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Old 19th Jan 2011, 05:56
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So Jaime you must work for up to 12 hours and 30 mins a day without stopping for a sit down of 30 mins and you must be just getting a bite to eat on the go standing up in between moments of whatever you do. Not to mention the dark circles you don't have under your eyes as you go from late to early to late to longhaul.

You're such a human dynamo you should really consider going for Taoiseach.

I've a good few friends who are working there in EI and they work bl**dy hard. All they are trying to do is have some down time to recharge their batteries. Is that too much to ask? Working as either a pilot or cabin crew member is not like most jobs. They're working with the public, not just to ensure that their tea is nice and hot but also to ensure the safety and well being of every individual on board an aircraft and the safety and security of the aircraft itself.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 08:15
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The flight deck personnel are surely working similar hours with the cabin crew on any particular flight?
Surely the same working conditions apply to the flight deck crew and the cabin crew?
If I am correct, what is the 'real cause' of the present dispute between the cabin crew and the management?
I'm not taking sides here, I just want to ascertain the real facts because in most disputes truth is the first to suffer.
Incidentally I'm booked to fly with EI from AGP next week!
Ah well, if the flight is cancelled - to-days flight has been cancelled - I and Mrs H will book ourselves into a hotel near the Airport as EI will have to pay including meals and taxis.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 08:33
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You probably wont get much support on this thread Jamie but in many ways i agree with you.

I also know loads that would jump at the chance of just having a job at this stage but i also know from experience what its like to have new terms and conditions imposed.. Its not nice. However in my position it was either take it or we'll easily find someone else who will do it. I dont work in a unionised environment though so i had to take it. And glad i am to have the job.

Can someone explain what the full issue here is. I was under the impression that this was all agreed under the Greenfield agreement and that this agreement was accepted.

What has happened to that or what is the current issue?
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 10:35
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victoria73

I read on the aerlingus thread that aerlingus/aer arann starting a new route from Shannon to Edinburgh wonder do they have many ATR aircraft possibly base one or to in Bfs and pick up the MAN'BHX.left redundant by Bmi baby would be good we earner's for aerligus and a further foot over the door with domestic flights from Bfs,plus the market is definantly there for them.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 11:38
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The difference, Heidelberg, is that pilots can take their meal break in flight, out of sight of pax! Cabin crew get no such downtime in the cruise. So therefore they don't eat under the new arrangements. Is that a good way to work? In no other job would you be expected to work for 10 hours without food or a break. That's without considering that the majority of that ten hours is spent in a cabin at 8000 feet. The crew have already taken a large dose of medicine, and failed to stick up for themselves. The company will keep coming back for more until the crews take a stand. Thats the culture the lovely Michael has propagated(450 million profit and a ten per cent pay cut- where's the logic there? No other industry would accept this nonsense)
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 17:31
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Monarch operated EI 105 to JFK on the A300 yesterday and also the MAD service but the other monarch planes were in DUB for an ad hoc for pfizer bringing staff in for a conference.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 19:09
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17 flights already cancelled tomorrow form Dublin.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 23:29
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Jamie, So you can spit about EI workers being lucky to have a job etc etc but the only reply you make is to tell us about the flights cancelled tomorrow. Have you lost the balls to ram your opinion down our throats?
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 14:48
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Ryanair has confirmed that Aer Lingus is hiring four planes from it in order to maintain its schedule during the cabin crew dispute.

It is understood that the leases will be at prices below market rates.

Ryanair has said it was prepared to make more planes available if required
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 23:47
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Some posters were asking about the changes to the rostering policies..

I've listed some (not all of them) to give you an idea.. for anyone who does not fly for a living it can be hard to understand (or appreciate) how difficult (and exhausting) this type of shift work can be.. bear in mind these changes are above and beyond what was agreed by cabin crew in the Greenfield plan and many of the changes have no impact on increasing productivity (such as the ability to request a weekend off).

And of course every crew member (and I'm sure every employee in Ireland) appreciates having a job.. we all know and have someone belonging to us who has been affected by economic mess we live.. this does not mean any of us should roll over and accept sub standard working conditions..


* All meal breaks removed from European flights. This means cabin crew can work shifts of up to 11 hours with no meal break. There was formerly an entitlement to a half-hour break after six hours duties.


