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End Prefix Letters
can some user enlighten me to the end prefix letters sometimes displayed on arrival flight board
e.g.
tay305p (p for positioner)?
ww2202f (f for fuel)?
trying to find out what A, C, T, V, stand for?
might be some others I missed, many thanks.
e.g.
tay305p (p for positioner)?
ww2202f (f for fuel)?
trying to find out what A, C, T, V, stand for?
might be some others I missed, many thanks.
P is normally a positioning flight, F a ferry flight, M a maintenance flight, but it depends on the operator.
Because of the growth in flights, and the move away from aircraft registration call-signs to flight numbers, there will often be two or more similar numbers in the system at a given airport at the same time. This has given rise to airlines using a wide range of different formats, such as Wizzair 201G (nnnl), Easy 3QH (nll), Monarch 846 (nnn), Midland 7985 (nnnn). At one time, Britannia used call-signs such as BY123A for a UK outbound leg and BY123B for the inbound. Likewise, Thomas Cook used K and L suffixes. Some airlines always use the same letter (Titan seem to like Y), others vary it according to destination/origin.
In other words, there are no rules!!
Because of the growth in flights, and the move away from aircraft registration call-signs to flight numbers, there will often be two or more similar numbers in the system at a given airport at the same time. This has given rise to airlines using a wide range of different formats, such as Wizzair 201G (nnnl), Easy 3QH (nll), Monarch 846 (nnn), Midland 7985 (nnnn). At one time, Britannia used call-signs such as BY123A for a UK outbound leg and BY123B for the inbound. Likewise, Thomas Cook used K and L suffixes. Some airlines always use the same letter (Titan seem to like Y), others vary it according to destination/origin.
In other words, there are no rules!!
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Also some airlines tower callsigns are different from that of the flight number. I have noticed this with a few operators at the airport.
E.G TOM1234 for airport/pax may be TOM234V to tower.
I'm not sure if this is correct but i had been told it was to do with the Spanish (or some european) airports not being able to use 4 numbers in the same callsign? Therefore 3 numbers and 1 letter is used.
But all airlines tend to use a mix of what LSG has said above
E.G TOM1234 for airport/pax may be TOM234V to tower.
I'm not sure if this is correct but i had been told it was to do with the Spanish (or some european) airports not being able to use 4 numbers in the same callsign? Therefore 3 numbers and 1 letter is used.
But all airlines tend to use a mix of what LSG has said above
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Airport's bi-lingual web
29 February 2008
One of Wales' most-visited websites, Cardiff International Airport's Cwlfly.com website goes bi-lingual on St. David's Day.
By clicking on a flag on the site's home page, users will be able to choose an English or Welsh version of all the airport information pages. These include security advice, destination availability, travel to the airport and more.
Airport managing director Patrick Duffy said: "As Wales' national airport, it is important that we reflect Welsh culture where-ever we can and have been intent on increasing the use of Welsh at the airport, in our publications and on-line."
29 February 2008
One of Wales' most-visited websites, Cardiff International Airport's Cwlfly.com website goes bi-lingual on St. David's Day.
By clicking on a flag on the site's home page, users will be able to choose an English or Welsh version of all the airport information pages. These include security advice, destination availability, travel to the airport and more.
Airport managing director Patrick Duffy said: "As Wales' national airport, it is important that we reflect Welsh culture where-ever we can and have been intent on increasing the use of Welsh at the airport, in our publications and on-line."
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summer timetable
Now that the S08 timetable is out, will the airport be busier than S07? any new routes or destinations added from passenger feedback?
Also, can anyone enlighten us to when bricks, mortar and steelwork are going to be layed/erected at the St. Athan training base?
Also, can anyone enlighten us to when bricks, mortar and steelwork are going to be layed/erected at the St. Athan training base?
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as in movements i'm guessing it will be more with the extra flybe movements and the extra 757 (permantly based compared to the partly based 767) last year. As in passenger figures i would possibly say the same if not slightly less than S07.
As this is a total guess im hoping that im wrong and that PAX figures will increase.
As this is a total guess im hoping that im wrong and that PAX figures will increase.
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Did anyone see the Independent newspaper today? Three page article on green issues and made a big thing of the 60 new routes that are going to be operated from UK airports to Europe this summer. Of those 60 routes, Cardiff's contribution is ONE. Time for the airport management to get their act together and start attracting new airlines and new routes.
Full list of routes is available on www.independent.co.uk/shorthaul
Full list of routes is available on www.independent.co.uk/shorthaul
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Could the airport cope with any more in the summer though, the car parks will be choc-a-block, queues at check-in, vehicles queing on approach road back up to Hol inn roundabout?
Also notice the Echo newspaper has ads in most days for BRS carriers!
Also notice the Echo newspaper has ads in most days for BRS carriers!
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I have to say just looked at the article and it is not very accurate, they show Gdansk but not Warsaw, what about the extra rotations to Jersey, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle and Newquay?
