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I assume BA are re starting these Saudia routes to eliminate the competition..... ie BD. I fail to believe that 3 carriers can support a profitable service to the Kingdom. It kind of puts the quitting of the MAN longhaul into perspective really.
Do carriers in general go out of there way to out do each other on routes out of LHR at the expense of regional airports or is there more to this. I fail to see the logic in this
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I assume BA are re starting these Saudia routes to eliminate the competition..... ie BD. I fail to believe that 3 carriers can support a profitable service to the Kingdom. It kind of puts the quitting of the MAN longhaul into perspective really.
Do carriers in general go out of there way to out do each other on routes out of LHR at the expense of regional airports or is there more to this. I fail to see the logic in this
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In short 'yes'. RSA is one of the few bright spots on th BA radar. That said the loser might well be Saudi airways. I would not be suprised to see a futher reduction of GLA/EDI/LHR/LGW flights also with the alternative being LCY. This too would free up the slots for longhaul routes to those countrys that are on the up? Anyone any ideas on this as I might benfit from a staff suggestion bonus.
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Iberia Merger Negotiations
I would imagine that as the value of sterling against the euro continues to slide, with parity being not that far away
, it must be increasingly difficult for BA to "hold the line" in terms of the "British" percentage of a merged company. (Perhaps it doesn't work this way, in which case I stand corrected.)
The share price rise after the Qantas negotiations became public knowledge would have helped, though....
, it must be increasingly difficult for BA to "hold the line" in terms of the "British" percentage of a merged company. (Perhaps it doesn't work this way, in which case I stand corrected.)The share price rise after the Qantas negotiations became public knowledge would have helped, though....
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Be assured that this is merely the start. Within 2 years the station will be treated as an outstation with a shift manager and a few support staff. There are a lot more BA jobs still to go.
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Man the lifeboats...
flybe will take over LGW UK Domestics in the near-mid term
BA will further reduce their capacity at LGW, and beef-up T5 services
BA running scared now. LHR under attack from AF/KL/LH and anyone else with an aircraft who wants to fly into/out of LHR.
Mergers? AA - ongoing pantomine, IB - They are not daft..., QF - Strange one but true. WHOS NEXT?
Openskies - Basically an expensive 'project' that isnt finished, has been put on hold for expansion and will probably not survive the term...
LCY-JFK - Yet another idea plucked from the sky above Waterworld... Imagine it now. Captains only approach, long night over the pond and then a demanding approach etc etc... Only 2 acft... Crews pulled from mainline... Recency checks and the rest...
** BA cant get Cityflyer right never mind another 'Prestigious Service' going wrong...
Whats the next idea Willie? Do tell!
flybe will take over LGW UK Domestics in the near-mid term
BA will further reduce their capacity at LGW, and beef-up T5 services
BA running scared now. LHR under attack from AF/KL/LH and anyone else with an aircraft who wants to fly into/out of LHR.
Mergers? AA - ongoing pantomine, IB - They are not daft..., QF - Strange one but true. WHOS NEXT?
Openskies - Basically an expensive 'project' that isnt finished, has been put on hold for expansion and will probably not survive the term...
LCY-JFK - Yet another idea plucked from the sky above Waterworld... Imagine it now. Captains only approach, long night over the pond and then a demanding approach etc etc... Only 2 acft... Crews pulled from mainline... Recency checks and the rest...
** BA cant get Cityflyer right never mind another 'Prestigious Service' going wrong...
Whats the next idea Willie? Do tell!
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LHR needs to be protected in the short term until a new runway is built and serious expansion can be done. It is obvious that many of the slots will go BAs way WHEN the 3rd runway is up and running as it is the predominant carrier at the airport. They cannot let ground fall at it's flagship base. LGW is obviously not a priority as other airlines are pulling out aswell. You may argue that that makes it a good opportunity for BA to capitalise on the falling number of carriers at Gatwick but they have LHR to concentrate on which is their bread and butter. Imagine Cristiano Ronaldo without the skills - the same as what BA would be without it's LHR strength. It is it's manhood - and not even the biggest BA hater would want WW to lose his manhood!
