British Airways - 2

[BALHR]

Dude, what are you smoking?

Seriously?

[SWBKCB]

this would mean IB withdraws services from MAD to LATAM hubs

and the benefit to IB of doing this would be??

[BALHR]

and the benefit to IB of doing this would be??

Remember it is just IB that is affected by this, you have to look at this overall in terms of IAG/LATAM/OW, LATAM can have free regin on routes from their hubs to MAD and other European destinations, while BA can launch routes from LHR to LATAM hubs using IB slots at those airports (Latin America is poorlly served from the UK)

Or to prevent IB from cutting service to Latin America, maybe LATAM can agree with IAG that flights to and from LATAM hubs-LHR/LGW/MAD/BCN are to be served (for OW) BA/IB, in return LATAM gets to serve the rest of Europe from their hubs

[Skipness One Echo]

Please register with another username. You most certainly don't speak for BA.

[BALHR]

Please register with another username. You most certainly don't speak for BA.

Would you mind telling me how I can do that?

[Currock Base]

British Airways (person not the airline) - Please re register under a different name.

What you are suggesting regarding co-operation to South America is illegal under competition law unless you have anti trust immunity.

You really don't want to get caught up in this.

[TopBunk]

Brasília International Airport

Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez International Airport

El Dorado International Airport

Jorge Chávez International Airport

José Joaquín de Olmedo International Airport

Mariscal Sucre International Airport

Salvador-Deputado Luís Eduardo Magalhăes International

Salgado Filho International Airport

Silvio Pettirossi International Airport

Recife/Guararapes-Gilberto Freyre International Airport

For heavens sake, we get it that they are all international airports - no need to mention it against each airport. If they weren't international they wouldn't be served, would they?

Secondly, nobody (well ok, very few) knows it as "Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez". I go0gled it and found out you meant Santiago, Chile (SCL) - why don't you just use that name?

I can work out Brasilia and Recife, but as for the rest - haven't a clue and can't be bothered to find out, as I doubt can many others, so it's unlikely to result in many positive responses.

As for the comment about your smoking habits, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you are young and probably mean well, but you just come across as an idiot.

As to how to register as a different user name, well, you seem to have managed to register originally. Just re-register with a different name using the same procedure. In fact, (see Racedo's post below), you maybe would prefer no-one to see your posting history

[racedo]

Would you mind telling me how I can do that?

Sent a message to CleeIB who posted the stickie at the top of this forum on anonymity as he/she should be able to help and means you don't lose your history. It avoids setting up a new account which could get flagged up as having 2 accounts if they use IP address software in relation to people having multiple accounts.

[DaveReidUK]

Sent a message to CleeIB who posted the stickie at the top of this forum on anonymity as he/she should be able to help and means you don't lose your history.

He wouldn't have had any history to lose if he'd taken the hint after making his second post:

Sorry, I have nothing to do with BA

instead of carrying on with another 60-odd posts posing as the World's Favourite Airline.

[Aero Mad]

Quote:
Sent a message to CleeIB who posted the stickie at the top of this forum on anonymity as he/she should be able to help and means you don't lose your history.
He wouldn't have had any history to lose if he'd taken the hint after making his second post:

Quote:
Sorry, I have nothing to do with BA
instead of carrying on with another 60-odd posts posing as the World's Favourite Airline.

For heaven's sake, lay off a little - he'll learn without the finger waggling.

[Calmcavok]

Maybe not the most erudite reply, but your ideas are fantastical! I don't want to deconstruct your entire post, but think about what BA could offer the smaller South American hubs (and Recife is tiny) that the largest Spanish carrier in Europe cannot? Not too much I would suggest.

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: “All of these are LATAM hubs, what I am suggesting that IAG and LATAM should agree that LATAM serves Mainland-Europe/Ireland from LATAM and BA serves those hubs from the UK, this would mean IB withdraws services from MAD to LATAM hubs (although it would still codeshare LATAM flights to MAD and if launched BCN)”

Why? It would be nice to have BA on these routes to/from LHR, as it’s very “light” on South America routes (just three), but why would LA/JJ and IB agree to this?

