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Ryanair? Sneaky? Never. The airlines alleged practices would rouge the cheeks of the mafiosi. Of course they're recouping (sneaky or otherwise), they are a business who happen to have a few hundred aircraft versus a business which has a few hundred buses, trucks or sardine packing machines.
They're not a 'real' airline. We will look back someday on their 'run' with misty eyes (and pinched pockets).
They're not a 'real' airline. We will look back someday on their 'run' with misty eyes (and pinched pockets).
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Raising check-in and baggage charges have nothing to do with lower fares, less bags mean less staff ( FR have already cut their turnaround crews from 4 baggage handlers and a dispatcher to 3 baggage handlers and a dispatcher ) less people checking in means less check-in staff. People will lose their jobs its already happening FR won't tell you this but they will charge you for it
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Could someone explain the following to me? i.e. taxes and charges.
If I book a flight 2 weeks in advance, i generally get the flight for 1 cent and the taxes are 9.99 HOWEVER if i book the flight less than 2 weeks, the fare is maybe €5, but the charges can be €40!!!!! How can this be possible? Do the government want more tax if you dont book 2 weeks in advance??
Also in relation to the 'if you dont like them, dont fly FR', how do you suggest that I for one get from DUB-LBA?? I dont have a choice!! Yes, just like everyone else I welcome the cheap FR prices, but how long will the travelling public out up with the stealth taxes and the ever increasing prices? You cant book anywhere but online, but to use your credit card costs €8.
If I book a flight 2 weeks in advance, i generally get the flight for 1 cent and the taxes are 9.99 HOWEVER if i book the flight less than 2 weeks, the fare is maybe €5, but the charges can be €40!!!!! How can this be possible? Do the government want more tax if you dont book 2 weeks in advance??
Also in relation to the 'if you dont like them, dont fly FR', how do you suggest that I for one get from DUB-LBA?? I dont have a choice!! Yes, just like everyone else I welcome the cheap FR prices, but how long will the travelling public out up with the stealth taxes and the ever increasing prices? You cant book anywhere but online, but to use your credit card costs €8.
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Hi Airborne,
The answer lies within your own question. The phrase is 'Taxes AND CHARGES'.
"Charges" is airline marketing yukspeak for all other elements which make up what we used to call the "Fare". It is a pity that consumer protection bodies have so far failed miserably to stamp out the shameful practice of dressing up various essential costs of providing travel as something other than constituents of the fare. The impression is wilfully given that the amount you pay represents the sum of impositions by government agencies and service providers alone, rather than a tariff set at the discretion of the airline company itself. These "charges" encompass costs which are an integral part of providing the service; ie. they are constituents which make up the real "FARE".
The only true fare is the final all inclusive sum which leaves your wallet when your booking is complete. Any other description is shameless marketing claptrap. Don't be fooled. That's why "taxes and charges" vary wildly on what appear to be similar products.
Note that my post lies within the Ryanair thread because that is where your question is posed. But I do not single out Ryanair alone for this criticism: they are one offender amongst many. Government charges, fuel costs, airport user charges, handling fees, ATC charges, staff wages etc are all unavoidable components which make up the final FARE which you pay; they are not optional extras. The final sum which you pay is the only true FARE (and I'll bet that isn't 1p/1c); all other labels are spin and deception. Sadly, many gullible folks love to brag to their friends that they got a flight for 1p (implication: "so aren't I clever?") when they actually paid £40; airline marketing types recognise this common character flaw and exploit it ruthlessly.
The sooner airlines are forced to quote the final price as the true "fare" the better. And I include within this airlines such as BA with their "fuel surcharge"; fuel is always a key component of the fare. When fuel prices rise, operators should increase the headline fare to reflect that. Instead, some quote an unchanged "fare" and pretend that the "fuel surcharge" should be other than an integral constituent of that "fare". This should be stopped at once. Increase the price to recoup higher costs, by all means; exclude that increase from the headline "fare" quote, no way.