The BA/AA/IB/QS saga. It does seem quite large yet what about LH? Spending more money than Victoria Beckham in a plastic surgean practice! They are taking over more of Europe than Napolean: BMI, SNBrussels, Swiss, maybe SAS, Alitalia interest etc. etc. I know the BA saga is quite a bit bigger but if we are looking at the number of carriers, which from silverstreaks comment he looks like he is saying - look a couple of hours East in Frankfurt.
The Openskies programme is a funny one. 18 months ago it seemed like a good move by BA but obviously as we have lost Maxjet, Silverjet and EOS it looks less of a good idea. They have strengthend their product with l'Avion and I personally think they have a good chanc eof making it work. Unlike the other carriers with the same idea, they have a big company to back them who want to see a return from their investment plus a supple of 757s. They do have a good chance if they can survive the next 24 months until we start to see a recovery in the cycle.
LCY operation is surely a great decision by the BA management from a consumers point of view. Obviously, we in Britain are natural complainers and more experienced in strikes than we are world championships so there are always going to be problems between staff and bosses. Surely this will open up LCY to other destinations across the West, Middle East and Africa and be very lucrative for BA.
The Cityflyer programme is something that needs to be worked on, but again it is a necessity for BA. They cannot let AF/KL get an even bigger grip on the port as it is the financial capital of the world and it needs British influence.
WW needs to keep at it. They seem to be doing something very similar to the Spanish financial institution Banco Santander who are trying to merge and buy as much as their bank balances will let them to get into the strongest position possible both during this rough period but also as the world economy starts to recover to get into the strongest position.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say BA will join a group of other airlines:
The BA/AA/IB/QS saga. It does seem quite large yet what about LH? Spending more money than Victoria Beckham in a plastic surgean practice! They are taking over more of Europe than Napolean: BMI, SNBrussels, Swiss, maybe SAS, Alitalia interest etc. etc. I know the BA saga is quite a bit bigger but if we are looking at the number of carriers, which from silverstreaks comment he looks like he is saying - look a couple of hours East in Frankfurt.
The Openskies programme is a funny one. 18 months ago it seemed like a good move by BA but obviously as we have lost Maxjet, Silverjet and EOS it looks less of a good idea. They have strengthend their product with l'Avion and I personally think they have a good chanc eof making it work. Unlike the other carriers with the same idea, they have a big company to back them who want to see a return from their investment plus a supple of 757s. They do have a good chance if they can survive the next 24 months until we start to see a recovery in the cycle.
LCY operation is surely a great decision by the BA management from a consumers point of view. Obviously, we in Britain are natural complainers and more experienced in strikes than we are world championships so there are always going to be problems between staff and bosses. Surely this will open up LCY to other destinations across the West, Middle East and Africa and be very lucrative for BA.
The Cityflyer programme is something that needs to be worked on, but again it is a necessity for BA. They cannot let AF/KL get an even bigger grip on the port as it is the financial capital of the world and it needs British influence.
WW needs to keep at it. They seem to be doing something very similar to the Spanish financial institution Banco Santander who are trying to merge and buy as much as their bank balances will let them to get into the strongest position possible both during this rough period but also as the world economy starts to recover to get into the strongest position.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say BA will join a group of other airlines:
- Singapore airlines
- Lufthansa
- Emirates
- Air France/KLM
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silverstreak people might take you more seriously if you didn't punctuate with so many happy cartoon types. You seem to be rejoicing in the fact that good people are about to lose their jobs.
Incidentally the flybe rumour that they are getting the BA LGW domestics appears to be....er untrue. Dearie me.
Incidentally the flybe rumour that they are getting the BA LGW domestics appears to be....er untrue. Dearie me.
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It does seem quite large yet what about LH? Spending more money than Victoria Beckham in a plastic surgean practice! They are taking over more of Europe than Napolean: BMI, SNBrussels, Swiss, maybe SAS, Alitalia interest etc. etc. I know the BA saga is quite a bit bigger but if we are looking at the number of carriers, which from silverstreaks comment he looks like he is saying - look a couple of hours East in Frankfurt.
