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Old 28th Mar 2008, 21:01
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MANX2

As a result of sales achieved since launching the route Manx2 are to add a Saturday morning rotation from 17th May arriving at EMA 10.00 - NM411/2
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Old 29th Mar 2008, 10:17
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manx 2

Thanks balair on that info, as a tour operator i thought a sat was main day for booking hotels in the I.O.M.
Now we could do with flights back for GCI AND NQY, should suite a airline with 19/30 seats as clients ask for flights to GCI AND NQY from EMA.

To all who replied ref b747f at PIK/MAN/STN thanks

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Old 29th Mar 2008, 23:01
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i've been talking to some friends about it, that it would be a great idea to have Newquay from EMA and it would fit into Eastern Airways timetable for sure, as its only a hours flight and do you think that flybe might possibly start a guernsey route for example 3-4 times a week??

could be possible
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Old 30th Mar 2008, 07:09
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Gci / Nqy?

I would think it rather unlikely that these routes would be viable from EMA given that FlyBe have been flying from BHX to GCI for several years (1-2 flights per day) & start to NQY next week (with launch deal fares as low as 0, just paying taxes only at c.44 return). Given that BHX is not that far away down the M42 are they really economical for the aircraft type & airline (Eastern) being suggested here? Their market is business traffic & these are really more leisure destinations.
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Old 30th Mar 2008, 10:02
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Could someone please confirm that NM uses the SWM on IOM-EMA-IOM? Cheers.
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Old 2nd Apr 2008, 10:44
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Gci And Nqy

Chalfont flyer
As a tour operator if the client asks to depart from east midlands airport and thy live in the area thy will fly on the best service and as the options are birmingham airport most clients do not like BHX the airport has a very bad name and i have seen for myself what BHX does to pax over the past years.

Airlines best suited for gci and nqy would be AIR SOUTHWEST,BLUE ISLAND,MANX 2,AIR ATLANTIC.

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Old 2nd Apr 2008, 12:00
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i have seen for myself what BHX does to pax over the past years.
Well, what does it do? Eat 'em? Sell them into slavery? It's about time that you got the Birmingham chip off your shoulders on the East Midlands thread sonny.
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Old 2nd Apr 2008, 12:42
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Gci / Nqy

Stuart,

I don't doubt that your clients would prefer to fly from the airport nearest where they live. However the question here really is are they prepared to pay the premium the airlines you mention would probably have to charge for tickets vs. FlyBe ex BHX?

In the current economic climate, I would doubt it.

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Old 3rd Apr 2008, 19:30
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How were the pax figures doing for the Gdansk and Nice flights with bmibaby on Tuesday, there next flights are on saturday I think
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How were the pax figures doing for the Gdansk and Nice flights with bmibaby -

Gdansk loads were mid 70's and Nice did very good at 133,
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Old 4th Apr 2008, 20:23
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Hey, seen builders moving in onto the medium stay car park near the Prestige building, they've closed the road next to the terminal and re-routing traffic the other side. Anybody know what the airport are doing?
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As I understand, the new apron is to become FR exclusive, with a high-level walkway to arrivals although I am not sure if this is related to this or not. But what I don't understand is that the apron only holds 6 B738 sized aircraft, but by this time next year FR should have 10 a/c based. This building work may involve the extension of the apron into the medium stay car park, as previous mentioned in the thread a while back.

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Bit of wishful thinking there Sam I fear.

Since FR have publicly made such big commitments to BHX I doubt that EMA will see 10 based aircraft within a year.
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No wishful thinking here - all info is sourced.

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Old 5th Apr 2008, 17:29
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No wishful thinking here - all info is sourced.
Where did you get the info from? Have you got any idea on timescale and new routes?
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I have to agree with egnxema, FR's previous plans may have been to expand at EMA, but now they have fallen back into bed with BHX I suspect their plans may have changed somewhat; you only have to look at FR's website to see where they are now focusing their attention!

The UK homepage features flights for STN, LPL and BRS with the EMA section now replaced by BHX, even though they only currently offer 22 routes against EMA's 36; further more when you "click here for more routes" flights from EMA still are not shown...?

With the current economic climate and the duplication of some routes at these airports, I suspect you may see a gradual transfer of the thinner routes over to BHX, I think the best EMA can hope for in the near future is the retention of FR's six based aircraft.
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I am only passing on info that I have been informed of by an FR emplyee who works for FR at EMA. He says to expect 2 more a/c in the autumn and 2 more next spring, making 10. He says that the new apron will become FR exclusive with a high-level walkway to arrivals and apparently all this is as well as FR's plans for BHX. Although I am passing on what I have been told, it wouldn't surprise me to be honest. FR have invested much in EMA over the last few years and I do not expect them to just jump ship to BHX. As i say I am only passing on what I have been told, and this is a rumour network after all.

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Ten based units by next year does sound a lot considering the BHX base.

Assuming that all four arrive and they do six sectors a day minimum and
each aircraft does the same destination Mo We Fr Sun and another destination Tu Th, Sa for each morning, afternoon and evening rotation, then is that 24 new routes for these 4 aircraft?

Okay some will run daily such as Malaga, Palma, Alicante (possibly PIK double daily but that would be a risky one), you could still be looking at
18 -21 new destinations and this seems crazy with a new base nearby.

I thought that they might have gone after Sterling with Scandinavian destinations but the pax loads thus far on OSL, CPH & ARN will see them off without any FR input unless they improve quickly (I know it has been winter but average loads between 50 and 70? is low to say the least).

I thought aircraft 7 was rumoured by dumdumbrain for late 2007 or Spring 2008 but that never happened despite the culling of Stansted routes, it all suggests a change of strategy in the Midlands.

You can see aircraft seven arriving to go after baby & easy on the core Spanish routes and possibly number eight for a mix of Scandinavia destinations and others but ten just sounds too much in such a short space of time.

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A seventh unit to go after easy & baby? your having a laugh...........

Ryanair do very well where, they are the only airline you can fly with or your from Eastern Europe or a pikey, but against Easy or even baby your having a laugh. Both companies know their markets and customers well and if you think Ryanairs (utter contempt) for their passengers will apeal to Easy or baby pax, then think again, BHX is a huge gamble for Ryanair, in simple terms they have nowhere else to go, think about it what else could they do? the days of airports being prostitutes for MOL are fast coming to end. I fully expect another profit warning before the summer is out and MOL will be gone in a year, because if they don't perform whats the point of having a loud mouth lout running your company, if you deliver the results you can sit at the board room table and play with your self and get away with it, fail to deliver and your just another w***er and history
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If ryanair still have aircraft to place do you not think they will go daily
on Palma (none yet), Malaga (3 a week mid summer I think), daily Alicante (now 3 a week) and offer fares at 50 return to hurt the competition.

The punters will say that you very much skip baby & easy and where
does that leave them. easy still 3 based units (some chopping and
changing of routes) but probably have the resources to see it out to a point but do baby?

I am no fan of ryanair due to their aggressive nature but have you checked the CAA stats for Belfast from East Mids? Ryanair have taken 2000 out of Baby's Aldergrove operation in Feb and as much as I love baby will they be able to offer three flights a day for much longer.

True the FR's figures are not that good either but baby's 2000 pax have gone somewhere and FR's x thousand have come from somewhere (yes some will be speculative day trippers but not all) and it will be interesting to see who blinks first.

easy blinked first on the Rome and we will have to wait and see re the
Malaga & Alicante with the three operators come mid summer.

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