* Double’: shifts where staff must work on flights out and back from a destination twice in a day. (eg: Dublin-Geneva-Cork-Geneva-Dublin. These ‘doubles’ can also include other destinations of similar distance, eg, Paris; Amsterdam; Hamburg. The doubles mean a working day of up to 11 hours – and more if there are delays for any reason.


* Duties can be changed by 3 hours on the day of duty. Eg, you could come in to do a 7am flight to be told you are on a different flight departing up to three hours later (not including delays) – and can finish work three hours later than rostered. A nightmare if you have kids or other caring responsibilities.


* Similarly, duties can be changed by up to four hours the day before the rostered shift.


* The existing right to request one weekend off duty every eight weeks is abolished under the new rosters. (bear in mind even though you could request a weekend you were not guaranteed a weekend off)

* The minimum of 8 rostered days off per month is reduced to 7.


* Cabin crew can be sent (with very short notice) to work away from base for 26 days at a stretch. No such duty has yet been rostered, but there are big fears about how this would work in practice, particularly for those with childcare and other caring responsibilities.


* The rest period on transatlantic flights has been halved from 24/20/17 (depending on route) hours to 12 hours. This means that staff can do the outward flight to, say, New York and then work the flight back to Ireland that evening.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 04:42
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Has Lingus joined Easy & Ryanair in 'race to the bottom'

Must admit S-crew'd account of the new T&C's make interesting reading.

How do these new T&C's compare with other airlines, including Easy and Ryanair?

Perhaps cabin crew from other airlines would like to enlighten us for comparison purposes.

I do admit, based on the account by S-crewe'd, life as cabin crew with AL is not very attractive. I wonder if this will lead to a big turnover of staff from here on?

There is one caveat - has the Mandate union been honest with its public statements?
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 06:11
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Considering ORK, SNN, BFS and LGW EI crew bases are working as normal, I can only assume that other bases are working to new rosters
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 07:18
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The rest period on transatlantic flights has been halved from 24/20/17 (depending on route) hours to 12 hours. This means that staff can do the outward flight to, say, New York and then work the flight back to Ireland that evening.
Um, I don't think so; according to the schedule the morning flight from DUB-JFK departs 10:45 and arrives 13:15, while the late flight back departs 21:45 arrives 09:45. Even with a twelve hour rest period you're guaranteed an overnight on that one.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 07:35
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i wouldnt say the 12 hour turnaround around re T/A would be a norm roster but a get of jail re delays.....
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 10:11
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Um, I don't think so; according to the schedule the morning flight from DUB-JFK departs 10:45 and arrives 13:15, while the late flight back departs 21:45 arrives 09:45. Even with a twelve hour rest period you're guaranteed an overnight on that one.
It's that small focused mindset that makes me glad people like you are not in charge of negotiating anyone's contract.

So just because this weeks schedule doesn't fit that rule has no bearing on next weeks schedule.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 10:50
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Can you give us an example of a European roster where you wouldn't have a meal break for up to 11 hours. Also, how long is a meal break?
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 12:37
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So just because this weeks schedule doesn't fit that rule has no bearing on next weeks schedule.
True, but using a hypothetical future change in schedule that doesn't currently exist as an argument for why the new rosters are bad doesn't wash with me.

Be that as it may, if it is true that duties can be changed by up to three hours on the day then I'm entirely supportive of the crew action; something like this isn't reasonable in any job.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 13:12
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Buddy of mine was called at 5am two days ago even though her standby duty wasn't to start until 7am. They said she was needed sooner for another duty departing earlier than 7. She's now suspended.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 18:14
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I thought EU-ops states that crew are allowed a 20 mins break for every 6hours of flight duty.

Even at ryanair crew get breaks, its not set in stone what time, but the cabin crew manager tells crew to have a sit and a relax. Im not being funny, but some flights that ryanair done today, like WAW and BUD, the crew would of sat down most of it.

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Old 21st Jan 2011, 19:14
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Ryanair operating for EI

Does anyone know specifically which EI flights Ryanair have operated for EI today, to what airports? Be interesting to see an FR putting in an appearance again at LHR.


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