Long-haul is the backbone of BA's business and I think it is better for BA to focus on what WW calls "transformational" deals with IB and QF which will bolster its long-haul network (that's not to say these deals aren't without risk - BA could end up with nothing), rather than buy what are small players in Europe when Europe continues to move to the LCC model in short-haul and high speed rail continues to grow in mainland Europe.
Also, as someone who has experienced immigration at JFK T7, LCY-JFK with immigration pre-clearance at SNN is a masterstroke. BA's corporate clients are very supportive of this.
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Also, as someone who has experienced immigration at JFK T7, LCY-JFK with immigration pre-clearance at SNN is a masterstroke. BA's corporate clients are very supportive of this.
Could I make the assumption that businessmen in Amsterdam and Paris may travel to LCY and then on to NYC to avoid customs?
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The whole BA merger saga
I have just one question about the BA saga at the moment:
If BA are to merge with Iberia and Qantas plus the deal with AA, would this put them ahead of DL/NW and make them the largest airline on the planet?
I am not 100% sure about the AA deal whether it means a merger or just a deal between the two airlines?
Sorry...thats two questions!
If BA are to merge with Iberia and Qantas plus the deal with AA, would this put them ahead of DL/NW and make them the largest airline on the planet?
I am not 100% sure about the AA deal whether it means a merger or just a deal between the two airlines?
Sorry...thats two questions!
LHR needs to be protected in the short term until a new runway is built and serious expansion can be done. It is obvious that many of the slots will go BAs way WHEN the 3rd runway is up and running as it is the predominant carrier at the airport. They cannot let ground fall at it's flagship base.
How many new slots would be available ?
Even assumming they were sold on basis of existing slots held then is there really demand for another 5-6 daily flights to CDG for AF/KLM or 5-6 flights to FRA or another 5-6 flights to Dub.
Answer is probably NO so then these carriers could then open up more flights to wherever they wanted with the likelihood of Silverjet type operations creaming off the business passengers.
If this is the BA strategy in relation to LHR then its fraught with risk as it would open up the airport to lots more carriers who could run whatever service they wanted and basically destroy BA's premium income.
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Surely this will open up LCY to other destinations across the West, Middle East and Africa and be very lucrative for BA
By what metric does Singapore make the top five? They might be the best at a lot but they're not what you're getting at here.
Could I make the assumption that businessmen in Amsterdam and Paris may travel to LCY and then on to NYC to avoid customs?
They cannot let AF/KL get an even bigger grip on the port as it is the financial capital of the world
They do have a good chance if they can survive the next 24 months until we start to see a recovery in the cycle.
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I am guessing Skipness you are not in business, and if you are I apologise but surely you can't be serious? If we all adopted your thinking we would not have a clue what is going to happen next week!
In business you always need to be one step ahead and really use all your resources during a recession and hopefully get into a position for a recovery which I mentioned above.
Canary Warf may not be firing on all cylinders at the moment, but it isn't going anywhere. At the time BA are looking to grow at the airport next year we will be hopefully starting to see abit of sunshine within the industry.
Maybe the LCY transit is abit too far with the stop in SNN but I would much prefer the service on BA than AF/DL to be honest, but that is just personal preference.
Which is what they have already started to do!
And if you are comparing BA service to that of KLM and EI there is no contest. Premium would stick with BA all the way unless there was a HUGE financial saving which at LHR are few and far between.
SQ may not be the biggest airline but they are growing and have arguably the best 'street cred' at the moment which will only work in their favour.
BA are doing well and are I predict are one of the airlines to be in the best position come the turn of the next decade.
In business you always need to be one step ahead and really use all your resources during a recession and hopefully get into a position for a recovery which I mentioned above.
Canary Warf may not be firing on all cylinders at the moment, but it isn't going anywhere. At the time BA are looking to grow at the airport next year we will be hopefully starting to see abit of sunshine within the industry.
Maybe the LCY transit is abit too far with the stop in SNN but I would much prefer the service on BA than AF/DL to be honest, but that is just personal preference.
