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If Flymaybe do decide to operate other routes from Manston. it'll be on their terms.
It' my understanding that new routes from new airports (or even ones they've operated from previously, or currently) are on a sliding scale. i.e at a place like Manston, it will be strictly no landing fees or passenger taxes charged to the airline for an unspecified period of time.
This used to be, on average, around 3 months, but I've recently heard of a major airport in the north of England offering a major operator (bigger than Flybe), 18 months on those terms.
It's then up to the airport to make money via passenger throughput in the terminal.
It's difficult to see how Manston are even going to cover their costs, never mind making a profit.
It' my understanding that new routes from new airports (or even ones they've operated from previously, or currently) are on a sliding scale. i.e at a place like Manston, it will be strictly no landing fees or passenger taxes charged to the airline for an unspecified period of time.
This used to be, on average, around 3 months, but I've recently heard of a major airport in the north of England offering a major operator (bigger than Flybe), 18 months on those terms.
It's then up to the airport to make money via passenger throughput in the terminal.
It's difficult to see how Manston are even going to cover their costs, never mind making a profit.
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What's the source of your information?
One of the Thanet newspapers I was reading this morning at work, think it was the KM Thanet Extra but I'll post the article anyway on Monday when I get back to work.
What's the source of your information?
One of the Thanet newspapers I was reading this morning at work, think it was the KM Thanet Extra but I'll post the article anyway on Monday when I get back to work.
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It was the Thanet Extra, unfortunately the article is not available on line so here's the main bit.
Niall Duffy, spokesman for Flybe said "Based on the strong level of early bookings we'd be more than likely to continue the Manston - Jersey route next year." and "we'd need to talk to our travel partners but this initial success may tempt us into flying to other destinations in the future - possibly to some of the French regional airports which are well suited to our aircraft."
Niall Duffy, spokesman for Flybe said "Based on the strong level of early bookings we'd be more than likely to continue the Manston - Jersey route next year." and "we'd need to talk to our travel partners but this initial success may tempt us into flying to other destinations in the future - possibly to some of the French regional airports which are well suited to our aircraft."
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Of passing interest to some, but not of any significance. The Flybe flights at Manston are a tiny operation and the above story is simply a press release mixed with a bit of advertising.
A far more significant story is the admission that Infratil would not rule out selling Manston if they could find a buyer due to it's continued heavy losses.
I doubt the local management will be issuing a press release about this!
A far more significant story is the admission that Infratil would not rule out selling Manston if they could find a buyer due to it's continued heavy losses.
I doubt the local management will be issuing a press release about this!
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Statement from Infratil CEO, Marko Bogoievski :
“The short term market conditions in no way change the future potential of the airport [KIA] as outlined in our development plans. Although the current economic downturn has affected KIA in the same way as it has affected other UK airports and business in general, we firmly believe that markets will recover and KIA will be ideally situated to provide an immediate solution to the South East’s predicted runway capacity shortfall. We are not actively seeking to sell KIA, and remain committed to its long term development.
“The short term market conditions in no way change the future potential of the airport [KIA] as outlined in our development plans. Although the current economic downturn has affected KIA in the same way as it has affected other UK airports and business in general, we firmly believe that markets will recover and KIA will be ideally situated to provide an immediate solution to the South East’s predicted runway capacity shortfall. We are not actively seeking to sell KIA, and remain committed to its long term development.
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Lots of positive things to talk about.
May 09 freight tonnage is, I understand, up sharply on May 08. June's looks the same. World has started a Thursday service from Nairobi, and MK/BGB have started running the Wednesday service again (will it last?). All this during the English growing season!
Biz traffic is doing very well, moving people, rather than just training.
The Jersey route is washing its face.
The CAS hangar has been leased by a company that should start maintenance work at the end of the summer.
Green shoots, or what?
May 09 freight tonnage is, I understand, up sharply on May 08. June's looks the same. World has started a Thursday service from Nairobi, and MK/BGB have started running the Wednesday service again (will it last?). All this during the English growing season!
Biz traffic is doing very well, moving people, rather than just training.
The Jersey route is washing its face.
The CAS hangar has been leased by a company that should start maintenance work at the end of the summer.
Green shoots, or what?
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Lots of positive things to talk about.
The CAS hangar has been leased by a company that should start maintenance work at the end of the summer.
Thought they'd already started, 9G-AED was in for some work and an Airlift International DC-8 was/is due as well.
Seems odd too that recently the Infratil CEO was talking of the company selling stakes in the place, next that they're not selling and are continuing with the plans for its long term development.
The CAS hangar has been leased by a company that should start maintenance work at the end of the summer.
Thought they'd already started, 9G-AED was in for some work and an Airlift International DC-8 was/is due as well.
