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If the airport was sold to the operator then the money would probably have to be borrowed and interest paid to the bank. Paying only say £3,000,000 a year probably works out at the cheaper option.
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The concession was let in 1998 and must have been a good deal for the operator cos ACDL spent £500m on buying TBI...
When ACDL bought TBI, the same failures appear to have been repeated.
If you buy a second-hand car, then at the very least you should get it checked over by the AA or RAC to make sure it isn't clapped out or seriously faulty...
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So the Town Hall got a good deal then? Isn't that their job to maximize income on their asset for the benefit of its rate payers? Governments seem to get rid of assets at knock down prices while the private sector makes vast profits out of the tax payer being short changed.
As the airport now handles 10 million passengers per year I am sure they would say that their decision to rent out the airport was a good one as the airport is doing very well.
As the airport now handles 10 million passengers per year I am sure they would say that their decision to rent out the airport was a good one as the airport is doing very well.
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CAP 493 - you are right.
The Delaps were considered by TBI as there is a schedule of maintenance provisons which dictate what needs to be spent and when and is part of the concession contract. TBI plc were aware of these, I can assure you. There were no surprises for TBI but there may well have been for ACDL.
If you are not an expert buyer then you do need advice - which I understand ACDL obtained from AENA oh and er TBI - caveat emptor!
In financial terms it probably is still is a good deal for the operator provided they don't spend any development capex and can continue to squeeze traffic through the existing infrastructure.
The Delaps were considered by TBI as there is a schedule of maintenance provisons which dictate what needs to be spent and when and is part of the concession contract. TBI plc were aware of these, I can assure you. There were no surprises for TBI but there may well have been for ACDL.
If you are not an expert buyer then you do need advice - which I understand ACDL obtained from AENA oh and er TBI - caveat emptor!
In financial terms it probably is still is a good deal for the operator provided they don't spend any development capex and can continue to squeeze traffic through the existing infrastructure.
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I am sure they would say that their decision to rent out the airport was a good one...
BTW, looks like Premjet's MD-83 initial routes from LTN will be: Faro, Malaga, Palma, Salzburg & Tenerife South. No 2008 start dates yet. If it's successful, the annual pax figure could top 10.5M = more unearned income for LBC to waste...
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more unearned income for LBC to waste...
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BTW, looks like Premjet's MD-83 initial routes from LTN will be: Faro, Malaga, Palma, Salzburg & Tenerife South. No 2008 start dates yet
Website now says flights to start early 2009, so nothing in 2008.
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Looks that way. Twice daily from 3 May. Timings suit inbound London traffic, making full day trips possible, but with outbound afternoon and late evening departures ex LTN, timings not so good to PRG.
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John Davis, of the campaign group Luton and District Association for the Control of Aircraft Noise (LADACAN), says that the main problem is pilots are not obliged to follow the guidelines.
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I wonder what the local tree huggers will make of the new airspace and route proposals that will affect Luton from Spring 2009?
http://www.consultation.nats.co.uk/
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/lut-news...eir.3800372.jp
http://www.consultation.nats.co.uk/
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/lut-news...eir.3800372.jp
I have just looked at the consultation site, it appears not to show any Luton departure routes.
Perhaps they are keeping that bit secret. Either that, or they are going to solve the BPK problem by not having any departures!
Perhaps they are keeping that bit secret. Either that, or they are going to solve the BPK problem by not having any departures!
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And if you go to http://www.consultation.nats.co.uk/m...fects_you.html, and enter your postcode at the bottom of the page, you can get an individually tailored display of all the current and proposed flightpaths that affect you.
Neat!
Neat!
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I can assure you that there are departure routes, some of which appear to take a west of London de-tour to Dover!
Brookmans Park becomes a rather tranquil place to live, whilst somewhere up the A1 is the new Luton hold.
Brookmans Park becomes a rather tranquil place to live, whilst somewhere up the A1 is the new Luton hold.
When you put a LU2 Post Code in, it allows you to select the Luton departure routes.
When I put my Post Code in it does not give you the option of seeing departures. Perhaps its because I live underneath the Eastbound routes!
When I put my Post Code in it does not give you the option of seeing departures. Perhaps its because I live underneath the Eastbound routes!
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I'm not sure where you mean, but the westerly departures to the east and south east will now turn right and wrap right round the north of Luton instead of simply turning left.
I suspect that you will lose these flights from your own personal 'radar'.
I suspect that you will lose these flights from your own personal 'radar'.
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I think that Mr Bust is pretty close to the proposed east and south easterly routes if he lives north of Luton. I wonder why he is unable to select the routes 
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Not all flights will be fortunate to get the new routes, a more scenic departure is on offer to those
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!Not all flights will be fortunate to get the new routes, a more scenic departure is on offer to those
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