In particular, why would IB agree? Without South America, there’s not much IB longhaul left! For IB it would probably be the equivelant of BA abandoning North America!

Quote: “What I don't get is why China still has a problem with Airlines in Europe (currently KLM only) in serving Taiwan under their own name (on the basis of the fact they are "symbols/arms of the state"), when they don't apply to American, Japanese, South East Asian, Korean and their own carriers (a fair number of which are state owned)”

IIRC, BA’s TPE route was chopped in the downturn that followed the 11th September 2001. Could be wrong, but don’t think there’s anything political or diplomatic in this. Also don’t think the route will will return purely because transferring at HKG onto CX is so easy. As for TPE non-stops, could LHR slots be better deployed elsewhere?

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank

As for TPE non-stops, could LHR slots be better deployed elsewhere?

So what ARE the "better elsewhere" routes for BA out of LHR, now they have all the BMI slots to play with ? To me it seems that all the good opportunities have in fact been adequately served for many years, and what is currently unserved is just on the margins. The best that can be said about the BMI purchase is that it has stopped OTHERS from getting slots.

[wiggy]

So what ARE the "better elsewhere" routes for BA out of LHR

Far East - I'm sure one or two additional destinations in China are being considered

[Aksai Oiler]

When I was at the Customer Services desk in T5 First, a few days ago, a member of staff mentioned MEL, BNE and PER, not sure how much wishful thinking this was ?

[Aero Mad]

Given the limited size of demand for UK-Australasia flights, I wouldn't put my money on that unless they want to expand into that market following Qantas' cutting of links with BA - but it seems highly unlikely.

[Mr Mac]

Given the amount of traffic EK and others have taken from the regions outside M25 on that route, I would think further Australia flights a dead duck for BA.

[wiggy]

a member of staff mentioned MEL, BNE and PER, not sure how much wishful thinking this was ?

Maybe they were indulging in a bit of nostalgia, since once upon a time BA served all of those. PER has cropped up recently in rumours surrounding possible 787 destination but IMHO there's not a snowballs chance in hell that you'll see BA back to any of those places anytime in the future. I suspect BA are only continuing to serve SYD because of the termination of the Joint Service Agreement with QF.

[Omnipresent]

So what ARE the "better elsewhere" routes for BA out of LHR, now they have all the BMI slots to play with ? To me it seems that all the good opportunities have in fact been adequately served for many years, and what is currently unserved is just on the margins. The best that can be said about the BMI purchase is that it has stopped OTHERS from getting slots.

That's true to an extent. But IAG and BA have been very clear that partnerships are the way forward for developing new routes. San Diego is a prime example. BA had struggled with this route historically but the extra support of AA's frequent flyer base in the region has made the relaunch of this route a great success. The joint-venture with JAL is in its early stages but already the codesharing is boosting the Tokyo routes and helping BA in a local market that is not easy for a European business.

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "So what ARE the "better elsewhere" routes for BA out of LHR, now they have all the BMI slots to play with ? To me it seems that all the good opportunities have in fact been adequately served for many years, and what is currently unserved is just on the margins. The best that can be said about the BMI purchase is that it has stopped OTHERS from getting slots."

To an extent that is possibly true, BA has to "guard the hub" and look to the future. Certainly have no objections to a BA nonstop TPE (or as a HKG add-on as before) in principle, but would not expect it to be at the top of any wish list, precisely because of the easy transfer at HKG with CX.

Looking over the longer term, a better use of the slots could be: SGN, especially if it's up and running before VN move from LGW to LHR-4; JKT; SCL; LIM; increased frequencies to MEX, PVG, PEK, GRU, GIG; other cities in China, Brazil; cities in many other up and coming parts of Asia, South America and Africa; plus more domestic feeder links to help ensure the viability of some of these new routes (the hub principle).