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Don't think this is going to happen anytime soon, Continental @ BRS seem to holding their own at the moment load factors are pretty stable. I would imagine the weak pound will be helping as it's good for the americans to visit the UK at the moment.
Cardiff could do with a new based airline to start offering some decent destinations to revive things.
Cardiff could do with a new based airline to start offering some decent destinations to revive things.
CWL is a dead airport and it pains me to say it. They are good at one thing though and it beats every other regional airport in the country......CWL are masters at pricing themselves out of any deals.
God forbid if Baby leave CWL which is pretty likely at some point in the not to distant future as long as Lufthansa control them, CWL will be like it was in the early 80's 4 depatures a day!
God forbid if Baby leave CWL which is pretty likely at some point in the not to distant future as long as Lufthansa control them, CWL will be like it was in the early 80's 4 depatures a day!
I'm told that the Delta thing is more than just a rumour - they have applied for slots at Cardiff from Summer 2010 for a daily 757 service. There are plenty of examples of airlines applying for slots for routes which they never eventually fly, but this does at least seem to be a show by Delta that they are actively considering it. Even that is a pretty good start in today's world.
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Although CWL is slot co-ordinated for Summer (god knows why) Delta can have their pic of whatever they want. It's not exactly busy!
Anyway...DL... as if! More like a monthly GSM to Hamilton, via Glasgow, Belfast and Knock, EFT 15 Hours
Anyway...DL... as if! More like a monthly GSM to Hamilton, via Glasgow, Belfast and Knock, EFT 15 Hours
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Several years ago Delta showed an interest in serving a CWL and nothing materialised of it.
x3 flights a week would be a good start aiming at the weekend away market.
What aircraft if it ever did happen would they use...........a B757 ?
Suppose we will just have to wait and see what happens..........
x3 flights a week would be a good start aiming at the weekend away market.
What aircraft if it ever did happen would they use...........a B757 ?
Suppose we will just have to wait and see what happens..........
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You never know...........time will tell.........wasn't New York one of the top destinations on the Airport survey back last year ?
Believe it or not but I am sure that the "chiefs" are out there doing their best to get the airlines into CWL
Believe it or not but I am sure that the "chiefs" are out there doing their best to get the airlines into CWL
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People need to have trust, and stop being so negative. What if airlines were looking in our negative views of the airport? Hmmm. Not a good vision.
Let's get behind such route developments, if they materialise then brilliant! If not, then the management and us, the public, can't say we didn't support it/them!
Let's get behind such route developments, if they materialise then brilliant! If not, then the management and us, the public, can't say we didn't support it/them!
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Good point there, Im sure CWL management are not the kind to just sit there and let business pass by. Im sure that after the BMI baby news they are out there doing their best to get airlines interested in CWL.
Give them a break and show some support - you never know they may shock us all in the future !
Back to last night.............what airlines diverted in from BRS ?
Give them a break and show some support - you never know they may shock us all in the future !
Back to last night.............what airlines diverted in from BRS ?
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Only two airlines, across 6 flights, were diverted last night:
** Arrived: 5 x EZY (AMS, EDI, BFS, GLA, NCL) & 1 x TCX (LPA)
** Possible: 1 x KLM (AMS), 1 x TOM (SSH) & 1 x EZY (MAD) - all ended up operating into BRS.
One EZY operated the SXF route from CWL, all others either waited until this morning or positioned back to their stations.
Quite an eventful and enjoyable night I must say!
** Arrived: 5 x EZY (AMS, EDI, BFS, GLA, NCL) & 1 x TCX (LPA)
** Possible: 1 x KLM (AMS), 1 x TOM (SSH) & 1 x EZY (MAD) - all ended up operating into BRS.
One EZY operated the SXF route from CWL, all others either waited until this morning or positioned back to their stations.
Quite an eventful and enjoyable night I must say!
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Times like this are the best...............a good variety of airlines & aircraft types on the ground.
Bet Aviance had a nightmare especially now that Servisair have long gone....it must have been "panic mode" there !
Bet Aviance had a nightmare especially now that Servisair have long gone....it must have been "panic mode" there !
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We [aviance] love'd it when BRS closed! Well, personally, I did (and we coped VERY well must I add). For a few hours it felt like a real airport, albeit BRS was closed, it gave a different approach to the evening shift! [Now] Back to the CWL relaxation 
/sadly\
/sadly\
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I have to say staff at CWL coped very well during the disruption the other night. To put in perspective that there was a tech flybe poistioning out plus the WW2333 had a technical problem, offloaded then re-boarded 30 mins later all around the same period i would say it was a very smooth operation.
I would imagine that pax figure arrived after 17:00 when it started kicking off was almost double to what we were expecting i would say 100% to all staff involved.