The sad fact is that some of the airlines which offer the best final price are the worst offenders in concealing the true figure until the booking nears completion (Hey, Ryanair!). Why not just say "Our fare is £55 all-in return to the continent! That's a great price - beat it if you can." Who could argue with that? The airline should be proud of this! And wouldn't everybody be better served? But oh no - I'm dreaming - surely we're all better off being told this fare is 1 cent plus taxes and charges!
Let's hope this is all sorted out one day!
All the best. SHED.
The answer lies within your own question. The phrase is 'Taxes AND CHARGES'.
"Charges" is airline marketing yukspeak for all other elements which make up what we used to call the "Fare". It is a pity that consumer protection bodies have so far failed miserably to stamp out the shameful practice of dressing up various essential costs of providing travel as something other than constituents of the fare. The impression is wilfully given that the amount you pay represents the sum of impositions by government agencies and service providers alone, rather than a tariff set at the discretion of the airline company itself. These "charges" encompass costs which are an integral part of providing the service; ie. they are constituents which make up the real "FARE".
The only true fare is the final all inclusive sum which leaves your wallet when your booking is complete. Any other description is shameless marketing claptrap. Don't be fooled. That's why "taxes and charges" vary wildly on what appear to be similar products.
Note that my post lies within the Ryanair thread because that is where your question is posed. But I do not single out Ryanair alone for this criticism: they are one offender amongst many. Government charges, fuel costs, airport user charges, handling fees, ATC charges, staff wages etc are all unavoidable components which make up the final FARE which you pay; they are not optional extras. The final sum which you pay is the only true FARE (and I'll bet that isn't 1p/1c); all other labels are spin and deception. Sadly, many gullible folks love to brag to their friends that they got a flight for 1p (implication: "so aren't I clever?") when they actually paid £40; airline marketing types recognise this common character flaw and exploit it ruthlessly.
The sooner airlines are forced to quote the final price as the true "fare" the better. And I include within this airlines such as BA with their "fuel surcharge"; fuel is always a key component of the fare. When fuel prices rise, operators should increase the headline fare to reflect that. Instead, some quote an unchanged "fare" and pretend that the "fuel surcharge" should be other than an integral constituent of that "fare". This should be stopped at once. Increase the price to recoup higher costs, by all means; exclude that increase from the headline "fare" quote, no way.
The sad fact is that some of the airlines which offer the best final price are the worst offenders in concealing the true figure until the booking nears completion (Hey, Ryanair!). Why not just say "Our fare is £55 all-in return to the continent! That's a great price - beat it if you can." Who could argue with that? The airline should be proud of this! And wouldn't everybody be better served? But oh no - I'm dreaming - surely we're all better off being told this fare is 1 cent plus taxes and charges!
Let's hope this is all sorted out one day!
All the best. SHED.
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Irish Based Pilots - DUB - KIR
Hi All,
Just wondering has anyone heard the result of the tender by FR for the DUB-KIR route which was up for renewal about this time???
I can just see FR's ad's with King Puck, a 737 and a bunch of Knights of the Road (travellers) OMG !!!!
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T.M.
Just wondering has anyone heard the result of the tender by FR for the DUB-KIR route which was up for renewal about this time???
I can just see FR's ad's with King Puck, a 737 and a bunch of Knights of the Road (travellers) OMG !!!!
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T.M.
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'Fuel Surcharge'
I dont mind paying for fuel- I just think its a bit rich of a company to make such a big fuss about not introducing surcharges and then doing to through backdoor taxes, charges and baggage fees.
AIRBOURNE-
The reason that taxes increase nearer to the time of the flight is because the advertised fares are promotional- part of the terms and conditions is that they must be booked at least two weeks in advance, otherwise you pay 'normal' fare.
AIRBOURNE-
The reason that taxes increase nearer to the time of the flight is because the advertised fares are promotional- part of the terms and conditions is that they must be booked at least two weeks in advance, otherwise you pay 'normal' fare.
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how do you suggest that I for one get from DUB-LBA?? I dont have a choice!! Fly EI DUB-MAN and get the 1h 20m train to LBA (or wherever you're headed).
did you know you can get a train ticket all the way from Dublin to Leeds via Holyhead
From £52.00 return
However the shortest Journey is about 7 1/2 hours.