I could possibly see the return to the temp car park situated at the GA parking area (echeo).
No extra parking has been created throughout the winter ready for the summer. If what was said on here is correct, the airport is re-opening the drop off area so this should reduce the queues.
I could possibly see the return to the temp car park situated at the GA parking area (echeo).
No extra parking has been created throughout the winter ready for the summer. If what was said on here is correct, the airport is re-opening the drop off area so this should reduce the queues.
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Has Warsaw - Cardiff been operated previosuly?
There is a trend that over 60% of those routes listed are either Easy Jet, Ryanair & Flybe have bases. This is where Cardiff has lost out not having one of these major carriers based.
There is a trend that over 60% of those routes listed are either Easy Jet, Ryanair & Flybe have bases. This is where Cardiff has lost out not having one of these major carriers based.
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The routes listed in the Independent article are those routes that are due to start with the summer 08 season. CWL -Warsaw started a few weeks ago and the Skybus CWL - Newquay starts on the 10th March so neither were listed. If as reported above, the airport is going to be at or about capacty at certain times and days this summer how will the management cope if the airline that cannot be named does eventually get off the ground? Do they have plans to deal with any extra capacity? I see from the Bristol thread that BRS management are taking steps to address their capacity problems.
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Only quick fix for this problem is to have check-in desk for all destinations per airline. This can reduce the amount of desks per airline, a long term fix maybe to re-locate the Thomson desk and knock down the Travel City desk and the disused (old) thomas cook desk. However very limited space due to the Servisair desk and the Lifts. It would be interesting to see what they can come up with.
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Could anyone help about the Irish airlift. How many extra planes/ charters are going over for Wales to play at Croke park?
Also, when France come over, am I right in saying about 8-9 extra planes coming in but does anyone know pax load/ arrival times etc. please?
Perhaps the flag poles will fly some colour out the front to greet everyone!
Also, when France come over, am I right in saying about 8-9 extra planes coming in but does anyone know pax load/ arrival times etc. please?
Perhaps the flag poles will fly some colour out the front to greet everyone!
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There will be a lot of extra flights for the Irish and French RBS six nations matches. I'm not sure of the expected passenger figure but i will try and find out the exact flights for you tomorrow when i'm back in work. There will be some aircraft operating two or three shuttles.
I have noticed the tarmac being painted for the bus lane outside the terminal. Will it be a similar layout and system as previous (before Glasgow Bombing) or is it to change?
I have noticed the tarmac being painted for the bus lane outside the terminal. Will it be a similar layout and system as previous (before Glasgow Bombing) or is it to change?
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Holiday flights flourish but none fly to business hotspot
Mar 4 2008 by Rhodri Clark, Western Mail
THE number of people flying from South Wales to France fell by two thirds in two years, according to official statistics.
That knocked France out of the top 10 international destinations from Cardiff airport – and below Portugal, Turkey, Cyprus, the Czech Republic and the US.
Spain continued to dominate the airport’s international business, the Welsh Assembly Government’s 2007 digest of air transport statistics has revealed.
But the figures yesterday led to warnings that a lack of routes between Wales and Germany is hampering business links. Nobody travelled between Cardiff airport and Germany in 2006, the latest year in the figures.
In 2006, Cardiff airport handled 1.6 million international passengers. Half travelled to or from Spain and the Canary Islands.
Charter flights to Spain declined but were replaced by scheduled flights – reflecting the popularity of booking flights and accommodation over the internet.
Peter Phillips, Cardiff airport’s head of marketing, said Spain dominated other UK airports.
“Low-cost airlines are going further now. When they started off, they were only going to Paris and Amsterdam.”
The Assembly Government’s figures show that from 2004 to 2006, passengers on scheduled flights between Cardiff and France dropped from 80,224 to 13,287. Charter flights grew strongly in response, but combined figures for charter and scheduled flights to France show a decline from 82,074 to 26,015 passengers.
Mr Phillips said the figures reflected changes to services rather than the Welsh public’s appetite for visiting France. Low-cost operator BMIbaby had handed the Paris route to Air Wales, which stopped operating it in 2006.
Travel to and from Ireland – down 20% in 2006 from 2005 – was affected by similar changes, after Ryanair withdrew.
“Now we’re seeing that France is booming,” said Mr Phillips.
“Flybe fly twice a day to Paris. Aer Arann fly to Nantes in the summer, serving the holiday-home market.”
Martin Evans, external research fellow at the Wales Transport Research Centre, said BMIbaby had decided the aircraft on its Cardiff-Paris route would make more money elsewhere, and Air Wales had used a smaller plane.
“I’m told that Flybe are happy with the numbers using the service now,” said Mr Evans. “We will have some stability on the route and it will grow from here.”
Stacey Hartery, of South Wales travel agency Travel House, said people in the region rarely wanted flights to France for their main holiday.
