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Old 12th Sep 2008, 08:52
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Isn't BA the Worlds most profitable airline?

If BA's in the doo-doo, so are all the other airlines............

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rofl lol so true
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 08:56
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Red face

"2.6 millions sterling"

It is amazings thats someones whose firsts language is obviously nots English has such detailed informations.

HZ123 - Your post is worthy of the "Dirty Tricks Award 2008".

BA has never been in better shape (and I am one of BA's serial whingers). The market is quite obviously consolidating (deepest sympathies to those who flew for Silverjet, XL etc). As the seats 'available' decrease, the future of those who remain improves.

I expect to fly empty aircraft in November but that was always the case in the good times. (Perhaps when BAA are told that their 'use it or lose it' slot policy is illegal we shall see a more appropriate use of resources by all airlines in the UK)
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 08:56
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BA Managers

And what exactly do these Mangers do in British Airways?

1,400 British Airways managers offered voluntary redundancy as global downturn forces cut in wages bill | Mail Online
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:01
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not so much 'last man standing' as 'last tail flying'!

There'll be more go before BA gets close to the precipice me thinks!
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:03
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Originally Posted by copeland1957
What I cannot understand is the FF benefit is you are only supposed to have to pay the cost of the taxes, charges, etc for the flight. But looking at the example I mentioned, the charge is about £19 greater than the cost of taxes, fees on the regular full price flight.
You're right, it does look like there is something wrong there. But I'm not sure it's "sneaky", rather that there is a website bug.

The TFC being quoted for the economy award ticket are the same as for a business award ticket and for a business cash ticket. I believe that the TFC for the economy award ticket ought to be the same as for an economy cash ticket (ie £127.60, not £145.60).

If you try to price the itinerary starting from London, you will get the TFC quoted properly for an economy award ticket - it's the same as for an economy cash ticket (£75.40). You only pay the business class level of TFC (£93.40) for either a business award ticket or a business cash ticket.

So this is why I think that the problem is probably a website bug.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:06
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"And what exactly do these Mangers do in British Airways?"

The same as they have done for years...

F**k all!

Still trying to work out what goes on at Waterworld.....
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:09
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This whole XL incident has given me the wake up call I very much needed.

I now relaise just how lucky I am to be working for BA.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:16
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I'm afraid that kind of business logic went out in the 70s. BA are a private business and the government would let it go under without compunction. The idea that those wishing to invest in the UK would be deterred by the absence of a state funded safety net strikes me as rather peculiar. Nationalising a bank to prevent a wholesale breakdown of the banking industry is not the same as bailing out an airline.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:17
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?

How many 'British' airports are served by BA
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:19
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LHR, LGW, MAN, NCL, EDI, GLA, ABZ and until recently NQY.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:21
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certainly not one of the BAsexuals on here
What's one of those?
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:21
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I wish I could agree with you but following 9/11 the government made it painfully clear to BA that they were on their own. I don't believe anything's changed since then.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:31
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Guess they are not interested in the regions, or the second city, or the industrial areas of the Midlands then?

'British' should be dropped from the title, it is 'Airways'
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Yawn yawn. I suppose Manchester, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen don't count as regions then? It's a tired and baseless argument boredcounter and it doesn't stand economic scrutiny. Maybe you should fly with Virgin instead as they serve all those airports so well.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:36
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The severance and redundancy is for management grades
and the offer to Pilots of unpaid leave over winter should help.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 09:45
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If the combination of BA & Iberia go under (unlikely, IMHO) then there's not much future for the rest of aviation, given that those airlines have two of the better balance sheets in the industry...

I see hard times ahead and consolidation in a contracting market but there are still lots of people left who need (or can afford) to travel. Many of the the more marginal operations will fold and/or be taken over which will reduce the pressure on the European majors. BA clearing out its middle management now is a sign of determination to survive (don't worry, they'll grow back later ).

Many of those companies now teetering on the edge expanded in an era of cheap fuel, cheap credit and high discretionary spending. All these factors have gone for the time being, leaving the market to decide on things like routes, connections, service, reliability and whether or not the airline will still be there when it comes to use the ticket...
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 10:01
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If BA go under then the whole industry is stuffed, with one of the best balance sheets around including a sizeable pot of money most other airlines would be long gone before BA actually have to close their doors. Love them or hate them they will be around for a while.
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 10:03
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Yeah, guess your right there, only worked with BA for 11 years, saw BA Regional run into the ground in BHX, saw a bloody good franchise screwed up and 'robbed' of pax to support 'Fortress LHR'

Still, if the China cash wants to go to NQY on this small Island of mine, BA can fly them there. Or LBA for Leeds, or Derby for RR, what does BA offer that any other Airline can't
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Old 12th Sep 2008, 10:13
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... British airports served by BA ...

Yeah, you know your airports, but any airport outside LHR in the UK and its a flight only - no BA ground staff, and as the months go by, reductions for the winter AND who knows about LGW domestic services...

Think really, being honest GUV, BA should drop the B and add an L for London. NO interest outside of T5

Its also true what they say... THE BIGGER YOU ARE, THE HARDER YOU FALL... Smaller outfits are failing, so dont think for one minute BA isnt hurting - or is imune to financial ruin.
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