Big T
did you know you can get a train ticket all the way from Dublin to Leeds via Holyhead
From £52.00 return
However the shortest Journey is about 7 1/2 hours.
Big T
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JulietNovemberPapa - The questions was asked how airbourne gets from LBA not MAN. Like LBA, NCL had an excellent Dublin service when air lingus operated the route Ryanair forced them off the route and the level of customer service dived for anyone on the route. Thankfully unlike the rest of the UK Ryanair don't seem to want to fly from NCL to many destinations so on a whole we are served by relatively good airlines Easyjet, flybe and Jet2 etc. Long may this continue.
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JulietNovemberPapa - The questions was asked how airbourne gets from LBA not MAN.
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I must say I do feel sorry for those travelling with family/friends with disabilities as FR do not help at all with their problems both in the airport and on the ground.
As I say I do thank all those PAX paying for the check-in etc. as it does keep my fares cheaper than other airlines BUT I must stress that I totally do not agree with FR charging for goods that are a necessity.
As I say I do thank all those PAX paying for the check-in etc. as it does keep my fares cheaper than other airlines BUT I must stress that I totally do not agree with FR charging for goods that are a necessity.
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You can carry it! Just in the cabin and no more than 10KG. It's not fair to single Ryanair out on this one, FlyBE introduced it! Followed by Aer Lingus, Ryanair, EasyJet, Jet2, FlyGlobespan, Bmibaby.......the list is ever growing. And as far as I'm aware FlyBE are to start charging for not using their self check-in kiosks in the near future.
Yes, Ryanair's charges are higher, but their average fare is lower. And I'm not talking about the 1p flights, I mean the average they put out in their annual reports. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was a couple of pounds less than EZY's?
Yes, Ryanair's charges are higher, but their average fare is lower. And I'm not talking about the 1p flights, I mean the average they put out in their annual reports. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was a couple of pounds less than EZY's?
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i agree with the last comment it is unfair to single FR out on this on. All low cost airlines theses day are charging for check in however if you use FRs web check in its cheaper than if u have to check in and have hold luggage. your allowed 10g so why not do web check in and make it cheaper.
Also FR flights are always a lot cheaper than easyjets babys. so they have to make money somewhere.
Also FR flights are always a lot cheaper than easyjets babys. so they have to make money somewhere.
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"Also FR flights are always a lot cheaper than easyjets babys. so they have to make money somewhere."
Not the case - Anyone with any sense shops around and tailors their flights to their own tastes/convenience/pocket.
How come it was cheaper for me to fly to Belfast from LPL in July with EZ and return with FR? (No bags, web check-in, no easyboarding - just bare bones flights & taxes/'charges'). FR are not a lot cheaper than their competition and in some cases are more expensive.
You've been listening too much to the crap from MOL and his team!
Not the case - Anyone with any sense shops around and tailors their flights to their own tastes/convenience/pocket.
How come it was cheaper for me to fly to Belfast from LPL in July with EZ and return with FR? (No bags, web check-in, no easyboarding - just bare bones flights & taxes/'charges'). FR are not a lot cheaper than their competition and in some cases are more expensive.
You've been listening too much to the crap from MOL and his team!
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How come it was cheaper for me to fly to Belfast from LPL in July with EZ and return with FR? (No bags, web check-in, no easyboarding - just bare bones flights & taxes/'charges'). FR are not a lot cheaper than their competition and in some cases are more expensive.
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I flew Liverpool to Belfast last week with Ryanair for £16.40 return, the Easyjet price was £53! So it depends when you look and book etc. I travel on this route regularly and Ryanair are cheaper 9 times out of 10
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I have to drive for an hour from LBA to get to Sherburn. Thats my destination! So LBA is the only choice. Summer schedule now and the return flight to DUB is at 2215, however due to atc restrictions, it never takes off before 2245. Why dont they just say that? Its not a once off, the last 4 weeks, its always been delayed.