Seems odd too that recently the Infratil CEO was talking of the company selling stakes in the place, next that they're not selling and are continuing with the plans for its long term development.
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Not really.
"We are not actively seeking to sell KIA" is a realistic statement.
With losses of £4M per year after 10 years, KIA is effectively unsellable, but the statement by the CEO makes it clear that Manston is available should anyone wish to buy it.
Also, anyone wishing to sell any item does not say "It's a turkey and we wish we'd never bought it", they talk about it's "potential" instead.
Obvious really.
"We are not actively seeking to sell KIA" is a realistic statement.
With losses of £4M per year after 10 years, KIA is effectively unsellable, but the statement by the CEO makes it clear that Manston is available should anyone wish to buy it.
Also, anyone wishing to sell any item does not say "It's a turkey and we wish we'd never bought it", they talk about it's "potential" instead.
Obvious really.
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"With losses of £4M per year after 10 years, KIA is effectively unsellable"
Big assumption. There are numerous examples where companies have made (and are making) losses but have been sold successfully. Many buying companies actually take on the losses because of the present assets and where they see the long term potential.
Big assumption. There are numerous examples where companies have made (and are making) losses but have been sold successfully. Many buying companies actually take on the losses because of the present assets and where they see the long term potential.
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Flybe should be more realistic, if they are going to attempt expansion from Manston. IMO, Edinburgh, Dublin and Manchester would be better starters, with more international stuff following later on, once they have had time to build their presence up.
I hope it happens, though.
I hope it happens, though.
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Spot on with this comment. I was surprised by the French talk, because Infratil are very keen to get Flybe on the routes you mention; they are ideal for Dash 8s, and would support two per day, but Dublin might only justify one.
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What Bartek and Jes are suggesting isn't economically viable.
It would take at least 2 aircraft and the associated crews, engineers and ground support to be based at Manston to do the suggested services.
This has been tried at several other airports and Flybe no longer have bases there, but still fly the routes starting at the other end.
Given the economic climate at present and for the next 12 months, it's highly unlikely that Flybe would base an/or several aircraft at Manston and it's highly inlikely that Infratil could afford to offer Flybe the finacial incentives required for them to have a base there.
It might work if Infratil put their hands in their pockets, but they'd have to dig mighty deep and I wouldn't hold your breath.
It would take at least 2 aircraft and the associated crews, engineers and ground support to be based at Manston to do the suggested services.
This has been tried at several other airports and Flybe no longer have bases there, but still fly the routes starting at the other end.
Given the economic climate at present and for the next 12 months, it's highly unlikely that Flybe would base an/or several aircraft at Manston and it's highly inlikely that Infratil could afford to offer Flybe the finacial incentives required for them to have a base there.
It might work if Infratil put their hands in their pockets, but they'd have to dig mighty deep and I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Manston's May report:
Freight volumes of 2,260 tonnes in May, were 68% ahead of May 2008. The previous period had been depressed by the termination at that time of MK Airlines services because high fuel costs had caused its failure. May tonnage was 13% higher than April's.
In May Flybe, Europe's largest regional airline, launched a weekly Q400 service to the Channel Island of Jersey.
Freight volumes of 2,260 tonnes in May, were 68% ahead of May 2008. The previous period had been depressed by the termination at that time of MK Airlines services because high fuel costs had caused its failure. May tonnage was 13% higher than April's.
In May Flybe, Europe's largest regional airline, launched a weekly Q400 service to the Channel Island of Jersey.
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Newmarkets Holidays
I was asked to book a week away in July/August from Manston preferably to Italy but Newmarkets website is only offering availability to any destination in November 2009. I emailed the company and they said that they had nothing available in July/August/Sept or Oct? Does anyone know if this is becasue of service problems or have they simply sold all their capacity?
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Generally speaking they don't run any departures during the Jul-Aug peak, they tend to stick to early and late season as it means that they can source their hotel rooms and charter flights much more cheaply.
I haven't checked, but it may be that, in addition to this, Newmarket never did have any Sep or Oct departures planned from Manston this year anyway...which might explain why the soonest availability is October.
Someone closer to the airport might be able to confirm if there were any Sep/Oct departures and, if so, this on the other hand might prove the theory that the flights are already sold out..
Generally speaking they don't run any departures during the Jul-Aug peak, they tend to stick to early and late season as it means that they can source their hotel rooms and charter flights much more cheaply.
I haven't checked, but it may be that, in addition to this, Newmarket never did have any Sep or Oct departures planned from Manston this year anyway...which might explain why the soonest availability is October.
Someone closer to the airport might be able to confirm if there were any Sep/Oct departures and, if so, this on the other hand might prove the theory that the flights are already sold out..