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Old 9th Aug 2010, 21:33
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ThomsonFly Fleet @ LTN This Summer...

Only me again!

Just curious to know what aircraft type and number are ThomsonFly basing at LTN this summer?

Is it the usual 3x 757 with the occassional 767 doing a W route to the likes of Palma?

Also is Monarch using any of their A300's out if LTN this summer?
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 21:40
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I know TOM have a B737 but how many I'm not sure.

I think its mainly A320 and A321 for MON
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 22:55
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Thomson Airways have 2 x 738 aircraft and a 757 aircraft based at LTN. I believe there is the odd W into LTN, route but no flights on a 767.
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 11:51
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There is one MON A300 a week, on a Saturday to Palma.
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 12:25
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A "W" is what's known as a W-pattern routing, ie, the aircraft flies a route starting and finishing at another base.

Eg, aircraft based at Gatwick flies to Palma, then to Luton (the middle of the "W"), then back to Palma, and finally back to home base at Gatwick.

That way flights from 2 UK airfields to a common destination are accomplished in the same day using 1 aircraft (and most likely 1 crew on this type of routing).
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 12:29
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Yahoo

A "W" relates to a flight being operated by a non based plane.

ie The ZB871 flight from Luton to Palma on a Saturday is made by a Gatwick based a/c.
The A300 operates LGW-PALMA-LTN-PALMA-LGW.

Hope it makes sense!

Sorry Wycombe both answered at the same time!!!
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 13:33
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I thought the flight had been altered to coming from Manchester via PMI for the last 2 years
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 16:31
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It does come from Manchester
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 19:12
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Grrr

Ryanair have a lot of new planes to find homes for and are always threatening to pull out of airports. No reason to think that those tactics have not been played at Luton in recent time. We will base more, but you have to subsidies us, if not we will pull the entire fleet.

No doubt the amount of money an airport actually makes from a Ryanair operation is somewhat less than other incumbent airlines?

For an airport to be profitable, does not necessarily mean that you need millions of passengers, it all depends on subsidies and how much the passengers spend in the tinminal etc.

I am sure that the airport would welcome easyJet adding to their based fleet, rather than more Ryanair airframes?

Mind you, the airport seems to be under a 'care & maintenance' programme in preparation for being handed back to LBC, no other noticeable infrastructure upgrades seem imminent.
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 21:43
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When you think of it - isnt it wierd that we call them W patterns?



LTN PMI LTN should be an I pattern, surely, and LTN PMI BHX PMI LTN should be a V pattern

Ha ha - I am just be pedantic, but when you look at the pattern a W makes, it is more like LTN PMI BHX IBZ LGW

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Old 10th Aug 2010, 22:06
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LTN PMI LTN should be an I pattern, surely, and LTN PMI BHX PMI LTN should be a V pattern

Ha ha - I am just be pedantic, but when you look at the pattern a W makes, it is more like LTN PMI BHX IBZ LGW
Yes you're being pedantic. It's called a W pattern mainly for the reason it has five points within it like a W. A route (1)LTN - (2)PMI - (3)LTN could be know as a straight forward V pattern as there are just three points within the route. Obviously a W pattern has five points within it e.g. (1)LTN-(2)PMI-(3)LGW-(4)PMI-(5)LTN.
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 13:34
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Fenman and Blue A330

Sorry for the duff info.
Hadnt realised the Saturday Palma now is a W from Manchester.

Used it a few years ago when it was from Gatwick.
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Old 15th Aug 2010, 09:12
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Ryanair At Luton Etc

Hi Buster
You are absolutely right, Ryanair I understand would base more aircraft at Luton but the airport - quite rightly in my humble opinion - say you must pay the going rate. I have it on good authority that Ryanair passengers spend the least at Luton and probably most other airports so not much chance of making up the lost revenue of landing fees, etc.
Glad to see Monarch upping there winter schedules from Luton with Alicante returning for the winter especially as easy do not seem to be operating there from Luton this winter, also Gibraltar up to six times weekly. I have used the Gib service a number of times and it seems to me it is well patronised with passenger numbers well up on last year.
Just returned from a trip to the old country - by car - very enjoyable (the car journey that is) - had a lovely meal at Limoges airport on a terrace overlooking the ramp - and yes there was aircraft movements - but for those moaning about security etc. at UK airports took the ferry from Portsmouth to Cherbourg (a rip off I might add) the security was incredible - open the car bonnet etc. so please do not think that airport security takes the brunt in the UK. By the way drove straight on the ferry at Calais after UK passport check - what a difference!
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Old 16th Aug 2010, 17:03
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BAA airports strike; don't know if Luton is spinning good PR but almost every report about the proposed strike at BAA airports shows Luton as being a place to send re-scheduled flights, Ok Manchester and Prestwick as well (Birmingham strangely not so...)
We all know overnight stop overs are a big no no but how much flex could Luton handle during 8AM to 10PM, quite a bit I feel, even if it was repositioning of a proportion of EZY/RYR programs?

If it does go ahead then the VVIP traffic must be worried as runway slots must come into force.

LCY operators will be seeing this as a goldmine, I know LGW will help as much as it can.

Could even take me back to the time I was in short trousers and LHR was fogged out and Sabena/Swissair/Lufthansa/Iberia/Aer Lingus were parks on half stands, wing tip to wing tip. I'm sure a couple of ex ATC controllers working that day can remember the fun???!
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Old 16th Aug 2010, 17:17
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July Pax

Source CAA:

July 935575 -4.4% Rolling year 8743916 -7.7

Still ahead of BHX (8712695) & EDI (8680567) on a rolling year basis.

EDI had more July pax at 961566 and BHX just less at 927780.

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Old 16th Aug 2010, 20:34
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Grrr

I understand that the poor relationship between Luton airport and easyJet has moved on? Now like 'heavy petting'! New management and a somewhat new focus toward thier homeLand?

........as for Ryanair, superbly brilliant at what they do...smoke and mirrors comes to mind!
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 15:05
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Hopefully, easy won't implement another 20% cut in services for S11, as they did this year. Stability, and preferably a bit of growth at LTN, would be great, but don't hold your breath. Some 34% reduction has been seen from them in the last couple of years.

A couple of summer routes from Flybe perhaps ?
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 16:36
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Im expecting some growth as well for EZY, especially if the relationship has thawed somewhat. Luton seems to be somewhat of a testing ground for regional routes, so Im expecting to see something more experimental routes wice when the time comes. Turkey and maybe Tunisia come to mind for next summer.
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 17:49
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LGW will be ahead on Luton for Ryanair routes soon. From November Ryanair will fly 15 routes from LGW. LTN has 19 routes but LGW will get more Ryanair routes by summer 2011.
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 22:04
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Luton might well be well over a million passengers light compared with its peak but the morning traffic queue at 5:30 today extended all the way back to the bridge over the A505.

It is clear to me that the traffic lights in the central area still canít cope with the lighter traffic conditions that the reduced passengers numbers have brought to the airport.
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