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Old 5th Nov 2011, 23:24
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How about keeping all public cars away from the terminal, just taxis and buses and sacrificing one of the carparks to a drop off area with continuous shuttle buses ?
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 03:47
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As can be seen the interchange terminal would have straddled the railway line with cars entering from what is now the new Express Newspaper printers next to the Vauxhall dealership














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Old 6th Nov 2011, 06:07
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Many thanks Vintage ATCO and LTNman for your postings.
I wonder just how ambitious their plans will be this time,guess time will tell.
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 06:28
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As I have said many moons ago, Luton has been a building site even since the 80's and will continue to be one until they knock it down and build something new. Add ons here and there sound good at the time but don't last long, so they add on more and more until such time the whole airport becomes a mess.

As much as people in this thread knock Stansted, at least they had the sense to leave the old airport alone whilst they built the new one. Granted, they had more space at Stansted and maybe there lay the problem for Luton.

It just doesn't have the space to be developed into anything major.
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 07:34
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It just doesn't have the space to be developed into anything major.
Not true

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Old 6th Nov 2011, 07:57
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I wonder just how ambitious their plans will be this time,guess time will tell
We all need to look not just at the airport but the bigger picture.

Council announces that it is now looking to expand the airport up to 30 million in 2 phases.

Government paying 20 million towards the cost of upgrading junction 10A

Airport paying 4 million? for the duelling of the approach road and upgrading the central area.

First Capital Connect introducing 12 carriage trains from next month on the Thameslink line.

6 billion being spent on upgrading the Thameslink line through London.

The thameslink upgrade programme will bring real benefits to Luton passengers.

This is what the Government says:

It is unique, running through central London and linking major transport hubs including Luton and Gatwick Airports, St Pancras International and London Bridge station.

The Thameslink Programme will dramatically increase the number of people who can use the railway, providing benefits such as:
Increasing trains in each direction through central London by up to 300% (peaking at up to 24 per hour)
Longer trains (12 coaches). An increase from a maximum of 8 at present.
Removing bottlenecks that delay trains, the worst at London Bridge station
Direct access to more destinations
Reduced crowding on the London Underground
A new landmark station at Blackfriars in time for 2012
An extended station at Farringdon, with new entrances and a smooth interchange to Tube and future Crossrail trains serving places like Heathrow and the City
A new fleet of trains and signalling and power systems to support them
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 11:39
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if they have all that land, it begs the question as to why Luton Airport is still a building site after all these years.

I know it's all about "who pays for it" but come on, the airport is a joke and anyone coming to the Olympics next year via Luton will not be impressed at their first sight of the UK !
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 13:15
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I thought most airports looked like building sites, some worse than others admittedly.

The problem is the airport and the council don't own the land. I seem to recall (early/mid 90s) that the land to the south of the existing runway was owned by Luton Hoo and one other large estate (name escapes me now). I am sure they would be willing to sell, at a price . . . . .
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 15:59
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One problem is that the land south of the airport is outside Luton Borough Council's boundary, and I think falls into North Herts, who are vehemently opposed to the airport, as they don't get their grubby mitts (directly) on any of the money it generates.

The reason the plans posted by LTNman did not come to fruition was the lack of interest by LBC in the development, as they would not retain the freehold of the whole site, and thus, presumably, their 'share' of its revenues. More municipal greed
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 16:21
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The County boundary runs east of the eastern end of the runway and then just east of the road that runs from Dane Street to Chiltern Green so immediately south of the runway it is (presumably) South Beds. However inevitably some Herts land would be involved.

I don't know about now but certainly when we ran consultation tours in the 90s with all local authorities in the area there was not a universal anti-airport feeling from Herts (or others for that matter). They knew very well that many of their residents worked at the airport and at that time, with the closure of Hatfield and other big employers, were interested in the jobs an expanding airport would create, and not just at the airport. Of course, some were against any expansion at the airport at any price but at least most came and talked to us.
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Old 7th Nov 2011, 12:55
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London 2012

The Olympic torch will be in Luton on 8-9 July.......sure airport will full some publicity from this?
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Old 7th Nov 2011, 16:43
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why Luton Airport is still a building site after all these years.
No building work taking place now or even recently.
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Old 7th Nov 2011, 17:10
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A lovely diagram , but in these harsh times who is going to fund all the expansion ?

BHX and MAN also have ongoing expansion,and the former a runway extension starting next year.

However the difference is at least they both have a fair number of full fare airlines paying there way.

LTN/STN being mostly low cost just don't get much fees,certainly Easy or Ryan Air don't want to pay anything for the privilege of going into airports.

Perhaps all the biz jets bring big funding in I don't know ?

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Old 7th Nov 2011, 17:55
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Nigel,

Money would not be an issue as long as any planning application was approved and the current airport operator goes past the next contract break point.
BTW, Are not MAN & BHX (and the Essex airport) still in negative annual passanger numbers wheras LTN is very much in positive!

I admit a full fair airline, as you put it, would be better but havn't RYR and EZY expanded at MAN & BHX as well, no doubt at lower rates?

As for the Biz traffic, remember Signature & Ocean Sky lease stands and Harrods quite often have to use Cargo stands. It's all revenue! Look at Farnborough who TAG invested 100M and continue to do so, I'm sure they are returning their investment.
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Old 7th Nov 2011, 18:45
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BHX/MAN/LTN

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Manchester has seen Ryanair and easyjet growing but they have also a pretty decent increase in respect of full service airlines as well.

BHX's Ryanair base is very much static, Baby is also static on last year but well down on two years ago. It is the full service airlines that have kept their frequencies (still static though) but have increased their aircraft size so most the business routes have been up for a while now with one or two exceptions.

BHX is a down 0.3% on rolling year to Sept and Manchester is up 5.3% per the CAA stats both below Luton's 8%. MAN is flying at present but it will be April before BHX see significant growth when Monarch add two and baby (fingers crossed) extra aircraft. BHX in the summer months were down to 2003 figures and Manchester the same but that should all change in 2012.

Luton's passengers figures I have say have been beyond impressive over the last 12 months and have put many similar sized airports in the shade bar EDI.

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Old 7th Nov 2011, 20:10
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Think you can thank the Eastern Europeans for most of that growth. Luton has been for years the UKs number one airport for Biz jets, now it could probably claim to be the UKs number one airport for the Eastern Block.
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Old 7th Nov 2011, 20:56
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Thanks OltonPete, I always respect your stats.

LTN will see a significant uplift in the Summer of 2012, not just from the Olympics.

If a curtain semi-based East European airline has it way, then more is coming, further eastwards and south by they way of new routes.

Remember, another 8% rise will push LTN through the magic 10M again :-)
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 11:48
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Nah, Luton Airport!

I'm sure the airport will get some free publicity via C4 with Lorraine Chase arriving in Oz for I'm a Celeb... Get Me Out of Here!
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 18:30
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Exciting new route to a capital city being announced tomorrow (9th Nov) by EZY...
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 18:37
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Rome perhaps.....
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