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Deedave I am glad the Virginia flights are not happening as I dont belive that it's the right route for MSE,EUjet found some routes that worked shame there owner's went bust 
I was looking thourgh some old airliner worlds and it had a picture of an MNG A300F starting a new route to London Manston And I was wondering where they scared off by Planestation like Ethiopian Airlines Cargo and MK?
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James
I was looking thourgh some old airliner worlds and it had a picture of an MNG A300F starting a new route to London Manston And I was wondering where they scared off by Planestation like Ethiopian Airlines Cargo and MK?Regards
James
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Hi James-
I don't think MK were scared off by Planestation - I think they simply decided not to use MSE when asked to pay a full commercial rate.
As far as the "right routes" (pax) for MSE are concerned, it is difficult to believe there are any.
Despite offering miniscule capacity to exceptionally popular destinations, Kent Escapes have taken out press ads this week to try and flog tickets for the summer schedule at what appear to be promotional prices.
They are also holding a promo day at MSE on Sunday.
The service starts in just over a month.
In their second year of operation, I would have expected such a small number of seats to be sold out by now.
I don't think MK were scared off by Planestation - I think they simply decided not to use MSE when asked to pay a full commercial rate.
As far as the "right routes" (pax) for MSE are concerned, it is difficult to believe there are any.
Despite offering miniscule capacity to exceptionally popular destinations, Kent Escapes have taken out press ads this week to try and flog tickets for the summer schedule at what appear to be promotional prices.
They are also holding a promo day at MSE on Sunday.
The service starts in just over a month.
In their second year of operation, I would have expected such a small number of seats to be sold out by now.
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Bang on the money toptrumps.
Cargolux on site tommorrow prior to operations starting up with a flight a week with the possibility of more for the future..... watch this space, things are starting to happen.
deedave - i'll bet you an easter egg that there is a scheduled passenger operation at mse within 24 months.
Cargolux on site tommorrow prior to operations starting up with a flight a week with the possibility of more for the future..... watch this space, things are starting to happen.
deedave - i'll bet you an easter egg that there is a scheduled passenger operation at mse within 24 months.
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blazing_air -
There may well be a scheduled airline at MSE. There are always rich types wanting to run loss-making vanity operations. Thay might even fill an aircraft if its small enough, infrequent enough, and cheap enough!
Failing this, however, I would like a Cadburys Milk Tray Easter egg (large).
MDIS-
The losses of 100 million were a generally undisputed figure given on the Wiggins/Planestation shareholders bulletin board. The money was a mixture of public grants and private investment. I did not calculate this figure myself, although I may have given it a cursory check a couple of years ago.
A breakdown requires trawling through the company accounts which may still be available somewhere in the vaults of ADVFN. Try going to the board and put in the epic PTG - you may get some joy there.
Happy hunting!
There may well be a scheduled airline at MSE. There are always rich types wanting to run loss-making vanity operations. Thay might even fill an aircraft if its small enough, infrequent enough, and cheap enough!
Failing this, however, I would like a Cadburys Milk Tray Easter egg (large).
MDIS-
The losses of 100 million were a generally undisputed figure given on the Wiggins/Planestation shareholders bulletin board. The money was a mixture of public grants and private investment. I did not calculate this figure myself, although I may have given it a cursory check a couple of years ago.
A breakdown requires trawling through the company accounts which may still be available somewhere in the vaults of ADVFN. Try going to the board and put in the epic PTG - you may get some joy there.
Happy hunting!
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Infratil are concentrating on freight at present. They have not been pushing passenger flights because of the infrastructure, which is now almost up to standard. The expanded cargo apron has been surveyed, but no contract has been let.
The name I keep hearing for passenger flights is easy.
Manston's problem is that it is not a major destination airport, i.e. there is little demand for morning flights to it for a typical twice-daily service. If the morning flight has to come in from elsewhere the return flight is too late for the business market, with a related effect in the evening. It follows that successful business routes must be operated by based aircraft. Difficult.
In addition, the first route will have a high cost base because of the extra handling staff and resources required. Will Infratil run at a loss to build up routes?
The name I keep hearing for passenger flights is easy.
Manston's problem is that it is not a major destination airport, i.e. there is little demand for morning flights to it for a typical twice-daily service. If the morning flight has to come in from elsewhere the return flight is too late for the business market, with a related effect in the evening. It follows that successful business routes must be operated by based aircraft. Difficult.
In addition, the first route will have a high cost base because of the extra handling staff and resources required. Will Infratil run at a loss to build up routes?
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As far as the "right routes" (pax) for MSE are concerned, it is difficult to believe there are any.
Can the Cargo ramp fit two 747 on it when MK and CV are in together?All the best
James
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100 Million Losses
DD
Thanks I will have alook BUT dont forget Wiggins Planestation were involved in a few other "hair brained schemes" which also racked up costs and losses, so it may not all be attributable to MSE.
MDIS
Thanks I will have alook BUT dont forget Wiggins Planestation were involved in a few other "hair brained schemes" which also racked up costs and losses, so it may not all be attributable to MSE.
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No mate, the figure was given by a very brainy bod on ADVFN, and clearly related to MSE only. The figure also included public losses such as EU grants etc. I believe the period starts 1999, but may include some Wiggins stewardship prior to that. It's a while ago, and old gits like me don't have the best memories.......
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Manston-Dublin
Does anyone know how Manston-Dublin performed when EUJet operated the route? Would it be a viable route for Aer Arann? They have 10 new ATR 72 aircraft on order, with the first 2 being delivered this year, so there will probably be several new routes. Surely there would be demand considering that Dublin-London is the busiest route in Europe and the second busiest in the world
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In 10.7 months from Sep 04 to July 05 they carried 43,287 pax, equivalent to 48,546 p.a.
Bear in mind that they destroyed the weekend market by running back from Dublin on Sunday early afternoon.
Bear in mind that they destroyed the weekend market by running back from Dublin on Sunday early afternoon.
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It was one of the top routes with EUjet, I think Aer Arann would be perfect for the job they have the right size aircraft the ATR 42/72 plus Eujet got some ATR to do the DUB routes aswel as AMS and MAN
Does anyone know how well did todays meeting go with CargoLux?
Regrads
James
Does anyone know how well did todays meeting go with CargoLux?Regrads
James
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Eujet were looking at using the ATR42/72 themself on the routes that regularly half filled a Fokker. If they had been able to keep going you would indeed see those aircraft on some of the routes that James hinted at. They are an ideal size for some routes that Manston could serve. To make a go of it you need both a morning and evening flight daily.
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Haven't seen MK in the last week. Have they gone somewhere else?
http://www.ost.aero/engels/frameset_b2b.htm
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Last week there was an MK on MON, TUE, WED,& FRI. On MON and FRI it was a leased Air Atlanta Cargo machine.
MK currently in at this moment.
MK currently in at this moment.
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Haven't seen MK in the last week. Have they gone somewhere else?
) I hear its 100% for Cargolux james