline in BA over the last year. This has nothing to do with T5 Tits up but demonstrates all is not well with BA fr sometime now. The writing is all across the papers despite the news broadcast ban, its a matter of time before the bigwigs start falling.
(cheers storminnormin for the exhaltation)
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It would appear a fair number of people are pretty ignorant of what and MBA involves, and exactly who does them. In fact, so much so that it appears to me some people are confusing an MBA with a masters degree.
Firstly, they are very expensive and as such tend to be paid for by companies sponsoring an individual through the course. In a lot of instances, that individual keeps working within the company whilst doing that course. That is certainly not easy.
Seocondly, within the UK at least, it is extremely unusual (although not unheard of) for someone in their 20's to be doing an MBA, as the criteria for acceptance onto the vast majority of the courses is a good degree of relevent industry experience, and an exisiting level of management understanding.
The important thing to remember with respect to an MBA is that if the individual concerned is an idiot prior to taking the course, they will still be an idiot after the course.
It interests me that many purported airline pilots think all MBA's are
. Let’s think about that.Airline Pilot: leaves school at 18, does 12 - 14 months integrated course for an ATPL and c 250 hours. Would you put him or her in the left seat of a 747? No of course not, as the old saying goes it’s “a licence to learn”.
Manager: 1st degree possibly a couple of years in a non management job then a years post graduate higher degree. Should that person be employed in a position that can wreck a company? Again of course not – “it’s a licence to learn”.
Both jobs require experience and common sense. Part of the problem is you can test a pilot to make sure they are safe and generally competent, it’s difficult to do that with a manager and some recruitment people and managers think you can just throw an MBA without real experience in at the deep end. Well generally they are wrong.
A further complication is that an MBA is not necessarily a qualification to manage people or processes (although some is covered much is optional), an MBA is usually about running companies at a strategic level. To be a “real” senior manager / executive you need skills that come from an MBA, skills that come from a “proper” management course (Diploma in Management Science, Professional Diploma in Management etc) and thirdly and most important experience at (most) levels in the organisation.
The answer is to grow managers, with an MBA (and preferably a DMS) along the way. Not to try and get them straight out of the ivory tower educational establishments.
As you might have guessed I followed the longer route and did not start my (5 year) MBA until I was 40 with 8 years reasonably senior management experience and some consulting under my belt (after a career change in my late 20’s). For those of you still unconvinced perhaps I should say I work for the most successful company in our (manufacturing) sector in the world, about half of the senior executive management team have MBA’s all of whom (I think) got them relatively late in life, and half of my management team have them, we are doing very nicely thank you.
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BA eng
I hate to see some of "These types of people" try to
brow beat,or bully others.
I came across a few in my Previous Existance, (when
I had to work), and I have, in my time, filled a few in.
Very satisfying sometimes.
More power to you, and the best of luck to all at BA
in the future.
It will be an uphill struggle though!
Bu88er it, Missed post 767 Ah well
brow beat,or bully others.
I came across a few in my Previous Existance, (when
I had to work), and I have, in my time, filled a few in.
Very satisfying sometimes.
More power to you, and the best of luck to all at BA
in the future.
It will be an uphill struggle though!
Bu88er it, Missed post 767 Ah well
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There are rubbish MBA holders who cannot manage or run anything to save their life. Just like there being rubbish airline pilots, rubbish doctors etc.
Having an MBA is no guarantee of anyone's ability to do their job well.
Having an MBA is no guarantee of anyone's ability to do their job well.
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In a statement to the House of Commons, the Aviation Minister has just admitted that the T5 Baggage Mountain stands at 28,000.
That's almost double what WW said on Saturday.
That's almost double what WW said on Saturday.
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Kirkwood will have to go. 28,000 bags missing. Something around 500 flights cancelled or will be by the middle of this week at the daily cancellation rate.
When Exec Gold cardholders of over 20 years membership call it a day you've got a problem......
When Exec Gold cardholders of over 20 years membership call it a day you've got a problem......
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loyalty
One of Willies quotes, when, I believe, addressing disgruntled LGW cabin crew.
'There's no value in loyalty'
This is the type of person we are dealing with at BA. And hasn't that quote turned around and bitten him on his ass. I believe a vast amount of the 400 volunteers are junior managers who have been given no option but to volunteer. My own manager admitted to me that she had no option but to volunteer.... it was expected of her.
'There's no value in loyalty'
This is the type of person we are dealing with at BA. And hasn't that quote turned around and bitten him on his ass. I believe a vast amount of the 400 volunteers are junior managers who have been given no option but to volunteer. My own manager admitted to me that she had no option but to volunteer.... it was expected of her.
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I hate to see some of "These types of people" try to
brow beat,or bully others.
I came across a few in my Previous Existance, (when
I had to work), and I have, in my time, filled a few in.
Very satisfying sometimes.
brow beat,or bully others.
I came across a few in my Previous Existance, (when
I had to work), and I have, in my time, filled a few in.
Very satisfying sometimes.
I suggest you add me to your ignore list too
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What's the pont of Landside volunteers, the problems are Airside
From '13 Please', post #727:
This partly confirms what I suspected and referred to in my previous effort (#694). What day 1 needed was armies of systems experts looking over the shoulders of the operatives both Land and Air side, but could they get passes for the latter? I suspect not, and from that point on, disaster was more or less assured. If BA management had dug their heels in and challenged DfT and BAA security, not only might we not be talking about it all now, but a blow for a bit of common sense in the security field might at last been struck (see countless moans in CHIRP about the same stupidity getting in the way of air safety)
My last posting crossed with 118.7's #692, which had this gem of an exchange from the Parliamentary Transport Select Committee hearing on the future of BAA (surely an oxymoron..any idea of the date, sir?)
Doesn't anyone there know what is going on daily?
The whole of BA staff, at LHR at least, have received emails asking for volunteers.They cannot get airside passes for non-airside staff. My sister, (non-airside), has volunteered, and spent time answering phones from pax, helping to rebook. unpaid
My last posting crossed with 118.7's #692, which had this gem of an exchange from the Parliamentary Transport Select Committee hearing on the future of BAA (surely an oxymoron..any idea of the date, sir?)
Q253 Chairman: Mr Nelson, surely in the talks you have had with the airlines they cannot have been silent on this matter. Are you aware of any of the crews having difficulty getting through security and being delayed with an effect upon their flight time?
Mr Nelson: Chairman, I was certainly aware of the intensity of the problem in and around 10 August and beyond. I have not been made aware of this recently and the issues we tend to talk about in regular strategic dialogue with airlines is around control posts and less around the staff security.
Mr Nelson: Chairman, I was certainly aware of the intensity of the problem in and around 10 August and beyond. I have not been made aware of this recently and the issues we tend to talk about in regular strategic dialogue with airlines is around control posts and less around the staff security.