Even assumming they were sold on basis of existing slots held then is there really demand for another 5-6 daily flights to CDG for AF/KLM or 5-6 flights to FRA or another 5-6 flights to Dub.
And if you are comparing BA service to that of KLM and EI there is no contest. Premium would stick with BA all the way unless there was a HUGE financial saving which at LHR are few and far between.SQ may not be the biggest airline but they are growing and have arguably the best 'street cred' at the moment which will only work in their favour.
BA are doing well and are I predict are one of the airlines to be in the best position come the turn of the next decade.
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BA running scared now. LHR under attack from AF/KL/LH and anyone else with an aircraft who wants to fly into/out of LHR.
Which is what they have already started to do!
And if you are comparing BA service to that of KLM and EI there is no contest. Premium would stick with BA all the way unless there was a HUGE financial saving which at LHR are few and far between.
And if you are comparing BA service to that of KLM and EI there is no contest. Premium would stick with BA all the way unless there was a HUGE financial saving which at LHR are few and far between.
Assumming BA and everybody else get slots in proportion to existing slots then AF/KLM, LH and everybody else will significantly increase number of slots that they have. Ok thats stating the obvious
If AF/KLM OR LH get new slots will they be used for inter european routes ?
Highly unlikely as simply not worth it and PAX numbers not going to grow by that much. Hence you have lots of airlines with slots which are not huge profit benefit by using on existing routes so they will look to expand other routes they are not serving from LHR.
100% premium service from LHR to US or other good BA premium routes starts to hit BA quite hard especially as you can afford to be generous as its all new and you are forcing BA prices significantly downwards.
There is a huge revenue risk to BA and BA premium service may be better but paying 40% of BA cost changes lots of peoples perspectives.
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MUFC_fan about 50% of my clients WORK at Canary Wharf and the their businesses are looking to get through the next 12 months. Leahmon Brothers has gone, Citigroup is wavering and RBS is in a very bad way. There has been NO Business Class tavel permitted for us in Q4 and it's looking like belts will be seriously tightened next year.
Your post is a dream fantasy at the moment, not a serious business plan. If things remain as they are or God forbid get worse, the LCY-JFK will not run.
I know you're not in business as your defining metric of the company was er....
Right....
The BA premium product at LCY is on an RJ100, with the smallest and least comfortable seats. There IS a future for BA Cityflyer at LCY if they get some capital investment, even that's not gauranteed. Whether BA Mainline ever fly from docklands we shall see....
Your post is a dream fantasy at the moment, not a serious business plan. If things remain as they are or God forbid get worse, the LCY-JFK will not run.
I know you're not in business as your defining metric of the company was er....
street cred
The BA premium product at LCY is on an RJ100, with the smallest and least comfortable seats. There IS a future for BA Cityflyer at LCY if they get some capital investment, even that's not gauranteed. Whether BA Mainline ever fly from docklands we shall see....
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No one is gleeful of staff being made redundant. Far from it. Been there - done it...
BA have been too arrogant for too long. Openskies agreement is confirming it. Plain and simple. BA are in a very sticky position with their Home Base - LHR, under attack from all and sundry - FACT.
The partial retreat from LGW is only the start, but what else BA can do to shore up the front line is anyones guess... T5 certainly looks like a sitting duck. Mergers only partly solve the issues BA are experiencing.
PS - the cartoons were there on a lighter note... Chin up SKIP - Not Bah humbug eh
No one is gleeful of staff being made redundant. Far from it. Been there - done it...
BA have been too arrogant for too long. Openskies agreement is confirming it. Plain and simple. BA are in a very sticky position with their Home Base - LHR, under attack from all and sundry - FACT.
The partial retreat from LGW is only the start, but what else BA can do to shore up the front line is anyones guess... T5 certainly looks like a sitting duck. Mergers only partly solve the issues BA are experiencing.
PS - the cartoons were there on a lighter note... Chin up SKIP - Not Bah humbug eh
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How long before 3rd Runway is operational ? 5 years ? More ?