*** Addition a Eastern Airways (ABZ) and Air France (AT7) in the afternoon approx 13:00.
It was a pleasure to deal with the crews of the diverted aircraft who were all very pleasant, and hoped they found their handling satisfactory.
I would imagine that pax figure arrived after 17:00 when it started kicking off was almost double to what we were expecting i would say 100% to all staff involved.
*** Addition a Eastern Airways (ABZ) and Air France (AT7) in the afternoon approx 13:00.
It was a pleasure to deal with the crews of the diverted aircraft who were all very pleasant, and hoped they found their handling satisfactory.
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Well I suppose they had no choice really when they diverted in - it was either Aviance or go to another airport such as BHX.
Anyway it must have been great to see some different tails on the ground - notably EasyJet & Air France !
Anyway it must have been great to see some different tails on the ground - notably EasyJet & Air France !
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Most, if not all of operators in BRS, and probably around the country for that matter, have agreements with handling agents, more so BRS + Aviance because of the diversions seen during the winter.
I don't think its top of the priority list who the handling agent is. Pilots have diversion points and this is determined by many factors, weather, convenience to pax, ability to keep some kind of a schedule, however rarely determined by handling agent!
ANY handling agent, regardless of name, will only cope with the staff numbers present at the time and the current operating schedule of base airline flights.
Yes servisair handled most BRS diversions, but then Aviance handle most LHR diversions, as it seemed last year BA had priority.
The only thing the airlines want is someone (anyone!) to meet the aircraft, assist the pax and crew, and get back on schedule!
I don't think its top of the priority list who the handling agent is. Pilots have diversion points and this is determined by many factors, weather, convenience to pax, ability to keep some kind of a schedule, however rarely determined by handling agent!
ANY handling agent, regardless of name, will only cope with the staff numbers present at the time and the current operating schedule of base airline flights.
Yes servisair handled most BRS diversions, but then Aviance handle most LHR diversions, as it seemed last year BA had priority.
The only thing the airlines want is someone (anyone!) to meet the aircraft, assist the pax and crew, and get back on schedule!
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Indeed, I agree with your last sentence.............
With regards to Aviance handling the LHR diversions, I thought they only looked after BA, if I remember Servisair have handled United, Virgin Atlantic & Delta in the past years.
Aviance only handle BA due to the British Airways Express / Manx Airlines franchise etc all those years back.
Bit odd why Eastern opted for EXT and not CWL - they dont even operate on a regular basis at EXT yet they have daily flights through CWL.....wierd.
With regards to Aviance handling the LHR diversions, I thought they only looked after BA, if I remember Servisair have handled United, Virgin Atlantic & Delta in the past years.
Aviance only handle BA due to the British Airways Express / Manx Airlines franchise etc all those years back.
Bit odd why Eastern opted for EXT and not CWL - they dont even operate on a regular basis at EXT yet they have daily flights through CWL.....wierd.
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on the 9th Eastern did divert to CWL. After a coach journey from BRS that took over 2 hours in the past, T3 tends to decide to opt for EXT. WW tends not to divert to BRS now forthe same reasosn.
On occasions when an airfield is closed for some reason or other, the aircraft in concern will contact the handling agent at destination. Sometimes the standard 20-30 mins out or maybe in the hold.
They will ask the handling agent to contact the airlines operations to see whether.
a) hold at airfield
b) if they can't get in, which airfield they want to divert to.
Operations will then decide what they want the aircraft to do and which airfield to divert to.
in regards to the quoted LHR diversions i believe BA is what was in mind. BA are usually proactive in these circumstances and usually end up with the stands being pre-ordered for them. Plus BA aircraft only allowed on BAMC in these circumstances.
Last winter we saw 5 777's at the same time @ Aviance and managed to deal with that without any problems.
Servisair were always as organised when BRS were out in the past. Looks like Aviance has kept the reputation going which is only a good thing.
On occasions when an airfield is closed for some reason or other, the aircraft in concern will contact the handling agent at destination. Sometimes the standard 20-30 mins out or maybe in the hold.
They will ask the handling agent to contact the airlines operations to see whether.
a) hold at airfield
b) if they can't get in, which airfield they want to divert to.
Operations will then decide what they want the aircraft to do and which airfield to divert to.
in regards to the quoted LHR diversions i believe BA is what was in mind. BA are usually proactive in these circumstances and usually end up with the stands being pre-ordered for them. Plus BA aircraft only allowed on BAMC in these circumstances.
Last winter we saw 5 777's at the same time @ Aviance and managed to deal with that without any problems.
Servisair were always as organised when BRS were out in the past. Looks like Aviance has kept the reputation going which is only a good thing.