“We do a lot of Disneyland breaks. We haven’t done so many city breaks in Paris,” said Miss Hartery, manager of the company’s branch in Clydach, Swansea. “A few might want a chalet for a ski holiday in France, but it’s very few.”
The trade was dominated by traditional Spanish favourites including the Balearic Islands, Costa del Sol and Benidorm.
The Assembly Government statistics show a correlation between international flights from Cardiff and areas popular for holidays or second homes, with Bulgaria going from zero passengers in 2000 to 24,731 in 2006.
The main exception is the Netherlands, which has seen continuous growth because of the 400 destinations accessible via connecting flights from Schiphol, near Amsterdam. Mr Evans said, “Whereas we’re quite happy to travel two or three hours to access an airport, we like the destination airport to be as near to our final destination as possible. Therefore, if you have to arrive from Germany at an airport in England, it makes Wales seem very remote.”
I dont really know what to think of this i mean its good that holiday flights are doing well, but its very depressing the amount of buisness flights we have.
Mar 4 2008 by Rhodri Clark, Western Mail
THE number of people flying from South Wales to France fell by two thirds in two years, according to official statistics.
That knocked France out of the top 10 international destinations from Cardiff airport – and below Portugal, Turkey, Cyprus, the Czech Republic and the US.
Spain continued to dominate the airport’s international business, the Welsh Assembly Government’s 2007 digest of air transport statistics has revealed.
But the figures yesterday led to warnings that a lack of routes between Wales and Germany is hampering business links. Nobody travelled between Cardiff airport and Germany in 2006, the latest year in the figures.
In 2006, Cardiff airport handled 1.6 million international passengers. Half travelled to or from Spain and the Canary Islands.
Charter flights to Spain declined but were replaced by scheduled flights – reflecting the popularity of booking flights and accommodation over the internet.
Peter Phillips, Cardiff airport’s head of marketing, said Spain dominated other UK airports.
“Low-cost airlines are going further now. When they started off, they were only going to Paris and Amsterdam.”
The Assembly Government’s figures show that from 2004 to 2006, passengers on scheduled flights between Cardiff and France dropped from 80,224 to 13,287. Charter flights grew strongly in response, but combined figures for charter and scheduled flights to France show a decline from 82,074 to 26,015 passengers.
Mr Phillips said the figures reflected changes to services rather than the Welsh public’s appetite for visiting France. Low-cost operator BMIbaby had handed the Paris route to Air Wales, which stopped operating it in 2006.
Travel to and from Ireland – down 20% in 2006 from 2005 – was affected by similar changes, after Ryanair withdrew.
“Now we’re seeing that France is booming,” said Mr Phillips.
“Flybe fly twice a day to Paris. Aer Arann fly to Nantes in the summer, serving the holiday-home market.”
Martin Evans, external research fellow at the Wales Transport Research Centre, said BMIbaby had decided the aircraft on its Cardiff-Paris route would make more money elsewhere, and Air Wales had used a smaller plane.
“I’m told that Flybe are happy with the numbers using the service now,” said Mr Evans. “We will have some stability on the route and it will grow from here.”
Stacey Hartery, of South Wales travel agency Travel House, said people in the region rarely wanted flights to France for their main holiday.
“We do a lot of Disneyland breaks. We haven’t done so many city breaks in Paris,” said Miss Hartery, manager of the company’s branch in Clydach, Swansea. “A few might want a chalet for a ski holiday in France, but it’s very few.”
The trade was dominated by traditional Spanish favourites including the Balearic Islands, Costa del Sol and Benidorm.
The Assembly Government statistics show a correlation between international flights from Cardiff and areas popular for holidays or second homes, with Bulgaria going from zero passengers in 2000 to 24,731 in 2006.
The main exception is the Netherlands, which has seen continuous growth because of the 400 destinations accessible via connecting flights from Schiphol, near Amsterdam. Mr Evans said, “Whereas we’re quite happy to travel two or three hours to access an airport, we like the destination airport to be as near to our final destination as possible. Therefore, if you have to arrive from Germany at an airport in England, it makes Wales seem very remote.”
I dont really know what to think of this i mean its good that holiday flights are doing well, but its very depressing the amount of buisness flights we have.
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Users on this forum have been going on about this for a while and only now the airport is really looking into it.
Question that need to be asked is how the airport is going to resolve this problem.
However i disagree with the title as it states none fly to bsuiness hotspots. We have GLA, CDG, EDI, NCL, BFS, BHD. We obviously do need and increased business route network and hope that this can be resolved for 2009.
I have been looking at the figures on youwouldifyoucould. It is very difficult to calculate the amount of people that have completed (as it doesn't state any figures on the graphs).
Top 10 destinations that those completed the Questionaire (only two are served from CWL).
Top 10 Airlines that those completed the Questionaire (only 3 are operating from CWL).
We really do need to resolve this issue sooner rather than later. Increased transport links will have to be provided also to help achieve this.
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