Ryanair - 6
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,069
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The main reason for the STN-BLK closure was because of the timings. The aircraft was due to land in STN at 9.10, which is completely unacceptable for business passengers.
If the aircraft was BLK based (which it obviously wouldn't be), then the aircraft would be able to operate early morning into STN helping business travellors get into London intime for a 9 o'clock start and it would also help increase the STN-BLK morning loads with a more attractive departure time from the capital, especially during the summer when Blackpool Pleasure beach is in it's prime.
Been discussed many times before, an aircraft could have been based at BLK successfully:
BLK-STN 06:50-07:45
STN-BLK 08:10-09:05
BLK-GRO 09:30-12:40
GRO-BLK 13:05-14:15
BLK-DUB 14:40-15:30
DUB-BLK 15:55-16:45
*** DOWNTIME *** (They do in GRO!)
BLK-STN 17:45-18:40
STN-BLK 19:05-19:55
It would have been possible, but not seen by FR and probably not economical as all of the other airports are bases, but, instead of leaving an aircraft on the ground in STN this winter, why don't they give it a try?!
Would be very surprised to see a MAN or LPL route.
MAN have tried STN with AB and it hasn't worked, mainly due to the times, FR's wouldn't be much better.
LPL is apparently in talks with BA and 'other airlines' so maybe Ryanair, but I suppose a BA route would be more successful if to LHR, not so sure about LGW.
Also, STN are currently cutting routes - not starting them!
If the aircraft was BLK based (which it obviously wouldn't be), then the aircraft would be able to operate early morning into STN helping business travellors get into London intime for a 9 o'clock start and it would also help increase the STN-BLK morning loads with a more attractive departure time from the capital, especially during the summer when Blackpool Pleasure beach is in it's prime.
Been discussed many times before, an aircraft could have been based at BLK successfully:
BLK-STN 06:50-07:45
STN-BLK 08:10-09:05
BLK-GRO 09:30-12:40
GRO-BLK 13:05-14:15
BLK-DUB 14:40-15:30
DUB-BLK 15:55-16:45
*** DOWNTIME *** (They do in GRO!)
BLK-STN 17:45-18:40
STN-BLK 19:05-19:55
It would have been possible, but not seen by FR and probably not economical as all of the other airports are bases, but, instead of leaving an aircraft on the ground in STN this winter, why don't they give it a try?!
Would be very surprised to see a MAN or LPL route.
MAN have tried STN with AB and it hasn't worked, mainly due to the times, FR's wouldn't be much better.
LPL is apparently in talks with BA and 'other airlines' so maybe Ryanair, but I suppose a BA route would be more successful if to LHR, not so sure about LGW.
Also, STN are currently cutting routes - not starting them!
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 749
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The only real problem with that timetable layout is that the aircraft is sitting around on the ground from about 8pm, thats not good for Ryanair, Thats why this alternitive might just work around that problem
BLK - STN 07:00 - 07:55
STN - BLK 08:25 - 09:20
BLK - GRO 09:45 - 13:00
GRO - BLK 13:25 - 14:50
BLK - DUB 16:10 - 16:55
DUB - BLK 17:25 - 18:15
BLK - STN 18:40 - 19:35
STN - BLK 20:05 - 21:05
As some people might agree this timetable is better, Yes there is a 1hr 20min crew change period, however Ryanair have these times of crew changing periods through out there base areas.
And also the aircraft gets onto the ground at 21:05 insted of 19:55, quite a big money making difference. Have Ryanair ever considered Shannon From Blackpool?
BLK - STN 07:00 - 07:55
STN - BLK 08:25 - 09:20
BLK - GRO 09:45 - 13:00
GRO - BLK 13:25 - 14:50
BLK - DUB 16:10 - 16:55
DUB - BLK 17:25 - 18:15
BLK - STN 18:40 - 19:35
STN - BLK 20:05 - 21:05
As some people might agree this timetable is better, Yes there is a 1hr 20min crew change period, however Ryanair have these times of crew changing periods through out there base areas.
And also the aircraft gets onto the ground at 21:05 insted of 19:55, quite a big money making difference. Have Ryanair ever considered Shannon From Blackpool?
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by OliWW
And also the aircraft gets onto the ground at 21:05 insted of 19:55, quite a big money making difference.
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 44
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What about a double daily to DUB?
