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The rest period on transatlantic flights has been halved from 24/20/17 (depending on route) hours to 12 hours. This means that staff can do the outward flight to, say, New York and then work the flight back to Ireland that evening.
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Um, I don't think so; according to the schedule the morning flight from DUB-JFK departs 10:45 and arrives 13:15, while the late flight back departs 21:45 arrives 09:45. Even with a twelve hour rest period you're guaranteed an overnight on that one.
So just because this weeks schedule doesn't fit that rule has no bearing on next weeks schedule.
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So just because this weeks schedule doesn't fit that rule has no bearing on next weeks schedule.
Be that as it may, if it is true that duties can be changed by up to three hours on the day then I'm entirely supportive of the crew action; something like this isn't reasonable in any job.
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Buddy of mine was called at 5am two days ago even though her standby duty wasn't to start until 7am. They said she was needed sooner for another duty departing earlier than 7. She's now suspended.
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I thought EU-ops states that crew are allowed a 20 mins break for every 6hours of flight duty.
Even at ryanair crew get breaks, its not set in stone what time, but the cabin crew manager tells crew to have a sit and a relax. Im not being funny, but some flights that ryanair done today, like WAW and BUD, the crew would of sat down most of it.
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Even at ryanair crew get breaks, its not set in stone what time, but the cabin crew manager tells crew to have a sit and a relax. Im not being funny, but some flights that ryanair done today, like WAW and BUD, the crew would of sat down most of it.
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Ryanair operating for EI
Does anyone know specifically which EI flights Ryanair have operated for EI today, to what airports? Be interesting to see an FR putting in an appearance again at LHR.
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FR ops for EI
The EI 202,203,204,205,212,213,218 & 219 DUB/MAN have been an FR B738 - EI-DYD
Think there might have been using FR craft to BRU also
Think there might have been using FR craft to BRU also
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glad to help EI-BUD, just looking on libhomeradar now and according to that site, EI registered B738's have also operated CDG, DUS, WAW and BUD today too.
G-OZBU G-OZBM G-ZAPX and G-OZBL have also op-ed for EI today too
G-OZBU G-OZBM G-ZAPX and G-OZBL have also op-ed for EI today too
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EI-BUD, I think on the Dublin thread someone said there were a few Monarch craft parked up in DUB. Must be the reason why they were there.
I know they used Titan craft in Dec too.
And, there were a lot of perplexed faces at boarding - looking at the gate with an EI prefix and getting led onto an FR bird!
I know they used Titan craft in Dec too.
And, there were a lot of perplexed faces at boarding - looking at the gate with an EI prefix and getting led onto an FR bird!
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Monarch
G-OZBM was not used all day by Aer Lingus, as it departed BHX at 15.01 on EI2998.
BHX also had a Monarch flight from Dublin last night but that was a charter, as explained on the Dublin thread.
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BHX also had a Monarch flight from Dublin last night but that was a charter, as explained on the Dublin thread.
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Sober Lark: "Can you give us an example of a European roster where you wouldn't have a meal break for up to 11 hours. Also, how long is a meal break?"
An easy one would be DUB-LHR-DUB-LHR-DUB. 4 sectors, scheduled sector length is 1,15. Total duty time is usually 9 hours where 5 count as block hours. Flights are short and usually quite busy so crew are not able to sit down in an area 'seperated from flight deck and passenger cabin' as mandated by Eu Ops.
Previously EI would roster one of the turnarounds to be 55 minutes to allow time for the 30 minute break. Crew often didn't take a break if running late to get home on or around schedule. EI permitted crew to take break at other turnarounds depending on the operational needs on the day. But they point was that they were permitted a break if they needed it.
The LRC document advised to keep meal breaks of 30 minutes but to have then more flexible. The union took this to mean breaks onboard/inflight for longer European flights while the shorter more hectic flights (AMS/CDG/LHR etc) had the break on the ground. EI didn't respond to a request in September from the union for a list of flights to get breaks on turnarounds.
Of course on a DU-TFS-DUB duty it would be no problem to take a break inflight. The union wanted a clear definition of when to take breaks. the company has no responded with a section in the new rules that states "On flight duties over 6 hours you are entitled to a meal" No mention of be entitled to a 'break'. And cabin crew (and flight deck) are exempt from the Working Time Act as their place of work is legally classified as a vehicle not a workplace under Irish legislation.
In relation to the question of the union statements I will stand by their veracity. At the same time you have EI claiming the new rules are 'approved by outside bodies'. They nicely ignore the paragraph in the LRC arbitration that states that 'further changes may be required. These shall be identified and implemented following a 3 month review by the LRC." No such review or suggestion has taken place to date.
An easy one would be DUB-LHR-DUB-LHR-DUB. 4 sectors, scheduled sector length is 1,15. Total duty time is usually 9 hours where 5 count as block hours. Flights are short and usually quite busy so crew are not able to sit down in an area 'seperated from flight deck and passenger cabin' as mandated by Eu Ops.
Previously EI would roster one of the turnarounds to be 55 minutes to allow time for the 30 minute break. Crew often didn't take a break if running late to get home on or around schedule. EI permitted crew to take break at other turnarounds depending on the operational needs on the day. But they point was that they were permitted a break if they needed it.
The LRC document advised to keep meal breaks of 30 minutes but to have then more flexible. The union took this to mean breaks onboard/inflight for longer European flights while the shorter more hectic flights (AMS/CDG/LHR etc) had the break on the ground. EI didn't respond to a request in September from the union for a list of flights to get breaks on turnarounds.
Of course on a DU-TFS-DUB duty it would be no problem to take a break inflight. The union wanted a clear definition of when to take breaks. the company has no responded with a section in the new rules that states "On flight duties over 6 hours you are entitled to a meal" No mention of be entitled to a 'break'. And cabin crew (and flight deck) are exempt from the Working Time Act as their place of work is legally classified as a vehicle not a workplace under Irish legislation.
In relation to the question of the union statements I will stand by their veracity. At the same time you have EI claiming the new rules are 'approved by outside bodies'. They nicely ignore the paragraph in the LRC arbitration that states that 'further changes may be required. These shall be identified and implemented following a 3 month review by the LRC." No such review or suggestion has taken place to date.
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Amazing how some banks failed despite have a financial regulator. Anglo, Lehman Brothers etc.
Amazing how some restaurants still have substandard hygiene practices despite The Food safety authority etc.
Amazing how companies break employment law knowing the staff will not take them on because they are not unionised and the fear for future ramifications like denial of promotion etc.
Unions as I see it are the regulators. Granted they don't always get it right. ( neither do management )
The necessity for protection is innate in us all because of the selfishness of human nature.
I dont know enough about this current dispute to give an informed opinion, but I do know enough about life to realise there is no smoke without fire. If someone feels the need to take up arms, then a line has been crossed.
Here's for a negotiated resolution. Good luck to both sides. Cheers.
Amazing how some restaurants still have substandard hygiene practices despite The Food safety authority etc.
Amazing how companies break employment law knowing the staff will not take them on because they are not unionised and the fear for future ramifications like denial of promotion etc.
Unions as I see it are the regulators. Granted they don't always get it right. ( neither do management )
The necessity for protection is innate in us all because of the selfishness of human nature.
I dont know enough about this current dispute to give an informed opinion, but I do know enough about life to realise there is no smoke without fire. If someone feels the need to take up arms, then a line has been crossed.
Here's for a negotiated resolution. Good luck to both sides. Cheers.