If it were to do the following it might work a bit better
BLK/STN
STN/BLK
BLK/DUB
DUB/BLK
BLK/GRO
GRO/BLK
BLK/STN
STN/BLK
BLK/DUB
DUB/BLK
Again not the greatest timing for DUB but it would allow a day trip with the first flight arriving into dub around 1020ish
Not sure how double daily would work from BLK (remember LS to BFS?) and it may just draw pax from the LPL & MAN services
If it were to do the following it might work a bit better
BLK/STN
STN/BLK
BLK/DUB
DUB/BLK
BLK/GRO
GRO/BLK
BLK/STN
STN/BLK
BLK/DUB
DUB/BLK
Again not the greatest timing for DUB but it would allow a day trip with the first flight arriving into dub around 1020ish
Not sure how double daily would work from BLK (remember LS to BFS?) and it may just draw pax from the LPL & MAN services
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cork, Ireland
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Isn't all this talk of a FR base irrelevant since they've already axed STN-BLK. The route just did not have enough traffic to support a twice daily 738 service. They were practically giving away the seats yet rarely had a load factor more than about 50%. There has been a general downturn in the market for domestic flights in the UK, domestic England ones especially as people try to avoid huge airport queues and restrictions on luggage. Changing the times might have improved passenger numbers in the short term but in the long term there would probably be a further downward trend.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think the last statement that the route did not have enough demand is wrong. The route carried 130k passengers per year despite possibly the worst timings on a regional service to London.
Everyone admits the schedule was wrong and that was the downfall. The service suffered terribly due to the early morning departure from STN. With all the respect in the world, no one wants to catch a flight at 0650 from STN to BLK - and this was reflected not only in the load on that sector but also the yield. If you remove this sector from the scenario then the route performed reasonably well.
You must remember there is no direct train from the Fylde Coast to London, despite a market of around 350k people on the Fylde alone. Add to this, the cost of a train for a business trip to London and the market is strong for BLK, stronger than LPL or MAN as the FYlde is an hour further away from London.
It was accepted by everyone I spoke to that different times on the route would have made a big difference, an arrival into BLK at 0750 is not attractive, the resort does not open until 1000ish, whereas an arrival a little after nine works for the tourists and the north bound business traveller.
It is a huge shame this route was lost for BLK, and I think there is a real opportunity to replace it.
To say there is no market is wrong, if you can get 130k people a year onto a service that doesn't really work for any market sector, just imaging how many you can get onto one that does.
Everyone admits the schedule was wrong and that was the downfall. The service suffered terribly due to the early morning departure from STN. With all the respect in the world, no one wants to catch a flight at 0650 from STN to BLK - and this was reflected not only in the load on that sector but also the yield. If you remove this sector from the scenario then the route performed reasonably well.
You must remember there is no direct train from the Fylde Coast to London, despite a market of around 350k people on the Fylde alone. Add to this, the cost of a train for a business trip to London and the market is strong for BLK, stronger than LPL or MAN as the FYlde is an hour further away from London.
It was accepted by everyone I spoke to that different times on the route would have made a big difference, an arrival into BLK at 0750 is not attractive, the resort does not open until 1000ish, whereas an arrival a little after nine works for the tourists and the north bound business traveller.
It is a huge shame this route was lost for BLK, and I think there is a real opportunity to replace it.
To say there is no market is wrong, if you can get 130k people a year onto a service that doesn't really work for any market sector, just imaging how many you can get onto one that does.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cotswolds, Glos.
Age: 41
Posts: 319
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"Ryanair are to operate 1*per week flight to Friedrichshafen from Liverpool."
And they've also announced two other new Saturday-only routes: NYO-GNB and BOH-BGY. It's a part of offering even more ski-orientated routes, both from Britain and continental Europe; indeed, Ryanair now promotes itself as the "UK's No.1 Ski Airline."
And they've also announced two other new Saturday-only routes: NYO-GNB and BOH-BGY. It's a part of offering even more ski-orientated routes, both from Britain and continental Europe; indeed, Ryanair now promotes itself as the "UK's No.1 Ski Airline."
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cork, Ireland
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Have Ryanair ever considered Shannon From Blackpool?
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Blackpool has been considered from Shannon, and is on list of possibilities.
Its possible, but they would probably prefer to send the aircraft to somewhere that would make more money. It would be easily supported however
Its possible, but they would probably prefer to send the aircraft to somewhere that would make more money. It would be easily supported however
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: scotland
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
EDI base
I would certainly welcome a new FR base at EDI.
Considering BAA's charges,does this mean a particular agreement has been made between BAA and FR?
Because I'd consider difficult FR opening a base with standard rate charges.
Considering BAA's charges,does this mean a particular agreement has been made between BAA and FR?
Because I'd consider difficult FR opening a base with standard rate charges.
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: scotland
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why should an EDI base be a threat to PIK's base?
It would be an addition,not a replacement.
These airports have different catchment areas,and other airlines have flights from both cities (Easyjet for example).
It would be an addition,not a replacement.
These airports have different catchment areas,and other airlines have flights from both cities (Easyjet for example).
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Irvine
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think that if Ryanair did open a base in Edinburgh then it surely would have at least some effect on Prestwick. There are quite a number of passengers who use Prestwick that come from Edinburgh and the central belt. Prestwick Airport, I'm sorry to say, really has gone downhill lately. Overcrowded departure lounge, litter left from the night before, a cafe that looks like it was decorated by Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen and very expensive too!
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PRESTWICK
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think the point is being missed here FRs deal with Prestwick is up next year and if they dont get what they want theyll be off,and the airport needs new owners quick in my humble opinion